Cancer Treatment wait times....increasing under national healthcare system in Britain...

[Coyote]

Good thing there are still private doctors for people that can afford it.

You know, I was wondering something...

With how horrible public healthcare is, why do you suppose the approval rating for healthcare is so much higher throughout Europe than it is in the states? Why do you suppose it is that none of these nations will ever stop providing national healthcare? Why do you suppose it is that we are one of the only nations on Earth that doesn't offer a public option?

They don't know anything different. They will eventually have the quality of the healthcare decline and decline since they can't afford it. If the United States stopped providing for their national defense, their medicines and their medical innovation, the collapse would happen much faster.

So you think a system where those who can afford healthcare get it and those who can not are left to die, is better?

 

[Coyote]

They can't afford the taxes necessary to pay for the system they have and afford a system similar to ours.

If you went to Britain or any nation with national healthcare and suggested to people that they'd be better off doing it like we do they'd laugh in your face.

Care to prove that?
I can prove that Canada is experiencing extremely long wait times to see doctors. That they are also seeing a decline in nursing staff. That they have a shortage of doctors and hospital rooms.
I can prove that Britian is facing a problem with certain hospitals only serving older citizens. I can show you that they are experiencing a money shortage for their healthcare.
I can show that those that can afford it come to the U.S. for treatment.

There are Scandinavian countries with an over 90% approval rating of their public healthcare. The fact that the people there love it and don't want it to go anywhere, just improve, speaks for itself. The idea that they're just too ignorant to see that our way is better is fucking ludicrous. Our healthcare is only the best if you're rich and can afford to pay the most gifted doctors in the world to help you. Public healthcare options are better for the public at large. That's why people there love it and it's why it will never go away, ever. You people have been shouting that their system will collapse any second now for fucking decades. It won't though. It's not going to go away. No, it's not perfect and nothing can be, but they will never stop doing it. They will only seek to improve it. Also anecdotally I have been to Europe and talk to Europeans. They think we are fucking crazy.

You seem to think that only the rich can get medical treatment in the U.S. Hate to throw a wrench into your whole narrative there but with my Blue Cross Blue shield I can go to any hospital any doctor. I am not limited to some backyard dog kennel. I don't have to go to a special hospital only because I am old. I don't have to wait eight months or over a year to see a doctor.

I have insurance on my vehicles, my house even my life. I realize that some think it is worth the risk of not having health insurance is a good trade off to having that new iPhone or eating out every week.

And some can’t afford it, along with the ifone and eating out.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

They can't afford the taxes necessary to pay for the system they have and afford a system similar to ours.

If you went to Britain or any nation with national healthcare and suggested to people that they'd be better off doing it like we do they'd laugh in your face.

Care to prove that?
I can prove that Canada is experiencing extremely long wait times to see doctors. That they are also seeing a decline in nursing staff. That they have a shortage of doctors and hospital rooms.
I can prove that Britian is facing a problem with certain hospitals only serving older citizens. I can show you that they are experiencing a money shortage for their healthcare.
I can show that those that can afford it come to the U.S. for treatment.

There are Scandinavian countries with an over 90% approval rating of their public healthcare. The fact that the people there love it and don't want it to go anywhere, just improve, speaks for itself. The idea that they're just too ignorant to see that our way is better is fucking ludicrous. Our healthcare is only the best if you're rich and can afford to pay the most gifted doctors in the world to help you. Public healthcare options are better for the public at large. That's why people there love it and it's why it will never go away, ever. You people have been shouting that their system will collapse any second now for fucking decades. It won't though. It's not going to go away. No, it's not perfect and nothing can be, but they will never stop doing it. They will only seek to improve it. Also anecdotally I have been to Europe and talk to Europeans. They think we are fucking crazy.

womp womp
Swedes face problems with health care system
Sweden’s Universal Healthcare System Goes the Way of All Others
‘Socialist’ Nordic Countries Are Actually Moving Toward Private Health Care

 

[Coyote]

Nothing wrong with a system that combines private with a public option as long as everyone is covered.

 

[pknopp]

Nothing wrong with a system that combines private with a public option as long as everyone is covered.

All I care about is that everyone can afford to get the health care they need. How it's done doesn't concern me all that much.

For those who want a private/public system they would be wise to get such a system in place because otherwise its going to be Medicare for all sooner or later.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Nothing wrong with a system that combines private with a public option as long as everyone is covered.

Want to see a public option in action visit a VA facility.

 

[Coyote]

Nothing wrong with a system that combines private with a public option as long as everyone is covered.

Want to see a public option in action visit a VA facility.

If you don’t want a public option what do you recommend for those that can’t afford private insurance?

 

[pknopp]

Nothing wrong with a system that combines private with a public option as long as everyone is covered.

Want to see a public option in action visit a VA facility.

People love Medicare. Go on , run on overturning it.

 

[Confounding]

Nothing wrong with a system that combines private with a public option as long as everyone is covered.

Want to see a public option in action visit a VA facility.

Vets still use the VA despite it being underfunded. I wonder why that is...

 

[westwall]

Nothing wrong with a system that combines private with a public option as long as everyone is covered.

Want to see a public option in action visit a VA facility.

If you don’t want a public option what do you recommend for those that can’t afford private insurance?

Reducing costs by allowing across state competition. Tort reform. Allow catastrophic illness/accident policies again,
Severely punish insurance scams, government control of medicine costs up to a point, reformation of the drug approval process, control illegal immigration which is bankrupting our hospitals, that's all I have for now.

But it's a start.

 

[westwall]

Nothing wrong with a system that combines private with a public option as long as everyone is covered.

Want to see a public option in action visit a VA facility.

Vets still use the VA despite it being underfunded. I wonder why that is...

Because they have already paid into it and in many cases it's all that's available.

 

[Confounding]

Because they have already paid into it and in many cases it's all that's available.

You mean a limited option they can afford is better than no options?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Enjoy.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Good thing there are still private doctors for people that can afford it. Want to guess what happens to people in the states when they can't afford insurance or private care? A lot of them die due to lack of care. I bet they wish they had that awful public option that Britain does.

You know, I was wondering something...

With how horrible public healthcare is, why do you suppose the approval rating for healthcare is so much higher throughout Europe than it is in the states? Why do you suppose it is that none of these nations will ever stop providing national healthcare? Why do you suppose it is that we are one of the only nations on Earth that doesn't offer a public option?

Because they don't know any better.

No. That’s not an arrogant position to take. Not at all.

 

[Maxdeath]

What scenario are you talking about the fact that Medicare for all as Bernie envisions it would cost 3.2 trillion a year and still not cover everything? The fact that 3.2 trillion was exactly what was brought in in 2016 in federal taxes?
Perhaps you are trying to pretend that small hospitals have already stated that given the fact that government says they can only charge a given amount for rooms and services they will have to close since they can not get by on those prices since they are small and out of the way their costs are higher?
Perhaps you are talking the loss of private and semi private rooms which they do not allow on Medicare or in countries that have single payer healthcare?
If you don't have a specific problem you wish to address then I am just guessing that the reason you use the own scenario as I don't like what you said but don't want to refute anything.

It gets old ...........it really does. You can state your facts, which aren't all day.

No one expects to pay nothing. People pay now. Businesses pay now. That will not change.

The funny thing is I have something to back up what I claim you just have stomp your feet and deny. Try reading this The cost of Medicare for All: Sticker shock or bill relief?
If you don't like that there are more articles I can post.

No one is arguing that it isn't complicated. The argument is that every other first world country has figured it out.

And according to almost every first world country says they are having both financial and personell problems. So which one do you want? A problem that we are familiar with or one that we are not and there may be no way to come back from?
Glad to see you finally got over that it won't cost that much.

I have no idea exactly what it will cost nor do I care. If we do not have to pay for bail outs and bombs, we don't actually have to pay for health care either.

So you are extremely happy with watching the debt skyrocket? This is not like a video game that once it gets so high it resets. Just how crazy are you?

 

[Maxdeath]

They can't afford the taxes necessary to pay for the system they have and afford a system similar to ours.

If you went to Britain or any nation with national healthcare and suggested to people that they'd be better off doing it like we do they'd laugh in your face.

Care to prove that?
I can prove that Canada is experiencing extremely long wait times to see doctors. That they are also seeing a decline in nursing staff. That they have a shortage of doctors and hospital rooms.
I can prove that Britian is facing a problem with certain hospitals only serving older citizens. I can show you that they are experiencing a money shortage for their healthcare.
I can show that those that can afford it come to the U.S. for treatment.

There are Scandinavian countries with an over 90% approval rating of their public healthcare. The fact that the people there love it and don't want it to go anywhere, just improve, speaks for itself. The idea that they're just too ignorant to see that our way is better is fucking ludicrous. Our healthcare is only the best if you're rich and can afford to pay the most gifted doctors in the world to help you. Public healthcare options are better for the public at large. That's why people there love it and it's why it will never go away, ever. You people have been shouting that their system will collapse any second now for fucking decades. It won't though. It's not going to go away. No, it's not perfect and nothing can be, but they will never stop doing it. They will only seek to improve it. Also anecdotally I have been to Europe and talk to Europeans. They think we are fucking crazy.

womp womp
Swedes face problems with health care system
Sweden’s Universal Healthcare System Goes the Way of All Others
‘Socialist’ Nordic Countries Are Actually Moving Toward Private Health Care

I always get a kick out of those that look at a system that needs a few weeks to make it better but instead want a system that is failing. I guess it is the ideal of the sheep follow everyone else, surely all the others can't be wrong.

 

[Maxdeath]

They can't afford the taxes necessary to pay for the system they have and afford a system similar to ours.

If you went to Britain or any nation with national healthcare and suggested to people that they'd be better off doing it like we do they'd laugh in your face.

Care to prove that?
I can prove that Canada is experiencing extremely long wait times to see doctors. That they are also seeing a decline in nursing staff. That they have a shortage of doctors and hospital rooms.
I can prove that Britian is facing a problem with certain hospitals only serving older citizens. I can show you that they are experiencing a money shortage for their healthcare.
I can show that those that can afford it come to the U.S. for treatment.

There are Scandinavian countries with an over 90% approval rating of their public healthcare. The fact that the people there love it and don't want it to go anywhere, just improve, speaks for itself. The idea that they're just too ignorant to see that our way is better is fucking ludicrous. Our healthcare is only the best if you're rich and can afford to pay the most gifted doctors in the world to help you. Public healthcare options are better for the public at large. That's why people there love it and it's why it will never go away, ever. You people have been shouting that their system will collapse any second now for fucking decades. It won't though. It's not going to go away. No, it's not perfect and nothing can be, but they will never stop doing it. They will only seek to improve it. Also anecdotally I have been to Europe and talk to Europeans. They think we are fucking crazy.

You seem to think that only the rich can get medical treatment in the U.S. Hate to throw a wrench into your whole narrative there but with my Blue Cross Blue shield I can go to any hospital any doctor. I am not limited to some backyard dog kennel. I don't have to go to a special hospital only because I am old. I don't have to wait eight months or over a year to see a doctor.

I have insurance on my vehicles, my house even my life. I realize that some think it is worth the risk of not having health insurance is a good trade off to having that new iPhone or eating out every week.

And some can’t afford it, along with the ifone and eating out.

First get rid of the idea of insurance having to be limited by state lines.

 

[Polishprince]

If the NHS is so fantastic and better than America, why do British subjects like Mick Jagger come to America when they need to have heart surgery or other serious procedures.

The NHS is fine for the healthy people. If you aren't sick and just looking for scrips, the fact that the doctor is a quack or worse isn't a problem for you.

However, if you aren't doing so well, you actually need competency.

 

[RealDave]

As the National Healthcare system in Britain collapses....this problem is going to get worse and worse....they can't sustain it.....

Annals of Government Medicine

The London Times headlines: “Cancer patients face record wait.”

Cancer patients are being forced to endure the worst waiting times since records began, official figures reveal.
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In total, 168,390 patients were not seen or treated within the specified times. The figure is up 24% on the same period in 2018-19. Staff shortages, lack of equipment and beds filled by patients needing social care were to blame.
***
In September, 76.9% of patients with suspected cancer began treatment within two months of an urgent referral from a GP.

“Urgent” isn’t what it once was. Delays in obtaining treatment often lead to poor outcomes:

Last year, for the first time, the NHS carried out more than 2m checks. It says cancer survival is at an all-time high, yet Britain is near the bottom of international league tables for cancer survival and is lagging years behind some countries for some types of the disease.

The National Health Service is unaccountably popular with Britons. In the current election campaign, Jeremy Corbyn made an issue out of documents apparently obtained by a hacker that, he said, showed the Tories were planning to “sell the NHS” to the U.S. Labour described alleged discussions between the Teresa May government and the U.S. as “the plot against our NHS.” Upon his arrival in London for the recent NATO meeting, President Trump was asked about the claim that he was trying to “buy the NHS.” Trump said he wouldn’t take the NHS if it were offered on a silver platter.

over 91% had visits within the two week window.

From referral to treatment can depend on the number of tests, etc required before a treatment plan can be determined.

90% of people referred in a "urgent referral" are not diagnosed with cancer.

Quit trying to paint "Medicare for All" as the same as in other countries & posting dishonest shit.