Can you libs not agree with anything Trump said in his SOTU speech?

[BluesLegend]

It started right out with Rep. Al Green being so disruptive that they threw him out of the session. And it looks like he will be fined for it as well. I hope the fine is like $35,000.

As punishment he should have to change Joe's diapers for a week.

 

[Ringo]

As punishment he should have to change Joe's diapers for a week.

 

[BluesLegend]

You're not going to be a successful American political party if your goal is to tear down America.
Americans aren't going to like that. There will not be much support for anything like that. At all.

Sowing division and fomenting hate and fear mongering is the last desperate gasps of a dying Dem party.

 

[cnm]

$15 would mean less jobs. And further continue the kiosk employee replacement. And prices would go up to reflect the higher wage cost.
So, no it would not help

American tourists here love the non tipping culture. They find it gives them freedom.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Then Social Security. I admit, there is a problem, the triggers were never indexed for inflation. But the revenue from those taxes is important. Just adjust the triggers, the wholesale elimination of that revenue benefits only the highest income earners.

I'll admit taxing SS is a head scratcher until you think through it. It appears that the left had of government is providing a benefit (SSA) and the right hand of government is taking a percentage back as Income Tax (IRS).

SS Benefits are reported on an SSA-1099, that then goes into Income Tax calculations and the level of reduction is based on other income thresholds (as you pointed out). Income Taxes paid on SS Benefits are then returned to the SSA to help fund current benefits, reducing deductions from the SS Trust Fund. Eliminating the Income Tax on SS Benefits will accelerate the draw down on the SS Trust Fund exhausting the reserves earlier.

If there were to be an elimination of SS Benefit Income Tax there were need to be a flat reduction as a percentage to then reset the benefit baseline for each individual to keep the change revenue neutral. Problem is that reduction would hit those that are below the threshold (and therefore don't pay Income Tax on SS Benefits) the hardest. SS Recipients who have higher incomes would be the least impacted as a change in SS Benefits to remove the Income Tax burden - they are already paying - to be replaced by a slightly smaller SS Benefits amount.

Since the "triggers" (listed below) are very low, they should be increased. But that results in a reduction in benefit funding revenue.

WW


50% for individual income >$25K
50% for married filing jointly income >$32K
85% for individual income > $34K
85% for married filing jointly income > $44K

 

[WorldWatcher]

No tax on tips, overtime or Social Security is PEANUTS for working people. A minimum wage of at least $15 per hour would give them a LOT more money than no tax on tips, or overtime. While reducing earned income credits, and reliance on food stamps and other government supports.

Not a big supporter of a Federal Minimum wage. To much variation in a one size fits all solution.

Minimum wage should be set by the State Legislature which is more responsive to the cost of living in that state.


WW

 

[DukeU]

What about that boy that beat brain cancer? Was he like God intended him to be?

 

[M14 Shooter]

How can anyone support such a low life, classless, lying prick???
His supposed State of the Union was a lying campaign speech, bashing half of Americans....he's a dickhead, and you think he should be supported by the people he spent 90 minutes, bullying and insulting?

Your hatred renders you irrelevant.
Enjoy the back of the bus.

 

[DukeU]

No tax on tips, overtime or Social Security is PEANUTS for working people. A minimum wage of at least $15 per hour would give them a LOT more money than no tax on tips, or overtime. While reducing earned income credits, and reliance on food stamps and other government supports.

A $15 dollar MW would knock most of these people out of a job.

How would that help?

 

[M14 Shooter]

I'll admit taxing SS is a head scratcher until you think through it.

SS is an insurance policy against old age.
Payouts from insurance are not income; as such, social security benefits should not be taxed at all.

 

[JGalt]

/——/ TDS prevents democRATs from agreeing with Trump on anything.
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How TDS works:

 

[cnm]

SS is an insurance policy against old age.
Payouts from insurance are not income; as such, social security benefits should not be taxed at all.

Don't tell me that's not what you voted for...

 

[M14 Shooter]

Don't tell me that's not what you voted for...

Um... what?

 

[JohnDB]

 

[alang1216]

So I have been reading posts and don’t see a lib agreeing with anything. Is there anything?

I didn't listen to it since I never believe anything Trump says so what is the point.

I’ll start with two things Trump said.

Trump proposed eliminating taxes on waitress tips, overtime, and SS. Libs always complain that the middle class get no breaks, but what about working overtime? Those are hourly jobs, held by poor, working class and some middle class. Retirees also have limited incomes. What happened to giving a break to these people?

I'm all for cutting taxes, who isn't, especially on the lower and middle class but I have concerns:

• will the cuts balloon the deficit or will there be spending cuts or real economic growth?
• will the cuts be included in a bill that offers cuts to corporations and the wealthy?
• will there be an adverse affect on the workers
  • waitresses getting paid less to offset their extra tip income
  • increased mandatory overtime so employers can pay less to employees
    

Trump also said that kids are okay the way they were made. He was discussing people attempt to turn little kids into transsexuals. They panned the crowd and two men did not clap. What kind of man abuses kids to the point of making him a freak of nature? Certainly, normal people should be able to agree on that, should they not?

What you really are asking is for the government to substitute its ideology for the choices parents have to make in the interests of their child. Generally I'd guess the parents are ones in the best position to know what is best for their child.

 

[M14 Shooter]

What you really are asking is for the government to substitute its ideology for the choices parents have to make in the interests of their child. Generally I'd guess the parents are ones in the best position to know what is best for their child.

No...
He's taking the position that the government should protect children from parents who believe they know their child is not what his DNA says he is and wants to permanently alter said child to that effect
How can anyone oppose that?

 

[alang1216]

No...
He's taking the position that the government should protect children from parents who believe they know their child is not what his DNA says he is and wants to permanently alter said child to that effect
How can anyone oppose that?

Doesn’t matter what the child or parents want or what therapists recommend? The government knows better and has one perfect solution for every single child? You have way more faith in government than I do.
Have you ever been a parent? Did you approve of the covid mandates too?

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

No, I don't support getting rid of taxes on tips. It's not that I don't think that lower wage workers shouldn't pay less, it's that it's the WRONG WAY OF DOING IT.

It's better of you do this: "if you don't earn this much a year, you don't pay income tax, if you earn less than a higher amount, you only pay this much" Problem solved, it's not new, but it's a fairer system.

I don't think anyone under the age of 18 should be able to get transgender surgery. However I think than the mental issues of the US need to be dealt with better AND I think that a lot more needs to be done to make gay people and those with identity issues more ingrained within society, rather than the right wing pounding on them.

So, the problems with Trump is he parrots what the further right says, and they often say things for the wrong reasons, and those reasons are often "it costs too much"

Yes! Because all money MUST be funneled through politicians first!

 

[Dekster]

So I have been reading posts and don’t see a lib agreeing with anything. Is there anything?

I’ll start with two things Trump said.

Trump proposed eliminating taxes on waitress tips, overtime, and SS. Libs always complain that the middle class get no breaks, but what about working overtime? Those are hourly jobs, held by poor, working class and some middle class. Retirees also have limited incomes. What happened to giving a break to these people?

Trump also said that kids are okay the way they were made. He was discussing people attempt to turn little kids into transsexuals. They panned the crowd and two men did not clap. What kind of man abuses kids to the point of making him a freak of nature? Certainly, normal people should be able to agree on that, should they not?

I totally agree that there is someone 360 years old getting social security. They deserve it though having founded this country.

 

[d0gbreath]

I believed him when he said that elon musk is the top guy director of DOGE. Also when he claimed that un-elected bureaucrats will no longer be running the government.