Capitalism is NOT Democratic: Democracy is NOT Capitalist

[Rigby5]

Capitalism is a form of governance where a small minority of all the people control the means of production thereby ensuring they decide how any economic surplus will be distributed.

Economic surplus? LOL!

AKA profits.
And the point is that all production actually comes from the efforts of the workers, but since they do not have the necessary surplus capital to invest in the heavy machinery that production these days requires, those with surplus capital can use that to extort unfair share of the profits from production labor.

 

[Rigby5]

that has got to be the most uneducated and moronic comment I have ever read,,,

It is all in the history books.
All humans were communist/socialists for millions of years, as primitive hunter/gatherers.
It was only about 4000 years ago that in a few places, we started agriculture, had a surplus, caused resources to be considered private, created currency, and started buying and sell the resources people needed in order to survive.

Just look at land prices.
Everyone needs land in order to survive, no one created that land, everyone used to have free use of it, but now an elite minority claim they own it and only rent it to us at a huge profit.

 

[progressive hunter]

It is all in the history books.
All humans were communist/socialists for millions of years, as primitive hunter/gatherers.
It was only about 4000 years ago that in a few places, we started agriculture, had a surplus, caused resources to be considered private, created currency, and started buying and sell the resources people needed in order to survive.

Just look at land prices.
Everyone needs land in order to survive, no one created that land, everyone used to have free use of it, but now an elite minority claim they own it and only rent it to us at a huge profit.

not sure what any of that has to do with your ignorant comment??

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No, Stalin was not even aware of what communism or capitalism was.

So why did he claim he was doing communism?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Obviously capitalism is dangerous.
It relies on and enhances materialism, greed, and all the bad emotions that get people to kill and steal from each other.
However, it also promotes innovation and motivation, so it often wins wars.
So to survive, we need a combination of socialism that allows capitalism, but regulates it enough to prevent abuses like slavery, child labor, etc.
Pure capitalism is pure evil, where if you want something, you just kill whomever has it and take it.
Pure capitalism can never be allowed.

The government in Venezuela is totally right wing, using military force to prevent popular opinions from being implemented, and the wealthy elite getting all the benefits from industry that is supposed to be equitably shared.
That is exactly right wing capitalism.
The only reason why the US does not like it is that it is Venezuelan capitalists getting all the wealth instead of US capitalists.
Capitalists can't even get along with each other.

Obviously capitalism is dangerous.
It relies on and enhances materialism, greed, and all the bad emotions that get people to kill and steal from each other.
However, it also promotes innovation and motivation, so it often wins wars.

Why do you need innovation under capitalism?
Why not just kill opponents and steal, like under communism?

The government in Venezuela is totally right wing, using military force to prevent popular opinions from being implemented, and the wealthy elite getting all the benefits from industry that is supposed to be equitably shared.

Left wing government never uses military force to prevent popular opinions from being implemented, with the wealthy elite getting all the benefits from industry that is supposed to be equitably shared?

Capitalists can't even get along with each other.

Do they have to get along? Why?

 

[Rigby5]

not sure what any of that has to do with your ignorant comment??

The point is that historically communism works better and is ingrained in our evolved instincts.
Its efficiency can't be denied.
Just look at how successful Meerkats are, or any communist primates.

 

[progressive hunter]

The point is that historically communism works better and is ingrained in our evolved instincts.
Its efficiency can't be denied.
Just look at how successful Meerkats are, or any communist primates.

historically communism has failed every single time,,,

my god youre dumber than I thought,,, meerkats and primates?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA,,

 

[Rigby5]

So why did he claim he was doing communism?

Its called PR.
When you are stealing from the people, you do not want them to rebel, so you tell them how lucky they are to have you looking out for their share.
And there was some sharing.
People did get a minimal ensured food and housing consideration, but not like the top capitalists made, like Stalin.

 

[westwall]

There is nothing collective, cooperative, or communal about Venezuela, Cuba, Russia, or China.
Is there shared equity among the people and leaders?
No.
Are the leaders motivated for their own profit?
Yes.
Therefore it is CAPITALISM.

That is incredibly moronic.

 

[Rigby5]

Obviously capitalism is dangerous.
It relies on and enhances materialism, greed, and all the bad emotions that get people to kill and steal from each other.
However, it also promotes innovation and motivation, so it often wins wars.

Why do you need innovation under capitalism?
Why not just kill opponents and steal, like under communism?

The government in Venezuela is totally right wing, using military force to prevent popular opinions from being implemented, and the wealthy elite getting all the benefits from industry that is supposed to be equitably shared.

Left wing government never uses military force to prevent popular opinions from being implemented, with the wealthy elite getting all the benefits from industry that is supposed to be equitably shared?

Capitalists can't even get along with each other.

Do they have to get along? Why?

That is silly because capitalists do traditionally just murder/steal.
Recently that is why we invaded Iraq.
That was the point of the colonialism and imperialism of the US, England, France, Belgium, Holland, etc.
That was the point of the Spanish conquistadors, the Crusades, the Roman legions, Alexander the Great, the Egyptians, etc.

If there is murder and stealing, that is the opposite of communism, which be definition means sharing.

And yes, left wing governments can never use military force to prevent popular opinions from being implemented.
It is only right wing governments where you have a mercenary military that will do what the elite minority pays them to do.
With a true left wing government, there is no paid military, and you just have citizen soldiers who won't do evil things.

The ability to get along is an indicator of how natural, normal, and efficient a system is.
If you can't get along, then you waste effort on unproductive conflict.
For example, do we need 10 different car makers?
If one makers puts another out of business, then all those buildings, jobs, investments, etc., are all lost.
Every successful car maker has destroyed over half a dozen others, resulting in untold harm and damage.
It would be far more efficient to just have 1 car makers that had a board to investigate and incorporate innovative improvements.

For example, there are a lot of really, really stupid things cars should not do or have.
Like touch screens that make you look away from the road.
Catalytic converters that produce highly toxic cyanates, formalins, etc.
Throttle by wire, that sometimes go full throttle by mistake,
Etc.

 

[Rigby5]

historically communism has failed every single time,,,

my god youre dumber than I thought,,, meerkats and primates?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA,,

Communism has never failed.
When have parents ever had kids with the intent of profit from them?

 

[progressive hunter]

Communism has never failed.
When have parents ever had kids with the intent of profit from them?

you poor lost soul,,,

 

[Rigby5]

That is incredibly moronic.

How was Stalin, Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, or any dictator anything but capitalist?

 

[Rigby5]

you poor lost soul,,,

No one ever does evil because they like evil, they just do it for profits, which makes then not only capitalists, but makes capitalism evil.

 

[westwall]

How was Stalin, Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, or any dictator anything but capitalist?

Capitalism is free people making their own decisions. If Stalin didn't like you, he killed you. Capitalists try and sell you the products they make, they don't intentionally murder you.

You are a complete loon.

 

[struth]

https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/fil...-_is_capitalism_compatible_with_democracy.pdf

"Capitalism and democracy follow different logics: unequally distributed property rights on the one hand, equal civic and political rights on the other; profit oriented trade within capitalism in contrast to the search for the common good within democracy; debate, compromise and majority decision-making within democratic politics versus hierarchical decision-making by managers and capital owners.

"Capitalism is not democratic, democracy not capitalist.

"During the first postwar decades, tensions between the two were moderated through the socio-political embedding of capitalism by an interventionist tax and welfare state.

"Yet, the financialization of capitalism since the 1980s has broken the precarious capitalist-democratic compromise."

Reagan's tax cuts facilitated low interest rates and financial bubbles to promote US financial expansion by making real estate speculation and junk-bond corporate takeovers effectively exempt from income taxation.

This set in motion a chain-reaction of asset price inflation that is still polarizing this economy today.

The primary mode of accumulation has become financial, enabling investment bankers to replace government planners.

Capitalism is an economic system

Democracy is a form of Govt

Of course they aren’t the same thing

Leftist want to merge the two, economic systems and Govt, which lead to tyranny

 

[Rigby5]

historically communism has failed every single time,,,

my god youre dumber than I thought,,, meerkats and primates?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA,,

Meerkats and primitive primates are OUR history, for tens of millions of years, if not longer.
Those are where all our inherent instincts/values came from.
We are inherently communist and social animals.

 

[Rigby5]

Capitalism is free people making their own decisions. If Stalin didn't like you, he killed you. Capitalists try and sell you the products they make, they don't intentionally murder you.

You are a complete loon.

Stalin was exactly like all capitalists of history.
The capitalists that just try to lie to you or cajole you with commercials are the tame capitalists who we refrained from threatening us with weapons.
Traditionally all the slavery, dictators, autocrats, etc., were all capitalists, profit motivated, and succeeded by bribing hired thugs.

 

[Rigby5]

Capitalism is an economic system

Democracy is a form of Govt

Of course they aren’t the same thing

Leftist want to merge the two, economic systems and Govt, which lead to tyranny

No, the right wing wealthy elite have always traditionally merged the 2, hiring mercenaries to intimidate and kill.
They left is trying to create a counter defense to capitalist dictators, in order to prevent intimidation and murder by the wealthy elite.

Just look at history.
We rebelled from England.
Why?
Because England was run by capitalist dictators that were trying to unfairly tax and intimidate.

 

[dblack]

Leftist want to merge the two, economic systems and Govt, which lead to tyranny

That's exactly my problem with it. Trying to combine state power and economic power will work out approximately as well as combining state power with religious power.