- Thread starter
- #101
You are turning in circles mate, as I had already stated:
Being of Roma ancestry - concludes that you are of Indian decent - intermixed with I wouldn't know what, other or how many other ethnicity - obviously you also don't know.
In Germany you wouldn't be considered to be a Central European - and therefore you would not be considered to be a White
In the USA you would be considered to be a member of the Caucasian group - since they obviously pack everyone who doesn't identify as an Asian, Black or native Red-Indian into Caucasian.
Skin pigmentation is not necessarily decisive onto a race or ethnic definition, there are also quite dark skinned people amongst e.g. Bavarian's - but there are also distinctive features that designate a Central European, features that you do not share with central Europeans.
And it goes also beyond ethnics - e.g. a German born in Bavaria is automatically registered as a Bavarian - the moment it becomes apparent that this person can't speak Bavarian and doesn't understand certain customs, he is referred to as a migrant Bavarian. and as such not recognized as an authentic Bavarian.
As such even if you are designated as a Caucasian in the USA - an American of Central European heritage will identify himself as a White, but he won't place you into the same group.
You kind of remind me off a Turkish Bavarian I met in the Air-force, born in Bavaria and who spoke fluent one of the Bavarian dialects and knew most of the customs. He is light skinned and he desperately tried to tell everyone - hey I am a Bavarian just like you, look I am eating pork sausage. Well sorry for him he simply isn't an authentic Bavarian. If he would just have carried on his own life - no one would have bothered about him - speaks Bavarian, eats pork sausage and is a decent and funny fellow, right lets go and have a beer.
Okay, I admit the name Mehmet Gökhan wasn't realty helpful in his quest either, nor his features. And if you mix up different dialect words in Bavarian you become "suspicious" in the eyes of an authentic Bavarian.
Yes we are turning into circles, i dont deny im of indian descent but you say im "indian intermixed with other ethnicities" i could say im european mixed with indian, that would be more correct, since both my haplogroups are european, and my genome is 80% european or around that percent but much more then half, and only 10-20% indian, i also have middle eastern DNA like turkish, iranian, levantine etc. But Im not simply a mix of indian and european or european and indian, that is too simplicistic to describe the roma, that could be a half pakistani half english person too but would be very different then a typical roma or me. I dont go around telling people Im just as Bavarian as you, though or just as White as you. I think Roma need to be more present and visible, I know even if the government decides to place the roma as white, or as asian or whatever they still would be seen as roma, or as different though. I know that, but I guess we need still a lable and a category for them. In the UK Roma are under the White category but as "roma" there are three roma ethnicites all under the white category, gypsy(romanichal), roma and irish traveller, those are 3 seperate ethnicites all under the white category. Then there is white britsh/irish and white other like german or polish. I also do not understand why you need to be central european or german or bavarian to be white what if you are swedish or northern european?