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Capitalism is NOT Democratic: Democracy is NOT Capitalist

Toddsterpatriot

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If you are among the vast majority of productive workers toiling in a capitalist economy, you are one of those people whose entire working life will be controlled by other people.

There's a fundamental question here: who controls and benefits from the economy.

Conservatives believe rich aristocrats deserve to decide what to produce, where to produce it, and, most importantly, how do distribute any profits.

Those who aren't afraid to control their workplaces believe otherwise.

Conservatives believe rich aristocrats deserve to decide what to produce,

Why would we let poor morons like you decide what to produce?

most importantly, how do distribute any profits.

Yes, owners get to decide what to do with profits.
Poor, stupid whiners like you don't get to decide.
 

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If you are among the vast majority of productive workers toiling in a capitalist economy, you are one of those people whose entire working life will be controlled by other people.

There's a fundamental question here: who controls and benefits from the economy.

Conservatives believe rich aristocrats deserve to decide what to produce, where to produce it, and, most importantly, how do distribute any profits.

Those who aren't afraid to control their workplaces believe otherwise.


I worked in a capitalist economy for 30 years. Worked for a big corporations.

Had a really good living and a great retirement.

If you can't make money in a Capitalist economy then you are a sorry piece of shit and piss on you.

However, every year that money I earned by working hard is taken away from me by the filthy ass government and given away to the worthless welfare queens that support the elected officials that take the money away. Like the asshole Negro voting block of the destructive Democrat Party.
 

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Conservatives believe rich aristocrats deserve to decide what to produce,

Why would we let poor morons like you decide what to produce?

most importantly, how do distribute any profits.

Yes, owners get to decide what to do with profits.
Poor, stupid whiners like you don't get to decide.

Exactly!

Socialism is driven by greed of unproductive sorry ass welfare queens that think they are owed a living simply because they are alive.
 

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It is required under the capitalist system just as the serf was required to work his lord's land for his entire life and slaves were destined to serve their masters.
Nope. It's not. That's a lie.
Socialism breaks that chain for those who aren't afraid of individual liberty coming to the workplace.
Another lie.
Obviously, US Libertarians are more comfortable leaving the decision making to someone else.
And another. 3 for 3 - a perfect game!
 
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That's a prescription for failure. When has anything smart been decided by majority vote?
The Founders and the Vote | The Right to Vote | Elections | Classroom Materials at the Library of Congress | Library of Congress

"The right of suffrage is a fundamental Article in Republican Constitutions. The regulation of it is, at the same time, a task of peculiar delicacy. Allow the right [to vote] exclusively to property [owners], and the rights of persons may be oppressed... . Extend it equally to all, and the rights of property [owners] ...may be overruled by a majority without property...."
 

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The Founders and the Vote | The Right to Vote | Elections | Classroom Materials at the Library of Congress | Library of Congress

"The right of suffrage is a fundamental Article in Republican Constitutions. The regulation of it is, at the same time, a task of peculiar delicacy. Allow the right [to vote] exclusively to property [owners], and the rights of persons may be oppressed... . Extend it equally to all, and the rights of property [owners] ...may be overruled by a majority without property...."
Name a country that gave women the vote in 1789.
 

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Their rights to an education, medical care, clean air and water. Any human right that runs afoul of the profit motive is subject to extinction.
There is no right to any of those. You mean any "human right" that can only be implemented by initiating force against innocent people.
 

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There is no right to any of those. You mean any "human right" that can only be implemented by initiating force against innocent people.
In general, when liberals or maxists use the term "human right", they mean "free shit".
 
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Is it? I'm not aware of any such thing prior to WW I
So what?

How does your knowledge of economic history compare to Michael Hudson's?


Germany's Choice | Michael Hudson

"Imposing austerity on Germany after World War I

"After World War I the U.S. Government deviated from what had been traditional European policy – forgiving military support costs among the victors. U.S. officials demanded payment for the arms shipped to its Allies in the years before America entered the Great War in 1917.

"The Allies turned to Germany for reparations to pay these debts.

"Headed by John Maynard Keynes, British diplomats sought to clean their hands of responsibility for the consequences by promising that all the money they received from Germany would simply be forwarded to the U.S. Treasury."
 

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Prior to that conflict, it was traditional for allies to forgive the loans that helped win their victory.

Sounds super groovy!!

When was this tradition followed?

Post your 5 favorite examples.
 
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Yet that wasn't really how Trump did it. He was as grass roots and populist as Bernie. Arguably moreso
Really?
Why don't you regale me with that argument?
Start here:


"While Trump raised less money than his Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton, he received free media attention valued at about $5 billion."

Summary data for Donald Trump, 2016 cycle
 
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But their vision of democracy has morphed into unlimited majority rule. They've pretty much abandoned the kind of liberal democracy our constitution describes.
"Their" vision of democracy doesn't include private tyrants (and tyrannies) deciding how the state is to be governed:
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"The Investment theory of party competition is a political theory developed by Thomas Ferguson, Emeritus Professor of Political Science at the University of Massachusetts Boston.

"The theory focuses on how business elites, not voters, play the leading part in political systems."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investment_theory_of_party_competition
 

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