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Can The World Stop Mass Starvation in Ukraine?

Big Bend Texas

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I agree about Mariupol. It is my hope that once taken, Putin will see fit to go to cease-fire talks and an eventual settlement having seized a corridor to Crimea and sole possession of the Sea of Azov. He will be able to claim "liberation" of Russian-speaking territory and not involve himself in the occupation of a Ukrainian rump state.
That doesn't appear to be his intent and the Ukrainians are far from defeated.

This invasion will ruin him and Russia no mater how the spoils are divided.

The civilized world cannot turn a blind eye to all of the war crimes being committed and Russia will pay and pay dearly as a result.

Putin will be lucky if he can ever set foot outside of Russia again without facing arrest or assassination.
 

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Where are they? Who isn't feeding them? In what state, or city are there not resources for the poor to get food?
There are no starving children in the US..at least none that matters.....right?

But whenever someone brings up "what about the starving children here" -- I like to remind them that to the extent any child is hungry or in poverty -- REPUBLICANS are the MAIN ONES OPPOSED to using federal funds to helping those children...

But have no problems using that money to make the lives of the privileged, more privileged......MLK was right about that....and he still is....

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From what I understand, Romania tried sending humanitarian aid to Mariupol over the Black Sea, but the helicopters were shot down. (yupper, a NATO countries planes were shot down by Russia: nato and sleepy joe already moved the goal posts for that red line not to cross).

Besides, in Mariupol, as I'm typing this, there are Chechnian mercenaries going door to door. Are they there to take prisoners? Very unlikely...they would have to feed them and keep them under guard. Most likely, they are lining up any men of fighting age and executing them. They may be sending some of the females to camps in Russia as reported in other southern russian controlled areas. To date, nobody has heard from the ones they bussed off to Russia, so their fate is unknown.
 

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There are no starving children in the US..at least none that matters.....right?

But whenever someone brings up "what about the starving children here" -- I like to remind them that to the extent any child is hungry or in poverty -- REPUBLICANS are the MAIN ONES OPPOSED to using federal funds to helping those children...

But have no problems using that money to make the lives of the privileged, more privileged......MLK was right about that....and he still is....

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Another fabrication.

Where are these starving kids? What State, or City has no programs allowing them to get fed?

Where republicans get their hair up is the constantly expannding "Social Safetynet" and the ever rising definition of "poverty".

Those living in poverty in the US would be considered upper middle class in 2/3 of the world.

Starvation isn't a problem here unless it's a matter of child neglect.
 

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From what I understand, Romania tried sending humanitarian aid to Mariupol over the Black Sea, but the helicopters were shot down. (yupper, a NATO countries planes were shot down by Russia: nato and sleepy joe already moved the goal posts for that red line not to cross).
Not that I can find anywhere and if that happened it would be the biggest story on the planet right now because we'd be facing an Article 5 crisis immediately.
 

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All of the starving children in America who are living in poverty??

We thought about them when Republicans tried time and time again to cut every program targeted at helping those starving children...

So yea, what about starving children in America?
Have you ever seen Haitians? This is an American-Haitian "child":

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Think of all the starving children and families with children here in America who are living in poverty and suffering micro apocalypses of their own. How in the world will we ever get food to them when the in vogue and trending crocodile tears of the day are shed for people living far across the Atlantic?
Think of all the starving children and families with children here in America who are living in poverty
Yet they live with a roof over their head, meals provided by Uncle Sugar, clothing, internet, free education(indoctrination), free phones, just cant see them being like the rest of the world's poor.

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All of the starving children in America who are living in poverty??

We thought about them when Republicans tried time and time again to cut every program targeted at helping those starving children...

So yea, what about starving children in America?
Yeah, they sure look like they are starving..

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All of the starving children in America who are living in poverty??

We thought about them when Republicans tried time and time again to cut every program targeted at helping those starving children...

So yea, what about starving children in America?
LOL

The programs you speak of do nothing to alleviate the hungry but are instead, designed as dependency programs.

You don't spend your way out of hunger. You grow your way out.
 

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All you'll accomplish with this is getting a hell of a lot of planes full of relief supplies shot down and a lot of dead volunteers.

The only way to stop this is to stop Putin.
So, we're supposed to care again? We're supposed to get involved in the World again?

For 20 years, we've been told we're warmongering meddlers who need to stop being the world's police force and supermarket.

Now! Now we can get involved again? It's okay with the left for us to get involved again?
 

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When a military has to rely on attacking civilians and starving women and children, they are showing the world how weak they are. That is what Pootin is doing right now. He IS a War Criminal.
 

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You can't fly under the radar of ground based systems like the BUK and ZSU-23-4 since they are on the ground literally at head height.

The AK47 also shot down an enormous number of planes and helicopters in Vietnam.

As much as we wish something like this could be done, it can't be as long as the hostilities continue.

If Putin is willing to let civilians starve, freeze, and die for lack of water to accomplish his goals it will serve only to warn the rest of the former Soviet States the fate that awaits them and to further force NATO's European members to arm up.

When it's all said and done he will have destroyed his own country economically, much of his military equipment, and he won't be able to leave Russia unless he wants to face a War Crimes Trial.

He's willing to do anything short of launching nukes and actually wants as much civilian suffering and death as possible. That way if he can keep what he's taken he'll have fewer insurgents to deal with in the future.
Pootin is a War Criminal...he will pay for the death and destruction he is causing with his unprovoked war. I really suspect he has been given a terminal diagnosis and is willing to leave a legacy rivaling Hitler and Stalin.
 

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From what I understand, Romania tried sending humanitarian aid to Mariupol over the Black Sea, but the helicopters were shot down. (yupper, a NATO countries planes were shot down by Russia: nato and sleepy joe already moved the goal posts for that red line not to cross).
 

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Pootin is a War Criminal...he will pay for the death and destruction he is causing with his unprovoked war. I really suspect he has been given a terminal diagnosis and is willing to leave a legacy rivaling Hitler and Stalin.
That would be nice but it's prety apparent he's just trying to establish a legacy in history as a conqueror who rebuilt the Russian Empire.

That's what he promised the Kremlin and the Russian people with his first election speech over 20 years ago and thanks to our own stupid domestic energy policies through much of this century he was able to build up a war chest sufficient to start on that path now.
 

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All you'll accomplish with this is getting a hell of a lot of planes full of relief supplies shot down and a lot of dead volunteers.

The only way to stop this is to stop Putin.

Wrong.
It is the US who started this all deliberately, so the only way to end this is to end US involvement, or assassinate the crook Zelensky.
Putin has nothing at all to do with this, and any and all Russian leaders would have to finish off Zelensky if Putin were to disappear instantly.
 

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In Ukraine right now it means entire cities flattened and cut off from resupply.

Which is why Zelensky should NOT have deliberately caused this war by cutting off negotiations.
The Ukraine can not possibly "win", and should then not have deliberately started this.

What the Ukraine should do is imprison Zelensky, pay back the stolen oil, let the Donetsk go free, and stop trying to join NATO.
 

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Pootin is a War Criminal...he will pay for the death and destruction he is causing with his unprovoked war. I really suspect he has been given a terminal diagnosis and is willing to leave a legacy rivaling Hitler and Stalin.

That is a stupid lie.
Zelensky is the one who deliberately started this war by stealing oil, violating treaties, murdering 14k ethnic Russians, trying to put NATO nukes on Russia's border, and deliberately cutting off negotiations.

Not only does Putin have no choice at all, but any and all Russian leaders would have to have done exactly the same.
The only way lives could have been saved would have been to take out Kyiv even faster.
 

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That would be nice but it's prety apparent he's just trying to establish a legacy in history as a conqueror who rebuilt the Russian Empire.

That's what he promised the Kremlin and the Russian people with his first election speech over 20 years ago and thanks to our own stupid domestic energy policies through much of this century he was able to build up a war chest sufficient to start on that path now.

That is just insanely stupid.
Russia is and always has been way to big already.
And the truth is obviously that Putin simply does not want to go down in history as the idiot who let NATO nukes be put on Russia's border.
The ONLY reason for nukes that close is always for an intended first strike.
 

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When a military has to rely on attacking civilians and starving women and children, they are showing the world how weak they are. That is what Pootin is doing right now. He IS a War Criminal.

Wrong.
If Putin wanted to "rely on attacking civilians and starving women and children", then he would have concentrated on population centers, instead of bypassing them the way he has tried to do.

Since Zelensky deliberately started this war by cutting off negotiations, it is clear you are lying.
It is Zelensky who is the war criminal.
He committed half a dozen acts of war that could not be ignored.
He stole oil, violated treaties, cut off negotiations, murdered ethnic Russians, tried to put NATO nukes on Russia's border, etc.
 

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