Zone1 Can We Agree Consent is primary?

[Mr. Friscus]

The term "consent" brings forth very sexual intonations, and it can be an issue in sexual dynamics. We've seen it be a major issue with rape claims. A woman claims she never consented to sex she had. We've even seen modern leftists say that if a man and a woman are drunk, the woman isn't able to consent so it's rape.

However, "consent" doesn't just apply to sex, it applies to what happens to your body. And we've established in our society that if you're below the age of 18, you cannot consent. A 17 year old girl can have sex with a man who is 366 days older than his 17th birthday and be convicted of rape. Hell,We've even established when people are too young to get their bodies permanently scarred by a tattoo..

So, given all of this, I think based on precedent (and recent pushback from woke propaganda), it's safe to say that young girl shouldn't be able to "consent" to having her boobs chopped off, nor should a young boy be able to "consent" to having his dick chopped off and a large wound be purposefully inserted between his legs.

I know it takes time for new ideologies to phase out, and our society can be ashamed of what we considered. I mean, we performed lobotomies on people, and assumed babies couldn't feel pain and performed surgery on them without anesthesia. We screw things up as we go along in life inside our culture.

But, I think it's safe to say we know the grooming, convincing, or secret dwelling of a child's gender confusion by parents, school teachers, psychologists, psychiatrists, or doctors is impeding on that person's ability to consent.

As we've heard from feminists and the woke left, "Consent" is king, so truly, they should be on board with rallying with me to fight against those who would violate a person who isn't able to consent.

Am I right? JoeB131 LOL

 

[Crepitus]

The term "consent" brings forth very sexual intonations, and it can be an issue in sexual dynamics. We've seen it be a major issue with rape claims. A woman claims she never consented to sex she had. We've even seen modern leftists say that if a man and a woman are drunk, the woman isn't able to consent so it's rape.

However, "consent" doesn't just apply to sex, it applies to what happens to your body. And we've established in our society that if you're below the age of 18, you cannot consent. A 17 year old girl can have sex with a man who is 366 days older than his 17th birthday and be convicted of rape. Hell,We've even established when people are too young to get their bodies permanently scarred by a tattoo..

So, given all of this, I think based on precedent (and recent pushback from woke propaganda), it's safe to say that young girl shouldn't be able to "consent" to having her boobs chopped off, nor should a young boy be able to "consent" to having his dick chopped off and a large wound be purposefully inserted between his legs.

I know it takes time for new ideologies to phase out, and our society can be ashamed of what we considered. I mean, we performed lobotomies on people, and assumed babies couldn't feel pain and performed surgery on them without anesthesia. We screw things up as we go along in life inside our culture.

But, I think it's safe to say we know the grooming, convincing, or secret dwelling of a child's gender confusion by parents, school teachers, psychologists, psychiatrists, or doctors is impeding on that person's ability to consent.

As we've heard from feminists and the woke left, "Consent" is king, so truly, they should be on board with rallying with me to fight against those who would violate a person who isn't able to consent.

Am I right? JoeB131 LOL

Your opening paragraph is utter bullshit and rendered the rest of your silly post useless.

Well done!

 

[LibertyWeeps]

On the flip side of this........

Police, Judges, Lawyers, teachers, and doctors claim they don't need "consent" from the parents or guardians of ANY underage kid in order to do things to their children they want.....regardless of what the kid wants. Which includes going against the HIPAA laws and publicizing under age kids health/welfare records in order to gain sympathy for their Nazi causes of mutilation, testing, and practicing their heinous atrocities on children.

 

[gtopa1]

Your opening paragraph is utter bullshit and rendered the rest of your silly post useless.

Well done!

Kids can't give INFORMED consent. But you're over 18yo. Go mutilate yourself to your heart's content.

Greg

 

[BULLDOG]

The term "consent" brings forth very sexual intonations, and it can be an issue in sexual dynamics. We've seen it be a major issue with rape claims. A woman claims she never consented to sex she had. We've even seen modern leftists say that if a man and a woman are drunk, the woman isn't able to consent so it's rape.

However, "consent" doesn't just apply to sex, it applies to what happens to your body. And we've established in our society that if you're below the age of 18, you cannot consent. A 17 year old girl can have sex with a man who is 366 days older than his 17th birthday and be convicted of rape. Hell,We've even established when people are too young to get their bodies permanently scarred by a tattoo..

So, given all of this, I think based on precedent (and recent pushback from woke propaganda), it's safe to say that young girl shouldn't be able to "consent" to having her boobs chopped off, nor should a young boy be able to "consent" to having his dick chopped off and a large wound be purposefully inserted between his legs.

I know it takes time for new ideologies to phase out, and our society can be ashamed of what we considered. I mean, we performed lobotomies on people, and assumed babies couldn't feel pain and performed surgery on them without anesthesia. We screw things up as we go along in life inside our culture.

But, I think it's safe to say we know the grooming, convincing, or secret dwelling of a child's gender confusion by parents, school teachers, psychologists, psychiatrists, or doctors is impeding on that person's ability to consent.

As we've heard from feminists and the woke left, "Consent" is king, so truly, they should be on board with rallying with me to fight against those who would violate a person who isn't able to consent.

Am I right? JoeB131 LOL

You think the young make that decision independently, without informed consent from their parents, psychologists, and their doctors?

 

[White 6]

You think the young make that decision independently, without informed consent from their parents, psychologists, and their doctors?

Personally, I figure the gender and genitalia you are born with, is probably not a birth defect, but being kids, they are very impressionable. So, the dangers and long term effects, should rule out intervention for the supposed good of the child. But, PJ and I only raised three relatively well-adjusted successful kids, so what do I know.

 

[westwall]

You think the young make that decision independently, without informed consent from their parents, psychologists, and their doctors?

They aren't capable of fully understanding the ramifications of their decisions.

That's the point.

 

[Augustine_]

Your opening paragraph is utter bullshit and rendered the rest of your silly post useless.

Well done!

These people don't think anything of rape. The way an ISIS operative thinks of women is little different than how MAGA thinks of them.

 

[gtopa1]

You think the young make that decision independently, without informed consent from their parents, psychologists, and their doctors?

No; they CANNOT!!! Mutilating kids is NOT medicine; it is disgusting!!!

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Personally, I figure the gender and genitalia you are born with, is probably not a birth defect, but being kids, they are very impressionable. So, the dangers and long term effects, should rule out intervention for the supposed good of the child. But, PJ and I only raised three relatively well-adjusted successful kids, so what do I know.

You know LOTS; not that I agree with all of it.

Greg

 

[Mr. Friscus]

On the flip side of this........

Police, Judges, Lawyers, teachers, and doctors claim they don't need "consent" from the parents or guardians of ANY underage kid in order to do things to their children they want.....regardless of what the kid wants.

Let's address your "flip side"

You complain that all the people you listed can make people of "ANY" age do what the people in charge want.. that's your complaint?

Well, here's the truth. There are laws in our society, and when you break them, you are held accountable. That's pretty obvious to most of us, but you seem to want to paint it as "other people making children do whatever they want".

Now, there are also laws for parents. Child Protective Services exist for a reason. So if a parent breaks their child's consent, they are culpable to judgment, are they not?

Which includes going against the HIPAA laws and publicizing under age kids health/welfare records in order to gain sympathy for their Nazi causes of mutilation, testing, and practicing their heinous atrocities on children.

No idea how these instances relate to our discussion.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

You think the young make that decision independently, without informed consent from their parents, psychologists, and their doctors?

No, they are coaxed by their parents, psychologist, doctors, teachers, etc. to participate in actions that harm them long term before they can consent.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

These people don't think anything of rape. The way an ISIS operative thinks of women is little different than how MAGA thinks of them.

Do you think children should be convinced to castrate and mutilate themselves (if they momentarily verbally desire it) or not

 

[Augustine_]

Do you think children should be convinced to castrate and mutilate themselves (if they momentarily verbally desire it) or not

What you describe doesn't happen. But something that does happen is that Christians in the U.S. lead the world in circumcisions.

 

[westwall]

What you describe doesn't happen. But something that does happen is that Christians in the U.S. lead the world in circumcisions.

The lawsuits against the surgeons who mutilated children prove you are lying.

 

[BULLDOG]

No, they are coaxed by their parents, psychologist, doctors, teachers, etc. to participate in actions that harm them long term before they can consent.

Oh my. What could any kid possibly do to cause so many adults to join forces in a conspiracy to destroy the kid's life?

 

[Augustine_]

The lawsuits against the surgeons who mutilated children prove you are lying.

Whatever is happening in your sick and dying imagination must be so scary for you

 

[Unkotare]

On the flip side of this........

Police, Judges, Lawyers, teachers, and doctors claim they don't need "consent" from the parents or guardians of ANY underage kid in order to do things to their children they want.....regardless of what the kid wants. Which includes going against the HIPAA laws and publicizing under age kids health/welfare records in order to gain sympathy for their Nazi causes of mutilation, testing, and practicing their heinous atrocities on children.

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[JoeB131]

The term "consent" brings forth very sexual intonations, and it can be an issue in sexual dynamics. We've seen it be a major issue with rape claims. A woman claims she never consented to sex she had. We've even seen modern leftists say that if a man and a woman are drunk, the woman isn't able to consent so it's rape.

However, "consent" doesn't just apply to sex, it applies to what happens to your body. And we've established in our society that if you're below the age of 18, you cannot consent. A 17 year old girl can have sex with a man who is 366 days older than his 17th birthday and be convicted of rape. Hell,We've even established when people are too young to get their bodies permanently scarred by a tattoo..

Well, no, actually. You kind of get this one wrong right off the bat. Age of consent varies from state to state. Most states it's actually 16. Very few states require you to wait until you are 18 to have the sexy fun times.

Most states also have "Romeo and Juliet" laws that prevent the exact kind of scenario you lay out of teens being criminally prosecuted for being horny teens.

FURTHERMORE, when a teen commits an awful crime, you "conservatives" are the first ones to demand he be tried as an adult. Heck, until SCOTUS outlawed it, we were one of the few countries that still executed people for crimes they committed as children.

So your argument is flawed right off the bat.

So, given all of this, I think based on precedent (and recent pushback from woke propaganda), it's safe to say that young girl shouldn't be able to "consent" to having her boobs chopped off, nor should a young boy be able to "consent" to having his dick chopped off and a large wound be purposefully inserted between his legs.

Um, by your logic, a minor shouldn't be able to consent to ANY surgery. Of course, very few minors are getting ANY kind of GAC, and the few who do have their parents on board, in most cases, unless their parental rights have been suspended.

You will complain about the 5000 or so gender dysphoric minors getting hormone treatments, but have no problem with millions of even younger kids being given SSRIs to make them more manageable in the classroom.

I know it takes time for new ideologies to phase out, and our society can be ashamed of what we considered. I mean, we performed lobotomies on people, and assumed babies couldn't feel pain and performed surgery on them without anesthesia. We screw things up as we go along in life inside our culture.

And it might be at some point, we may consider that GAC wasn't the right way to treat Gender Dysphoria. But all the Scientific evidence at THIS point (when you get the religious objections out of the way) indicates that it provides benefits.

Why is it that when a conservative can't really make a case against the thing he opposes, he compares it to something else?

But, I think it's safe to say we know the grooming, convincing, or secret dwelling of a child's gender confusion by parents, school teachers, psychologists, psychiatrists, or doctors is impeding on that person's ability to consent.

As we've heard from feminists and the woke left, "Consent" is king, so truly, they should be on board with rallying with me to fight against those who would violate a person who isn't able to consent.

Um. No. This is kind of your hangup, not anyone else's.

The fact is, only 1% of people who undergo GAC regret it later.

 

[westwall]

Whatever is happening in your sick and dying imagination must be so scary for you

Oh, my imagination is quite healthy. But we aren't talking about that. We are talking about children mutilated so that some freak can make money forever from that destruction.