Canada Wildfires This Year Have Released As Much CO2 As About 20% Of US Emissions
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ReinyDays
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Which satellites and which balloons? ... and which theory? ... SB describes surface temperature ...
You don't have any satellite or balloon data .. or you'd post it with your math ... and if you reject one theory, you need to replace it with another ... or it's pseudo-science ... [giggle] ...
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YOUR THEORY, the Global "warming" theory, that increasing atmospheric Co2 would warm atmosphere - it didn't...
Key claim against global warming evaporates
Satellite and weather balloon data used to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn't really happening turns out to be based on faulty analyses, according to three new studies.
www.nbcnews.com
satellite and weather balloon data have actually suggested the opposite, that the atmosphere was cooling.
Scientists were left with two choices: either the atmosphere wasn't warming up, or something was wrong with the data.
LOL!!!
No conflict there, just FUDGE IT and keep bilking the taxpayer.
What were the justifications given for FUDGING the atmospheric temp data?
You know all, TELL US....
ReinyDays
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Microwave is absorbed by H2O.
IR is absorbed by Co2
UV is absorbed by O3
All molecules absorb some part of the spectrum. A microwave oven bombards H2O in a small enclosure. Genius...
YOUR PROBLEM is that Earth has an ATMOSPHERE and YOUR THEORY is that increasing Co2 in the ATMOSPHERE would warm the ATMOSPHERE.
THAT did NOT HAPPEN.
NOTHING HAPPENED.
And until YOU provide evidence to the contrary...
ReinyDays
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Do you mean NOAA Temperature data ... there's a link on that page that will take you to both the data and the methodology ... please point to where you think this is wrong ...
Here's more evidence of global warming through sea level rise ...
Now where's your balloon data? ... and your alternate theory ... why doesn't carbon dioxide warm the atmosphere? ...
Did you use Southern Hemisphere carbon dioxide? ... remember that spins the other way ... Coriolis force and all ... the torque vector points down in your case ...
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CO2 has nothing to do with the weather or heating or cooling.I was curious how significant the Canadian wildfire CO2 emissions are, so I decided to do some simple math....
So far this year, about 9.39M acres have burned in Canada...
'Unprecedented fire weather season' chars 9.39 million acres across Canada
Canada is ablaze from coast to coast with 425 active fires, more than half are out of control, according to the Canadian Interagency Forest Fire Centre (CIFFC). So far, fires have charred 9.39 million acres, 17 times the 20-year average. That is larger than the area of Connecticut.news.yahoo.com
Each acre burned released about 68 tonnes of CO2 equivalent...
How much CO2 is released when one hectare of forest is burned? See more ...
Facts: - Although forests play an important role in fight against climate change, the results are devastating when they are burned. Equivalent to 170 tonnes of CO2 (methane, nitrous oxide) is released per hectare forest wildfire.www.linkedin.com
(This reference compares well with the EPA estimate of 83 tonnes of total carbon available per acre of forest, not all of which burns in a fire - [Link]
So we have about 68 x 9.39M = 640M tonnes of CO2 released so far this year from Canadian wildfires.
In 2021, U.S. greenhouse gas emissions totaled 6,340.2 million metric tons of carbon dioxide equivalents.
Inventory of U.S. Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Sinks | US EPA
The national greenhouse gas inventory is developed each year to track trends in U.S. emissions and removals. Find emissions by source, economic sector and greenhouse gas.www.epa.gov
So the releases from the wildfires are about 10% of US annual emissions, or about 20% of the emissions so far this year (since the year is almost half over).
The fires are sill burning....
Jim
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If you are going to claim a sea level rise you must post a photo of a landmark on Earth sinking. This debate has gone on for decades, and the warmers have absolutely no evidence at all of anything sinking, except islands in the south pacific. Why is that?
LOL!!!
ReinyDays
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Is this in answer to my request for balloon and satellite data? ... how about an alternate theory to explain my experiment? ...
The scientific answer to sea level rise can be found here ... this paper has data and mathematics ... please read through it and tell us what you think is in error ...
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What is in error is
A) the conclusion
B) the theory
C) the eternal taxpayer funded fudging of the data
The satellite and balloon fudges, do you buy them?
Orbit Wobble to fudge the satellites higher
Shade issues that were constant the whole time = fudge the flat line data to an upward slope
Let's hear your endorsement of the fudging of the highly correlated satellite and balloon data in 2005...
And you still cannot show one single landmark sinking...
ReinyDays
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Can you present your data first ... and the math you used to determine there's no change in temperature over the historical period (≈ 1880-2020) ...
Also, you haven't stated your theory yet ... is that the error you speak of? ...
Those who survived in Perrytown, Texas, sure do appreciate the money going into atmospheric science research ... I'm sad you think it's a waste ...
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That's a typical big lie coming from a warmer in Environment section
Since Co2 does nothing, what does cause Earth climate change?
The first part is understanding what is climate and what is weather. Climate is the parameters of Earth that allow certain ranges of weather. We don't get Cat 10 canes now, but we would if Earth had no ice. What are the parameters of climate that can change? Ocean levels Atmospheric...
www.usmessageboard.com
We have two and only two measures of atmospheric temps, satellites and balloons, and both show no warming in the atmosphere despite rising Co2 before your side fudged both with laughable excuses you yourself in Environment refuse to defend....
There is precisely no evidence of breakouts in canes or other types of storms, none, because oceans are not warming. The strongest decade for canes is still the 1940s, and the last time your heroes homO and Big Mike's island got hit with Cat 5 winds was 1938...
So to cite one storm and claim that we need "atmospheric science research" when in reality you are part of the Co2 fraud and that one storm has nothing to do with Co2 that isn't warming anything in the atmosphere is
PRECISELY WHY WE SHOULD ZERO OUT THE CO2 FRAUD
ReinyDays
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Since Co2 does nothing, what does cause Earth climate change?
The first part is understanding what is climate and what is weather. Climate is the parameters of Earth that allow certain ranges of weather. We don't get Cat 10 canes now, but we would if Earth had no ice. What are the parameters of climate that can change? Ocean levels Atmospheric...
Thank you for this ... where is your excess energy going? ... we have 1,360 W/m^2 input ... where does this energy go? ... [smile] ... 1st Law of Thermodynamics ... is that what you're fudging? ...
What are these measures? ... do you have a link to the data, and can you please post your math on how you determined zero temperature change ...
... for tornado predictions so folks can get undercover and NOT DIE ... stupid person ... I can see why you never fly commercial jets ..
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LOL!!!
Co2 went up, atmospheric temps did not. No reason to care about your likely fudged excess energy equation because THE ATMOSPHERE IS NOT WARMING...
YOUR THEORY is that increasing atmospheric Co2 causes warming.
THEORY REJECTED
Key claim against global warming evaporates
Satellite and weather balloon data used to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn't really happening turns out to be based on faulty analyses, according to three new studies.
www.nbcnews.com
has already been linked here 100 times for you...
Tornado "predictions" are weather, not the Co2 FRAUD, and every time you try to change the subject from the Co2 fraud to tornados or excess energy you are trying to escape the truth that THERE IS NO WARMING IN THE ATMOSPHERE DESPITE RISING CO2 which is the actual issue at hand...
ReinyDays
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You've said this ... what theory do you replace it with? ... how are you explaining my experimental results? ...
Key claim against global warming evaporates
Satellite and weather balloon data used to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn't really happening turns out to be based on faulty analyses, according to three new studies.
has already been linked here 100 times for you...
NBC News isn't a scientific source ... and ... no ... we can't calculate any 100-year average from 40 years balloon data ...
What I'm intensely curious about is how you think they measure temperature in the atmosphere with a satellite orbiting ABOVE the atmosphere ... that just makes no sense a'tall ...
So you're admitting to breaking the law ... it's flawed logic to destroy energy willy-nilly ... that's not why there's ice on Earth's surface at sea level ...
EMH
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Satellites use IR.
A bit of "orbit wobble" doesn't change the IR reading at all...
LOL!!
What law?
Linked with topic.
What controls Earth climate is ice. What matters for ice is land near poles. Land moves. Greenland froze while North America thawed. Antarctica has 90% of Earth ice.
Why does one Earth polar circle have 9+ times the other?
Why is there ice age glacier south of Arctic Circle on Greenland but trees and moose north of Arctic Circle on Alaska?
Co2 and Sun both FAIL.
Greenland - continent specific ice age - got to within 600 miles of the pole in past 2 million years....
ReinyDays
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I'm looking at the channel list ... which one measures temperature? ...
The Law of Physics ... particularly the Conservation of Energy ...
Then where is your energy going? ... 1,360W/m^2 ... that melts your ice otherwise ... silly ...
Where's your data? ... and your math? ... still waiting ...
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LOL!!!
That would assume your taxpayer funded "study" is not fudging data, which is the norm...
Meanwhile, you claim warming despite
NO WARMING in the ATMOSPHERE according to the only two measures
NO BREAKOUT in Cane Activity, and there would be one if oceans were warming... meaning
NO WARMING in the OCEANS
NO OCEAN RISE, meaning NO ONGOING NET ICE MELT
An endless stream of "predictions" that are laughably outed as completely wrong already
Busted in British Court lying about Co2 lagging prior warmings and Antarctic ice (90% of Earth ice) growing..
Busted fudging data over and over and over, ClimateGate, satellites and balloons, ocean rise...
In short...
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