Can you say "martinet"?

Oh boy, here comes the gibberish part.
Right, you devolved instantly. You brought up your only apparent point... concern that troops will just defy orders they think are illegal.

And then I taught you that there is already a code for this.

Then you short circuited, because you came armed with only one thought and talking point. And it was weak sauce.
 
And we already have a code that covers your fantasy.
What part?

The glaring flaw in your argument is that you aren't citing which part of the code he's violating. Nor do the blowhards who posted the videos.

This is all too easy.
 
Right, you devolved instantly. You brought up your only apparent point... concern that troops will just defy orders they think are illegal.

And then I taught you that there is already a code for this.

Then you short circuited, because you came armed with only one thought and talking point. And it was weak sauce.
Woo boy.

I'm not going to bother navigating that.
 
No it is absolutely fine for any American to say at any time, and anywhere they like.

And most certainly is fine for a legislator to say, and he will keep saying it. Over and over.

And there isn't a damn thing anyone can or should do about it.

Besides agree with it. Which, you do. Which everyone does.

So you see the absurdity of the act you guys are putting on. You agree with every word of what he said.
In Kelly's case there something to say and do. He only disgrace himself from here on out.
 
I wasn't talking about Trump. I was talking about high ranking officers.

Nobody is trying to talk to the fat rapist, here.

This isn't sedition, you sound insane. This is cultism on parade.
Not to be too personal here but ...




... you're a ******* idiot.
My wife is from Indiana.
Right now, I'm ashamed of that state if you live there.
 
92

That will get you started.

Go read something.
Lol. So you think all his orders are unconstitutional?

So, back to square one. Which orders? What parts of the constitution?

What ethical lines did he cross?

Specificity is not your strongsuit.
 
For your viewing pleasure, posted by Cheeto Jesus his own bad self:

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Lol. So you think all his orders are unconstitutional?
I didn't state or imply such a thing. I said it is in the code that soldiers can't just defy orders because they personally feel they should be unlawful. Only if they are.

Nothing changed, after the video. Nothing at all. It just smoked out the cult.
 
For your viewing pleasure, posted by Cheeto Jesus his own bad self:

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Not knowing what parts of the constitution these orders conflict with, it sows doubt. It is a malicious attempt to breed mutiny in the ranks.

I disagree with people who say "Democrats are stupid." They are mendaciously clever and cunning. They know precisely what they are doing.
 
"Stand for what's right, even if it means standing alone.
Like the Congresspeople did.

Funny, you even agree with their main message.

So your behavior has nothing to do with "standing for what is right". You are standing for your devotion to a single man, nothing more.
 
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Like the Congresspeople did.

Funny, you even agree with their main message.

So your behavior has nothing to do with "standing for what is right". You are standing for your devotion to a single man, nothing more.
That's mighty presumptuous.
 
Back away if you must. I'll spare you the indignity of admitting defeat.

Good night, sir.
You will also spare us all the explanation of how you derived the statement you made up from the code.

Because you could not do that if your life depended on it.
 
Some light reading... reposted from Lo_Stallone

Refusing an Unlawful Military Order: Your Legal Duty, Your Constitutional Right, and the Courage That Defines True Service​



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Many U.S. service members are never told this clearly enough, or at all:

You are not only allowed to refuse an unlawful order — you are obligated to.
This is not insubordination. It’s not desertion. It’s not weakness. It is a legally protected act of courage that upholds the very oath you swore to the Constitution of the United States.

This post lays out everything:

  • What counts as an unlawful order
  • The exact UCMJ articles and their full legal language
  • Real-world military court precedents
  • Interpretations from military law
  • Resources and steps to protect yourself and others
If you're serving and something doesn’t feel right, or if you’ve ever wondered, “Would I be punished for refusing an illegal command?”, read this. The law is on your side.


What Makes an Order Unlawful?​

An unlawful order is any order that:

  • Violates U.S. federal law or the Constitution
  • Violates international law (such as the Geneva Conventions)
  • Requires or leads to war crimes, torture, violence against civilians, or discriminatory actions
  • Has no legitimate military objective or is abusive
Department of Defense Law of War Manual, Section 18.6.1: "Members of the armed forces are bound to obey only lawful orders. An order that violates the law of war is unlawful and must not be obeyed."

UCMJ: What the Law Says​

Article 90 – Willfully Disobeying a Superior Commissioned Officer 10 U.S. Code § 890

"Any person subject to this chapter who willfully disobeys a lawful command of that person's superior commissioned officer shall be punished..."
Key: This only applies to lawful commands.


Article 91 – Insubordination Toward Warrant, NCO, or Petty Officer 10 U.S. Code § 891

"...willfully disobeys the lawful order of a warrant officer, noncommissioned officer, or petty officer..."
Key: Again, the term lawful is crucial. Unlawful orders are not protected by this article.


Article 92 – Failure to Obey Order or Regulation 10 U.S. Code § 892

"Any person... who violates or fails to obey any lawful general order or regulation... shall be punished..."
Key: Lawful orders only. Refusal of an unlawful order is not a violation.


Real Cases That Set the Standard​

United States v. Calley (1971) – My Lai Massacre Lt. William Calley was convicted for murdering unarmed Vietnamese civilians under orders.

Verdict: Following manifestly unlawful orders is not a defense.

United States v. Keenan (1969) Pfc. Keenan killed a civilian under a direct order from a sergeant.

Court ruling: "A soldier is not a robot. He is a reasoning agent. The law does not permit a soldier to obey an order that he knows, or should know, is illegal."

Nuremberg Principle IV (International Law)​

"The fact that a person acted pursuant to the order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him."
Takeaway: If you can recognize that an order is wrong, you're not only allowed to refuse — you're expected to.


What to Do If You Receive an Unlawful Order​

  1. Ask for clarification Politely ask the superior to explain how the order aligns with UCMJ or ROE.
  2. Document everything Keep records: time, date, location, order content, witnesses, and your response.
  3. Report it Use your chain of command or report directly to the Inspector General (IG).
  4. Get legal help immediately Request a JAG attorney. Do not provide statements until you’ve been advised.

Legal Protection for Refusal and Reporting​

You are legally protected from retaliation for reporting unlawful actions.

10 U.S. Code § 1034 – Military Whistleblower Protection Act Protects service members who report:

  • Illegal orders
  • Violations of UCMJ or federal law
  • Fraud, abuse, or misconduct

Support Organizations You Can Contact​

GI Rights Hotline

Military Law Task Force (MLTF)

Center on Conscience & War

National Whistleblower Center


Mental and Emotional Support​

You’re not weak for being stressed — this is serious. These resources exist to support your well-being:

  • Military OneSource – 1-800-342-9647 (free, 24/7 counseling)
  • VA Vet Centers – Mental health, trauma, and moral injury help
  • Chaplains – 100% confidential spiritual support

Legal and Moral Foundations at a Glance​

  • UCMJ Articles 90, 91, 92: Only lawful orders are enforceable
  • DoD Law of War Manual § 18.6.1: Duty to disobey unlawful orders
  • Nuremberg Principle IV: You’re personally accountable under international law
  • 10 U.S. Code § 1034: You are protected if you speak out

Final Message to All Service Members​

You did not swear an oath to a commander. You swore an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States.

Following a clearly unlawful order doesn’t protect you — it makes you legally and morally responsible.

Refusing such an order is not insubordination. It is:

  • Leadership
  • Honor
  • Courage
  • Constitutionally backed military service
If you or someone you know is in this situation: speak up, write it down, seek support, and do not stay silent.

You are not alone. You are protected. And you are doing the right thing.

Please share, repost, and spread this to help educate support, and save our brothers and sisters in arms from becoming victims of ignorance​

 
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