Capitalism is NOT Democratic: Democracy is NOT Capitalist

[struth]

Depending on which version of government and capitalism you are referring to, shifting decision making power from corporate managers and corporate shareholders (not to mention vulture capitalists on Wall Street) to workers, customers, suppliers, neighbors and the broader public would provide society a democratic voice in economic policy decisions.

Economic democracy - Wikipedia

the public makes the decisions…they are the customers. They are the ones rhe determine what they want to buy

 

[dblack]

Depending on which version of government and capitalism you are referring to, shifting decision making power from corporate managers and corporate shareholders (not to mention vulture capitalists on Wall Street) to workers, customers, suppliers, neighbors and the broader public would provide society a democratic voice in economic policy decisions.

Sure man. That's the intent, the goal. But government is the means, and usually the endgame.

And it's a stupid goal to begin with. Society has far more control over the economy via the market, than they would with ubiquitous democracy, where only the interests of the majority prevail.

 

[georgephillip]

Most of the people speaking out against socialism are referring to state socialism. The non-governmental solutions aren't the issue. If you want to create an "employee owned" company or start your own commune, have it it. As long as it's voluntary, as long as you're not using force to compel others to play along, I have no problem with it.

I see the increasing concentration of corporate power in the US as a prime threat to political democracy. Imho, every edition of capitalism yet inflicted on this world has its share of disadvantages, but the current version of neoliberal finance capitalism trumps all others when it comes to enabling the best government money can buy.

Economic democracy - Wikipedia

"While a hundred new billionaires were created since 2001, real weekly earnings for 100 million workers are less in 2007 than in 1980 when Ronald Reagan took office."

 

[bripat9643]

Depending on which version of government and capitalism you are referring to, shifting decision making power from corporate managers and corporate shareholders (not to mention vulture capitalists on Wall Street) to workers, customers, suppliers, neighbors and the broader public would provide society a democratic voice in economic policy decisions.

Economic democracy - Wikipedia

Nothing is stopping workers from forming their own collective enterprises, moron. If that form of management is so superior, then why aren't worker collectives taking over the economy?

 

[bripat9643]

I see the increasing concentration of corporate power in the US as a prime threat to political democracy. Imho, every edition of capitalism yet inflicted on this world has its share of disadvantages, but the current version of neoliberal finance capitalism trumps all others when it comes to enabling the best government money can buy.

Economic democracy - Wikipedia

"While a hundred new billionaires were created since 2001, real weekly earnings for 100 million workers are less in 2007 than in 1980 when Ronald Reagan took office."

by invoking Chomsky you've shown the truth depth of your idiocy.

 

[elektra]

I see the increasing concentration of corporate power in the US as a prime threat to political democracy. Imho, every edition of capitalism yet inflicted on this world has its share of disadvantages, but the current version of neoliberal finance capitalism trumps all others when it comes to enabling the best government money can buy.

says the man that got rich off of capitalism in our Republic, in our great country of liberty
chomsky is an asshole

 

[georgephillip]

We don't need "legal tender". There are other means of currency and trade. And the sooner we remove currency from government control, the better.

Do you see crypto as an improvement?

"Perhaps it’s no surprise that China is likely to become the first major economy with a digital legal tender."

Should cryptocurrency be legal tender? 44% of financial institutions say yes - Ledger Insights - enterprise blockchain

 

[georgephillip]

reedom is slavery?

 

[dblack]

Do you see crypto as an improvement?

Currency that isn't controlled by government is the goal. To the extent that crypto is able to accomplish that, it's definitely an improvement.

"Perhaps it’s no surprise that China is likely to become the first major economy with a digital legal tender"

China just banned crypto, because they can't control it.

 

[bripat9643]

Wrong, asshole. Changing the definition of slavery will not make your idiocies sound any more plausible.

 

[dblack]

[store-bought propaganda]

I don't speak meme.

 

[georgephillip]

Biden is just a plain crook who takes bribes.

Absolutely.
Who provides the bribes to corporate tools like Biden?

Why would anyone vote for Biden or Trump?

President Trump’s legacy of corruption, four years and 3,700 conflicts of interest later - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

 

[bripat9643]

Absolutely.
Who provides the bribes to corporate tools like Biden?

Why would anyone vote for Biden or Trump?

The main reason I voted for Trump is that he's not Biden. The investigations into Trump are all politically motivated. They prove nothing except that Dims are unscrupulous scum.

 

[struth]

Absolutely.
Who provides the bribes to corporate tools like Biden?

Why would anyone vote for Biden or Trump?

President Trump’s legacy of corruption, four years and 3,700 conflicts of interest later - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

the issue is the corrupt politician like xiden taking the money. i can’t get all that worked up over a person knowing they can get what they want because the dembots were dumb enough to put a corrupt person, with a near half century of public corruption in office

trump at least was honest in 2016 and admitted he donated to the dems, like the clintons and chucky…because he got what he wanted from those corrupt leftist

 

[georgephillip]

Government is responsible for those. The idea the capitalism invented slavery or war is absurd. Slavery is as old as civilization. Those are the failures of government and civilization. Only a sleazy douchebag would try to pin them on capitalism which didn't even exist until 200 years ago.

"The bodies of the enslaved served as America’s largest financial asset, and they were forced to maintain America’s most exported commodity. In 60 years, from 1801 to 1862, the amount of cotton picked daily by an enslaved person increased 400 percent.

"The profits from cotton propelled the US into a position as one of the leading economies in the world, and made the South its most prosperous region.

"The ownership of enslaved people increased wealth for Southern planters so much that by the dawn of the Civil War, the Mississippi River Valley had more millionaires per capita than any other region."

How slavery became America’s first big business

 

[bripat9643]

"The bodies of the enslaved served as America’s largest financial asset, and they were forced to maintain America’s most exported commodity. In 60 years, from 1801 to 1862, the amount of cotton picked daily by an enslaved person increased 400 percent.

"The profits from cotton propelled the US into a position as one of the leading economies in the world, and made the South its most prosperous region.

"The ownership of enslaved people increased wealth for Southern planters so much that by the dawn of the Civil War, the Mississippi River Valley had more millionaires per capita than any other region."

How slavery became America’s first big business

How does that prove that capitalism created slavery? Here's a clue for you, moron: it didn't.

 

[Sinajuavi]

Today the USA is neither capitalist or Democratic.....

It is corporatist, and that was enabled by Reagan's demented policies.

I'm using Ron Paul's word, "corporatist", though I'm a progressive Democrat. But Paul was right about that.

 

[Sinajuavi]

"The bodies of the enslaved served as America’s largest financial asset, and they were forced to maintain America’s most exported commodity. In 60 years, from 1801 to 1862, the amount of cotton picked daily by an enslaved person increased 400 percent.

"The profits from cotton propelled the US into a position as one of the leading economies in the world, and made the South its most prosperous region.

"The ownership of enslaved people increased wealth for Southern planters so much that by the dawn of the Civil War, the Mississippi River Valley had more millionaires per capita than any other region."

How slavery became America’s first big business

In Virginia it was tobacco.

Few today realize that the ports of Rhode Island were hubs for slave ships. Ships from RI transported a lot of the slaves who reached the Caribbean. In the 13 colonies, only Charleston SC was a bigger slave port.

 

[Sinajuavi]

How does that prove that capitalism created slavery? Here's a clue for you, moron: it didn't.

Capitalism did not "create" slavery as a thing, long ago in ancient times...

But capitalism definitely was the motive force behind USA's slavery. Without any govt regulation, that is what capitalism is---a slave system.

 

[Sinajuavi]

The US isn't a Democracy, Dumbass.

If you Trumpoid traitors have your way, we'll be living under a dictatorship.