Canada bans all handguns. Is America next?

[Big Bend Texas]

Yeah, John Effing McCain for instance. But would even a RINO vote to abolish the filibuster? That person would go down in history right next to Benedict Arnold IMHO, cuz once the threshold drops to a mere 50 votes plus the tiebreaking VP vote, the entire gov't changes. New states would be created, and the Supreme Court would be expanded, and eh federal gov't would control everything from elections to abortion to guns. Once the Left gets into power, it's over. Elections would be truly fixed and we'd become nothing better than a 3rd world dictatorship.

The would be happy to right up until the next time Republicans hold a slim majority in the Senate.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Crime will soar in Canada.....

They don't have a whole lot of crime anyway so I doubt it will make a huge difference. The "Ghetto Culture" is not nearly as ingrained in CA as it is in the US.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

If Dems attempt a gun ban in the USA a civil war will break out, Dem leaders will be imprisoned and Dems will flee to Canada and Mexico.

BS and Bravado aside any serious attempt to confiscate firearms is going to end up an utter disaster with blood in the streets like the US hasn't seen in almost 150 years.

Worse yet the conspiracy nuts who've been predicting just this type of scenario for decades will suddenly be proven correct.

 

[alexa]

Canada moves to ban sale of handguns in sweeping bill introduced after Uvalde shooting

“It will no longer be possible to buy, sell, transfer or import handguns anywhere in Canada. In other words, we’re capping the market for handguns,” Trudeau said.

nypost.com

Trudy says that the 743 murders with guns in Canada in 2020 is unexpectable, so guns need to go

Meanwhile, Canada has moved to decriminalize illicit drugs kill around 4000 Canadians a year

Sounds about right.

Nothing was said about how many people saved lives because of gun use, but one thing is for sure, illicit drugs have saved zero lives yet guns are only targeted by the Nazi Leftists who first defund the police and then come after our ability to defend ourselves.

Ideas and knowledge on things like drug problems have changed. It used to be believed that people got out of their head on drugs or alcohol because they wanted to. This was because of an experiment back in time when they tried offering mice alcohol and discovered once they knew the alcohol was there that was what they wanted. This led to people seeing drug and alcohol problems as being a choice and the way to stop them to make them criminal. However a short while ago it was decided to check this experiment and see if it really was true. In the first experiment all the mice had on offer was alcohol. There was nothing for them to do. They chose the alcohol until they had to take a break. It was believed this was because they enjoyed getting drunk. This time they offered the mice all sorts of interesting things to do and eat and play with and guess what they hardly ever went for the alcohol. In the previous experiment they had gone for the alcohol simply because their life was so empty. Having understood this the response to people with addictions is changing. Along with that starting I think in Portugal the laws of criminality and drugs and drink are also changing....and what they are finding is that stopping treating people with these problems as criminals who deserve punishment and instead treating them as people with respect does not increase drug and alcohol addiction. It is the best way to reduce it so yes, what Canada is doing sounds like the best thing.

 

[flacaltenn]

Unlike all the other countries that have done it. I'm sure you guys don't realise what asshats you appear to the rest of the world.

You probably think you come across as defenders of freedom or something, rather than school kid murder enablers.

Oh well.

And countries like Switzerland and Israel dont HAVE the same problem and their citizens own MILITARY weapons.

England is RAMPANT with crime. ESPECIALLY home and property crime. And if a burglar gets injured breaking INTO your home, they will HOLD YOU LIABLE and let the perp walk. Does that sound right to you? Stories from there ALL THE TIME about burglars getting big PAY DAYS because a homeowner put sharp screening behind a shed door or house window.

Gun Control's Twisted Outcome

Restricting firearms has helped make England more crime-ridden than the U.S.

reason.com

On a June evening two years ago, Dan Rather made many stiff British upper lips quiver by reporting that England had a crime problem and that, apart from murder, "theirs is worse than ours." The response was swift and sharp. "Have a Nice Daydream," The Mirror, a London daily, shot back, reporting: "Britain reacted with fury and disbelief last night to claims by American newsmen that crime and violence are worse here than in the US." But sandwiched between the article's battery of official denials -- "totally misleading," "a huge over-simplification," "astounding and outrageous" -- and a compilation of lurid crimes from "the wild west culture on the other side of the Atlantic where every other car is carrying a gun," The Mirror conceded that the CBS anchorman was correct. Except for murder and rape, it admitted, "Britain has overtaken the US for all major crimes."

Over the course of a few days in the summer of 2001, gun-toting men burst into an English court and freed two defendants; a shooting outside a London nightclub left five women and three men wounded; and two men were machine-gunned to death in a residential neighborhood of north London. And on New Year's Day this year a 19-year-old girl walking on a main street in east London was shot in the head by a thief who wanted her mobile phone. London police are now looking to New York City police for advice.

None of this was supposed to happen in the country whose stringent gun laws and 1997 ban on handguns have been hailed as the "gold standard" of gun control.

In reality, the English approach has not re-duced violent crime. Instead it has left law-abiding citizens at the mercy of criminals who are confident that their victims have neither the means nor the legal right to resist them. Imitating this model would be a public safety disaster for the United States.

The illusion that the English government had protected its citizens by disarming them seemed credible because few realized the country had an astonishingly low level of armed crime even before guns were restricted. A government study for the years 1890-92, for example, found only three handgun homicides, an average of one a year, in a population of 30 million. In 1904 there were only four armed robberies in London, then the largest city in the world. A hundred years and many gun laws later, the BBC reported that England's firearms restrictions "seem to have had little impact in the criminal underworld." Guns are virtually outlawed, and, as the old slogan predicted, only outlaws have guns. Worse, they are increasingly ready to use them.

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TO recap here. You pull ONLY the one number you were handed you by your bad sources on gun deaths -- try to fly that over that goal line. But when you live in a country that HAS INHERENTLY higher violent crime than say -- England -- AND there's a political faction in our govt at all levels --- CLEARING jails and NOT CHARGING criminals AND we saw a "stand-down" during EXTENSIVE rioting/looting in 2020 -- The American citizens are NOT gonna lay down their arms like the British Bobbies did.

Those other countries did not DEFUND THEIR POLICE or castigate ALL of them as criminals. They dont have leftist controlled cities that DISMANTLED their "street crimes" units. THose other countries MAY have gang issues and suicide issues --- but not like WE DO ALLOW.

60% of US gun deaths are suicides. Another 18 or 20% are GANG MURDERS of other gang members or innocent bystanders. CAN YOU ADD THOSE NUMBERS UP and subtract them from 100 AND THEN COMPARE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? Hope you can..,.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Ideas and knowledge on things like drug problems have changed. It used to be believed that people got out of their head on drugs or alcohol because they wanted to. This was because of an experiment back in time when they tried offering mice alcohol and discovered once they knew the alcohol was there that was what they wanted. This led to people seeing drug and alcohol problems as being a choice and the way to stop them to make them criminal. However a short while ago it was decided to check this experiment and see if it really was true. In the first experiment all the mice had on offer was alcohol. There was nothing for them to do. They chose the alcohol until they had to take a break. It was believed this was because they enjoyed getting drunk. This time they offered the mice all sorts of interesting things to do and eat and play with and guess what they hardly ever went for the alcohol. In the previous experiment they had gone for the alcohol simply because their life was so empty. Having understood this the response to people with addictions is changing. Along with that starting I think in Portugal the laws of criminality and drugs and drink are also changing....and what they are finding is that stopping treating people with these problems as criminals who deserve punishment and instead treating them as people with respect does not increase drug and alcohol addiction. It is the best way to reduce it so yes, what Canada is doing sounds like the best thing.

Yet we're seeing the opposite to be proven true everywhere in the US where there has been decriminalization of drugs.

OD's are the number one cause of death for people under 30 in the US today and our drug treatment programs are filled to capacity with wait times for admission often six months or longer.

Further, we have solid evidence that forced drying out and and therapy have a better than 80% failure rate.

People will continue to seek illicit drugs as long as they are available and more often than not it starts off as recreational use but then becomes a horrible addiction that takes control of both the mind and body.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

And countries like Switzerland and Israel dont HAVE the same problem and their citizens own MILITARY weapons.

England is RAMPANT with crime. ESPECIALLY home and property crime. And if a burglar gets injured breaking INTO your home, they will HOLD YOU LIABLE and let the perp walk. Does that sound right to you? Stories from there ALL THE TIME about burglars getting big PAY DAYS because a homeowner put sharp screening behind a shed door or house window.

Gun Control's Twisted Outcome

Restricting firearms has helped make England more crime-ridden than the U.S.

reason.com

On a June evening two years ago, Dan Rather made many stiff British upper lips quiver by reporting that England had a crime problem and that, apart from murder, "theirs is worse than ours." The response was swift and sharp. "Have a Nice Daydream," The Mirror, a London daily, shot back, reporting: "Britain reacted with fury and disbelief last night to claims by American newsmen that crime and violence are worse here than in the US." But sandwiched between the article's battery of official denials -- "totally misleading," "a huge over-simplification," "astounding and outrageous" -- and a compilation of lurid crimes from "the wild west culture on the other side of the Atlantic where every other car is carrying a gun," The Mirror conceded that the CBS anchorman was correct. Except for murder and rape, it admitted, "Britain has overtaken the US for all major crimes."

Over the course of a few days in the summer of 2001, gun-toting men burst into an English court and freed two defendants; a shooting outside a London nightclub left five women and three men wounded; and two men were machine-gunned to death in a residential neighborhood of north London. And on New Year's Day this year a 19-year-old girl walking on a main street in east London was shot in the head by a thief who wanted her mobile phone. London police are now looking to New York City police for advice.

None of this was supposed to happen in the country whose stringent gun laws and 1997 ban on handguns have been hailed as the "gold standard" of gun control.

In reality, the English approach has not re-duced violent crime. Instead it has left law-abiding citizens at the mercy of criminals who are confident that their victims have neither the means nor the legal right to resist them. Imitating this model would be a public safety disaster for the United States.

The illusion that the English government had protected its citizens by disarming them seemed credible because few realized the country had an astonishingly low level of armed crime even before guns were restricted. A government study for the years 1890-92, for example, found only three handgun homicides, an average of one a year, in a population of 30 million. In 1904 there were only four armed robberies in London, then the largest city in the world. A hundred years and many gun laws later, the BBC reported that England's firearms restrictions "seem to have had little impact in the criminal underworld." Guns are virtually outlawed, and, as the old slogan predicted, only outlaws have guns. Worse, they are increasingly ready to use them.

------------------------------------------------

TO recap here. You pull ONLY the one number you were handed you by your bad sources on gun deaths -- try to fly that over that goal line. But when you live in a country that HAS INHERENTLY higher violent crime than say -- England -- AND there's a political faction in our govt at all levels --- CLEARING jails and NOT CHARGING criminals AND we saw a "stand-down" during EXTENSIVE rioting/looting in 2020 -- The American citizens are NOT gonna lay down their arms like the British Bobbies did.

Those other countries did not DEFUND THEIR POLICE or castigate ALL of them as criminals. They dont have leftist controlled cities that DISMANTLED their "street crimes" units. THose other countries MAY have gang issues and suicide issues --- but not like WE DO ALLOW.

60% of US gun deaths are suicides. Another 18 or 20% are GANG MURDERS of other gang members or innocent bystanders. CAN YOU ADD THOSE NUMBERS UP and subtract them from 100 AND THEN COMPARE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? Hope you can..,.

If we discounted gang shootouts and armed robberies resulting in injury or death for the victims in our largest cities, the US violent crime and homicide rates would be on part with Those in the EU.

When LBJ destroyed the black family with welfare bennies we were immediately locked into this path.

 

[alexa]

Yet we're seeing the opposite to be proven true everywhere in the US where there has been decriminalization of drugs.

OD's are the number one cause of death for people under 30 in the US today and our drug treatment programs are filled to capacity with wait times for admission often six months or longer.

Further, we have solid evidence that forced drying out and and therapy have a better than 80% failure rate.

People will continue to seek illicit drugs as long as they are available and more often than not it starts off as recreational use but then becomes a horrible addiction that takes control of both the mind and body.

Sorry to hear that. I know in Portugal they had a whole array of procedures. Things like keeping an eye on people who they thought were vulnerable, going in and talking to them, checking they were ok etc. I just watched that on tv. The prime reason why people seem to take to excess drink and drugs is the absence of warm open relationships which give them a feeling of belonging. There has also been research which has shown that addicts lack certain chemicals or whatever which make them more likely than the ordinary person to be able to stop the desire for instance gratification and that the reward functions in their brain do not work so well. I would think being a major dealer would still be a crime and I am no expert on this just seen several programs on different aspects of this. My country, Scotland, has had the most deaths from drugs in Europe for several years now and I think we have recently started trying this and in particular treating addicts as human beings.

Your saying forcing them to get detox and giving them therapy has an 80% failure rate. Does not surprise me at all. This program requires empowering the person. Also what kind of therapy? For a long time that has been 12 step because it is free but not very effective except for a few.

It is also worth noting that drugs have been decriminalised but they have not be made legal and people can still be subject to civil penalties - see article

Here is an article on Portugal. I suspect possibly the most important part is the last paragraph

What is the Portugal Drug Policy?​

According to the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction, the Portugal Drug Policy, implemented in 2001, decriminalised the personal consumption, acquisition and possession of all drugs.

Put simply, personal consumption of drugs was no longer punishable with a criminal sentence (including prison) but rather, was now referred to as an administrative or civil sentence.

It is here that the Portugal Drug Policy has successfully staked its legacy.

Their attitude towards drug consumption had changed the nation’s mindset from simply labelling drugs as “bad” or “the devil” to providing a workable solution that promoted the need for treatment and a healthy recovery for addicts.
The success of the Portugal Drug Policy has seen a dramatic recovery in the nation’s drug problem. Even remaining steady through several conservative government leaders who had been elected since its inception.

The Portugal Drug Policy allowed for a broad range of services to work together and effectively serve their communities. These groups from pharmacies, health, psychiatry, housing, social work and employment had previously struggled to pool their resources and expertise.

The Portugal Drug Policy, combatting the war on drugs

Discover how Portugal became a world leader in their bold and compassionate approach to tackling drug use and what it means to vistors and locals.

beportugal.com

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Sorry to hear that. I know in Portugal they had a whole array of procedures. Things like keeping an eye on people who they thought were vulnerable, going in and talking to them, checking they were ok and also things like if you were warned two or three times you could still be charged. I just watched that on tv. The prime reason why people seem to take to excess drink and drugs is the absence of warm open relationships which give them a feeling of belonging. There has also been research which has shown that addicts lack certain chemicals or whatever which make them more likely than the ordinary person to be able to stop the desire for instance gratification and that the reward functions in their brain do not work so well. I would think being a major dealer would still be a crime and I am no expert on this just seen several programs on different aspects of this. My country, Scotland, has had the most deaths from drugs in Europe for several years now and I think we have recently started trying this and in particular treating addicts as human beings.

Your saying forcing them to get detox and giving them therapy has an 80% failure rate. Does not surprise me at all. This program requires empowering the person. Also what kind of therapy? For a long time that has been 12 step because it is free but not very effective except for a few.

The problem is that we're not Portugal or any other country in Europe. For one they are able to do a much better job keeping illicit drugs out of their countries because they all cooperate on it and put an emphasis on enforcement along the borders with Non EU countries.

They are almost exclusively monochromatic demographically and do not have the racial strife we have in the US that keeps us at each others throats.

They also don't have a large segment of their population raising kids outside of 2 parent families and normally where that is the case the grandparents are if not living with the mom and kids, very close by.

Almost all addicts one way or another have serious body and/or self esteem issues along with very high rates of anxiety and depression.

We could make a huge difference here in the US but it would require securing our borders which the democrats will never allow as well as the deportation of all criminal aliens whenever and however they are found.

Again, democrats will never allow that either.

Like it or not the Democratic Party is undermining the very foundation and underpinnings of this nation and it won't last much longer without some immediate and lasting significant changes.

America First, needs to be the guiding light with every discussion of public policy and law other wise our decline will only accelerate.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Canada moves to ban sale of handguns in sweeping bill introduced after Uvalde shooting

“It will no longer be possible to buy, sell, transfer or import handguns anywhere in Canada. In other words, we’re capping the market for handguns,” Trudeau said.

nypost.com

Trudy says that the 743 murders with guns in Canada in 2020 is unexpectable, so guns need to go

Meanwhile, Canada has moved to decriminalize illicit drugs kill around 4000 Canadians a year

Sounds about right.

Nothing was said about how many people saved lives because of gun use, but one thing is for sure, illicit drugs have saved zero lives yet guns are only targeted by the Nazi Leftists who first defund the police and then come after our ability to defend ourselves.

How about we just ban murder and Canada?

 

[Batcat]

Yes, and honest citizens will turn in their guns while the criminals hold onto theirs

Women being harassed and threatened by their crazy ex-boy friend will ask the cops for protection

But they wont get any

The Mounties will still have guns to protect government officials but no interest in protecting ordinary citizens

Don’t count on the Canadians turning in all their handguns. If Canadians refuse to turn in their firearms as nice as they are, why would anyone expect Americans to turn in theirs.

Canada Gun Ban May Not Be Feasible

That's the problem with all gun control at its core -- the law-abiding citizens will be defenseless against the criminals who will be armed anyway.

www.westernjournal.com

Come and Take It: Canadians Aren't Complying with New Gun Law

townhall.com

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Don’t count on the Canadians turning in all their handguns. If Canadians refuse to turn in their firearms as nice as they are, why would anyone expect Americans to turn in theirs.

Canada Gun Ban May Not Be Feasible

That's the problem with all gun control at its core -- the law-abiding citizens will be defenseless against the criminals who will be armed anyway.

www.westernjournal.com

Come and Take It: Canadians Aren't Complying with New Gun Law

townhall.com

Unless the percentages have changed wildly something like 80% of those owning guns covered by their AWB never turned them in. I certainly would expect the same or even a higher percentage will refuse with a handgun ban.