Capitalism is NOT Democratic: Democracy is NOT Capitalist

[georgephillip]

No corporation ever stole from me. Government, on the other hand, does it on a daily basis.

Corporations that don't pay their fair share in taxes steal from all natural citizens, even those too brainwashed too notice. Government creates corporations and should regulate them in the interest of society.

 

[dblack]

Shareholders in the secondary market contribute nothing in a productive sense; they simply extract money that should rightfully go to employees.

Nope. They make the most important decisions in the economy. The decisions that government bureaucrats will make in your dream world.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Shareholders in the secondary market contribute nothing in a productive sense; they simply extract money that should rightfully go to employees.

If I buy a share of George Co. at $100 and sell it at $200, how much did I steal from your employees?
How did I steal it? Be specific.

 

[bripat9643]

Corporations that don't pay their fair share in taxes steal from all natural citizens, even those too brainwashed too notice. Government creates corporations and should regulate them in the interest of society.

The term "fair share" is meaningless. It means whatever you want it to mean, and that always means more. You're trying to claim what they pay is a crime when the government considers it to be perfectly legal.

Government laredy does regulate them heavily, so what's your point?

 

[bripat9643]

Shareholders in the secondary market contribute nothing in a productive sense; they simply extract money that should rightfully go to employees.

How does it rightfully go to the employees? When did the shareholders agree to that? Since when is theft "rightful?" If I buy a painting for $1000, and then I discover it's an original Rembrandt and sell it for $10 million, am I not entitled to it?

 

[bripat9643]

Demand by whom, rich parasites looking for the next big speculative scam?

In demand by anyone with a brain.

 

[bripat9643]

Shareholders in the secondary market contribute nothing in a productive sense; they simply extract money that should rightfully go to employees.

Your dead wrong, douchebag. People only buy stocks because they know they can resell them later for more. If there was no secondary market, there would be no primary market.

Marxist imbeciles believe you can repeal all the laws of economics.

 

[a1623yankee]

Great, the assholes that called themselves communists and killed 100 million weren't real commies.

Where are the real commies?

They're on the reservations, in the forests and jungles and along the Arctic circle. The national leaders that claim communism are beset with self serving MONEY, POWER AND RULE fascists, much as the USA is becoming.

 

[a1623yankee]

Your dead wrong, douchebag. People only buy stocks because they know they can resell them later for more. If there was no secondary market, there would be no primary market.

Marxist imbeciles believe you can repeal all the laws of economics.

The only laws of economics are GREED for MONEY, POWER and RULE. The rest of the so-called laws are merely scams to impoverish and subjugate everyone else using criminality.

PS, your "your" should be you're. Stupidity and ignorance have all too common poorly educated markers.

 

[a1623yankee]

In demand by anyone with a brain.

Should be: In demand by anyone who is stupid enough or wildly ignorant with a delusional criminal brain.

 

[a1623yankee]

Should be: In demand by anyone who is stupid enough or wildly ignorant with a delusional criminal brain.

Bear in mind that CAPITALISM is a far cry from and to the point of being diametrically opposed to capitalism

 

[georgephillip]

How can rugged individualism be totalitarian? According to your own definition it doesn't fit the bill. Are rugged individuals "subservient" to the state? Was early American government "centralized?" Was it dictatorial?

Early American government was largely missing from the frontier where your rugged individualists provided for themselves in order to survive:

Rugged individualism - Wikipedia

"American rugged individualism has its origins in the American frontier experience.

"Throughout its evolution, the American frontier was generally sparsely populated and had very little infrastructure in place.

"Under such conditions, individuals had to provide for themselves to survive.

"This kind of environment favored people who preferred to work in isolation from a larger community and may have shifted attitudes at the frontier in favor of individualistic thought over collectivism."

We are no longer living on a frontier.
Decades of investment have changed our production possibilities.
Today's "rugged individualist" who owns his own business has a "my way or the highway" attitude with employees and that makes her rule totalitarian in nature.

 

[dblack]

Today's "rugged individualist" who owns his own business has a "my way or the highway" attitude with employees and that makes her rule totalitarian in nature.

You're equivocating, playing word games again.

"Totalitarian" describes a system of coercive state government, not business. Business is not coercive.

Do you have anything besides stupid memes and "very special" definitions?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They're on the reservations, in the forests and jungles and along the Arctic circle. The national leaders that claim communism are beset with self serving MONEY, POWER AND RULE fascists, much as the USA is becoming.

So we should kill all the fake commies.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Today's "rugged individualist" who owns his own business has a "my way or the highway" attitude with employees and that makes her rule totalitarian in nature.

A totalitarian rule that you can escape by simply quitting.

 

[georgephillip]

"Totalitarian" describes a system of coercive state government, not business. Business is not coercive.

Capitalism is autocratic.

Capitalists bribe government for laws and institutions that give a small fraction of society the "right" to decide what to produce, where to produce it, and how to distribute any surplus.

Owners of the means of production rule their businesses through coercion by autocratic, authoritarian, and totalitarian means.
Definition of totalitarian | Dictionary.com
"Adjective
of or relating to a centralized government that does not tolerate parties of differing opinion and that exercises dictatorial control over many aspects of life.
exercising control over the freedom, will, or thought of others; authoritarian; autocratic

"noun
an adherent of totalitarianism"

 

[a1623yankee]

So we should kill all the fake commies.

What in the world is wrong with humanity when someone says (and means) that we should kill all whom we don't like? What in the world is wrong with humanity when we fabricate LIES, especially to ourselves, that would justify such actions in our own minds? How do the delusions become so virulent and violent that LIES form in our minds as justifiable and actionable truths with self obvious criminal conclusions? There are more than a reasonable number of examples of the net results of that type of thinking which include the death camps of the 20th century and the killing fields of southeast Asia. Be careful what you wish for Toddsterpatriot, it could backfire!

 

[bripat9643]

Capitalism is autocratic.

Capitalists bribe government for laws and institutions that give a small fraction of society the "right" to decide what to produce, where to produce it, and how to distribute any surplus.

Owners of the means of production rule their businesses through coercion by autocratic, authoritarian, and totalitarian means.
Definition of totalitarian | Dictionary.com
"Adjective
of or relating to a centralized government that does not tolerate parties of differing opinion and that exercises dictatorial control over many aspects of life.
exercising control over the freedom, will, or thought of others; authoritarian; autocratic

"noun
an adherent of totalitarianism"

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What in the world is wrong with humanity when someone says (and means) that we should kill all whom we don't like? What in the world is wrong with humanity when we fabricate LIES, especially to ourselves, that would justify such actions in our own minds? How do the delusions become so virulent and violent that LIES form in our minds as justifiable and actionable truths with self obvious criminal conclusions? There are more than a reasonable number of examples of the net results of that type of thinking which include the death camps of the 20th century and the killing fields of southeast Asia. Be careful what you wish for Toddsterpatriot, it could backfire!

What in the world is wrong with humanity when someone says (and means) that we should kill all whom we don't like?

Who said they want to kill everyone they don't like?

Be careful what you wish for Toddsterpatriot, it could backfire!

How?

 

[georgephillip]

What in the world is wrong with humanity when we fabricate LIES, especially to ourselves, that would justify such actions in our own minds? How do the delusions become so virulent and violent that LIES form in our minds as justifiable and actionable truths with self obvious criminal conclusions

One possible answer to your questions is an economic system that rewards a miniscule percentage of humanity with vast fortunes that would never have come into existence in a world without war and debt.

Dollar Recycling | Michael Hudson

"My book 'Super Imperialism' was about how the United States has gained a free lunch by establishing the dollar as international reserve currency by replacing gold.

"I also showed that the U.S. balance of payments deficit is almost entirely military related to support its 800 bases around the world."