Can Obama save the Democrats?

[Oldstyle]

When Trump won in 2016, I expressed concern that the blowback from the hardcore Left would be so strong that the Democratic Party would be taken over by the illiberal, authoritarian Regressive Left, leaving us with one truly fucked up choice in 2020.

If the Democrats had played it safe in 2008, Obama never would have gotten the nomination.

Playing it safe is a sure way to lose.

There is no one the Democrats could nominate that would be worse than a continuation of the daily horror show that is Trump. That you Vichy Liberals on Wall Street are more afraid of Liz Warren making you share than what the crazy man might do with those nukes.... that's on you.

Really, Joey? Still going with the "can't trust Trump with the nukes cause he's CRAZY!" narrative?

Wall Street is "afraid" of Liz Warren because her economic policies will put us into a major recession and she really won't care!

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

When Trump won in 2016, I expressed concern that the blowback from the hardcore Left would be so strong that the Democratic Party would be taken over by the illiberal, authoritarian Regressive Left, leaving us with one truly fucked up choice in 2020.

So, bang, here we are. Obama sees it, too: Obama looms over divided Democratic primary

So, can Obama save the party?

His latest remarks came last week as Obama met with party donors in California, where he urged Democrats to “chill out” about the primary contest and prepare to rally behind the eventual nominee. But he also appeared to warn against calling for too drastic of change.

“When you listen to the average voter — even ones who aren’t stalwart Democrats, but who are more independent or are low-information voters — they don’t feel that things are working well, but they’re also nervous about changes that might take away what little they have,” Obama said.

For some Democrats, Obama’s remarks reinforced their concerns that the primary field has lurched too far to the left and that the party may be barreling toward a loss in 2020 unless it can unite behind a moderate nominee capable of appealing to a broader swath of voters in the general election.

“I think that to some extent Obama is the canary in the coal mine,” said Dick Harpootlian, a former chair of the South Carolina Democratic Party who is supporting former Vice President Joe Biden’s presidential bid. “He’s warning Democrats that if you buy an agenda that is not relevant or salable in November, you’re guaranteeing Donald Trump a second term.”
.

Michael Smerconish had a guess on discussing Obama remarks and it made me realize how far left Democrats have gone...

Obama is correct the Democrats ( especially Socialist Democrats ) need to chill but can Obama save them or have they lunged to the left that it is now Cortez and Sanders type Democrats and no longer Bill Clinton or even Joe Biden Democrats?

I say the party is lost...

Could be, but I've learned not to make extrapolations out too far. Things change.

The Democrats are going through something similar to what the GOP did with Trump. Back then we were talking about how the the party was splitting between the Trumpsters and the RINOs. The Trumpsters won, at least for now, but you never know.
.

Trump is the worst thing to happen to the Republican party, and when he leaves it will take decades before they recover.

Democrats seem to be heading more to the Cortez and Talib types than Clinton, Obama and Biden types.

That will never sell in Purple and Red America...

A pretty toxic mess right now, served up by the wings.
.

America seem happy with the toxic atmosphere in D.C. and across the nation.

The key for Democrats can they get Social Conservative Tejanos to flip Texas and if they can the Republican party is dead until it reinvents itself again...

As of now Warren will lose Texas badly and so will any Socialist Democrat, so Democrats are still years out of winning this State...

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Can Obama undo that which he created?

No

 

[Mac1958]

When Trump won in 2016, I expressed concern that the blowback from the hardcore Left would be so strong that the Democratic Party would be taken over by the illiberal, authoritarian Regressive Left, leaving us with one truly fucked up choice in 2020.

So, bang, here we are. Obama sees it, too: Obama looms over divided Democratic primary

So, can Obama save the party?

His latest remarks came last week as Obama met with party donors in California, where he urged Democrats to “chill out” about the primary contest and prepare to rally behind the eventual nominee. But he also appeared to warn against calling for too drastic of change.

“When you listen to the average voter — even ones who aren’t stalwart Democrats, but who are more independent or are low-information voters — they don’t feel that things are working well, but they’re also nervous about changes that might take away what little they have,” Obama said.

For some Democrats, Obama’s remarks reinforced their concerns that the primary field has lurched too far to the left and that the party may be barreling toward a loss in 2020 unless it can unite behind a moderate nominee capable of appealing to a broader swath of voters in the general election.

“I think that to some extent Obama is the canary in the coal mine,” said Dick Harpootlian, a former chair of the South Carolina Democratic Party who is supporting former Vice President Joe Biden’s presidential bid. “He’s warning Democrats that if you buy an agenda that is not relevant or salable in November, you’re guaranteeing Donald Trump a second term.”
.

Michael Smerconish had a guess on discussing Obama remarks and it made me realize how far left Democrats have gone...

Obama is correct the Democrats ( especially Socialist Democrats ) need to chill but can Obama save them or have they lunged to the left that it is now Cortez and Sanders type Democrats and no longer Bill Clinton or even Joe Biden Democrats?

I say the party is lost...

Could be, but I've learned not to make extrapolations out too far. Things change.

The Democrats are going through something similar to what the GOP did with Trump. Back then we were talking about how the the party was splitting between the Trumpsters and the RINOs. The Trumpsters won, at least for now, but you never know.
.

Trump is the worst thing to happen to the Republican party, and when he leaves it will take decades before they recover.

Democrats seem to be heading more to the Cortez and Talib types than Clinton, Obama and Biden types.

That will never sell in Purple and Red America...

A pretty toxic mess right now, served up by the wings.
.

America seem happy with the toxic atmosphere in D.C. and across the nation.

The key for Democrats can they get Social Conservative Tejanos to flip Texas and if they can the Republican party is dead until it reinvents itself again...

As of now Warren will lose Texas badly and so will any Socialist Democrat, so Democrats are still years out of winning this State...

I think it's a lot closer than it used to be, though.

When a state that large goes blue, this may be over.
.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

When Trump won in 2016, I expressed concern that the blowback from the hardcore Left would be so strong that the Democratic Party would be taken over by the illiberal, authoritarian Regressive Left, leaving us with one truly fucked up choice in 2020.

So, bang, here we are. Obama sees it, too: Obama looms over divided Democratic primary

So, can Obama save the party?

His latest remarks came last week as Obama met with party donors in California, where he urged Democrats to “chill out” about the primary contest and prepare to rally behind the eventual nominee. But he also appeared to warn against calling for too drastic of change.

“When you listen to the average voter — even ones who aren’t stalwart Democrats, but who are more independent or are low-information voters — they don’t feel that things are working well, but they’re also nervous about changes that might take away what little they have,” Obama said.

For some Democrats, Obama’s remarks reinforced their concerns that the primary field has lurched too far to the left and that the party may be barreling toward a loss in 2020 unless it can unite behind a moderate nominee capable of appealing to a broader swath of voters in the general election.

“I think that to some extent Obama is the canary in the coal mine,” said Dick Harpootlian, a former chair of the South Carolina Democratic Party who is supporting former Vice President Joe Biden’s presidential bid. “He’s warning Democrats that if you buy an agenda that is not relevant or salable in November, you’re guaranteeing Donald Trump a second term.”
.

Michael Smerconish had a guess on discussing Obama remarks and it made me realize how far left Democrats have gone...

Obama is correct the Democrats ( especially Socialist Democrats ) need to chill but can Obama save them or have they lunged to the left that it is now Cortez and Sanders type Democrats and no longer Bill Clinton or even Joe Biden Democrats?

I say the party is lost...

Could be, but I've learned not to make extrapolations out too far. Things change.

The Democrats are going through something similar to what the GOP did with Trump. Back then we were talking about how the the party was splitting between the Trumpsters and the RINOs. The Trumpsters won, at least for now, but you never know.
.

Trump is the worst thing to happen to the Republican party, and when he leaves it will take decades before they recover.

Democrats seem to be heading more to the Cortez and Talib types than Clinton, Obama and Biden types.

That will never sell in Purple and Red America...

A pretty toxic mess right now, served up by the wings.
.

America seem happy with the toxic atmosphere in D.C. and across the nation.

The key for Democrats can they get Social Conservative Tejanos to flip Texas and if they can the Republican party is dead until it reinvents itself again...

As of now Warren will lose Texas badly and so will any Socialist Democrat, so Democrats are still years out of winning this State...

Trump is in line to get up to 40% of the latino vote.

Flip Texas???

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Michael Smerconish had a guess on discussing Obama remarks and it made me realize how far left Democrats have gone...

Obama is correct the Democrats ( especially Socialist Democrats ) need to chill but can Obama save them or have they lunged to the left that it is now Cortez and Sanders type Democrats and no longer Bill Clinton or even Joe Biden Democrats?

I say the party is lost...

Could be, but I've learned not to make extrapolations out too far. Things change.

The Democrats are going through something similar to what the GOP did with Trump. Back then we were talking about how the the party was splitting between the Trumpsters and the RINOs. The Trumpsters won, at least for now, but you never know.
.

Trump is the worst thing to happen to the Republican party, and when he leaves it will take decades before they recover.

Democrats seem to be heading more to the Cortez and Talib types than Clinton, Obama and Biden types.

That will never sell in Purple and Red America...

A pretty toxic mess right now, served up by the wings.
.

America seem happy with the toxic atmosphere in D.C. and across the nation.

The key for Democrats can they get Social Conservative Tejanos to flip Texas and if they can the Republican party is dead until it reinvents itself again...

As of now Warren will lose Texas badly and so will any Socialist Democrat, so Democrats are still years out of winning this State...

I think it's a lot closer than it used to be, though.

When a state that large goes blue, this may be over.
.

They could flip it blue if they run a moderate not named Clinton but even then I can not see Biden winning Texas.

City levels have been blue for awhile while State levels stay red, so it will take someone that is not a Socialist Democrat to flip Texas but once Democrats figure that out the GOP are in trouble...

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Michael Smerconish had a guess on discussing Obama remarks and it made me realize how far left Democrats have gone...

Obama is correct the Democrats ( especially Socialist Democrats ) need to chill but can Obama save them or have they lunged to the left that it is now Cortez and Sanders type Democrats and no longer Bill Clinton or even Joe Biden Democrats?

I say the party is lost...

Could be, but I've learned not to make extrapolations out too far. Things change.

The Democrats are going through something similar to what the GOP did with Trump. Back then we were talking about how the the party was splitting between the Trumpsters and the RINOs. The Trumpsters won, at least for now, but you never know.
.

Trump is the worst thing to happen to the Republican party, and when he leaves it will take decades before they recover.

Democrats seem to be heading more to the Cortez and Talib types than Clinton, Obama and Biden types.

That will never sell in Purple and Red America...

A pretty toxic mess right now, served up by the wings.
.

America seem happy with the toxic atmosphere in D.C. and across the nation.

The key for Democrats can they get Social Conservative Tejanos to flip Texas and if they can the Republican party is dead until it reinvents itself again...

As of now Warren will lose Texas badly and so will any Socialist Democrat, so Democrats are still years out of winning this State...

Trump is in line to get up to 40% of the latino vote.

Flip Texas???

So Trump will win California and Illnois with that right?

No, you will be very upset in 2020 when you discover your polls were wrong once again.

The key is Warren is hated more than Trump, so Latino and Black voters might not vote instead...

 

[Mac1958]

Could be, but I've learned not to make extrapolations out too far. Things change.

The Democrats are going through something similar to what the GOP did with Trump. Back then we were talking about how the the party was splitting between the Trumpsters and the RINOs. The Trumpsters won, at least for now, but you never know.
.

Trump is the worst thing to happen to the Republican party, and when he leaves it will take decades before they recover.

Democrats seem to be heading more to the Cortez and Talib types than Clinton, Obama and Biden types.

That will never sell in Purple and Red America...

A pretty toxic mess right now, served up by the wings.
.

America seem happy with the toxic atmosphere in D.C. and across the nation.

The key for Democrats can they get Social Conservative Tejanos to flip Texas and if they can the Republican party is dead until it reinvents itself again...

As of now Warren will lose Texas badly and so will any Socialist Democrat, so Democrats are still years out of winning this State...

Trump is in line to get up to 40% of the latino vote.

Flip Texas???

So Trump will win California and Illnois with that right?

No, you will be very upset in 2020 when you discover your polls were wrong once again.

The key is Warren is hated more than Trump, so Latino and Black voters might not vote instead...

Well, that goes back to the article in the OP.

Does Obama have enough sway in the party to save it from itself? Evidently Warren is beginning to soften in the polls, and Biden is still out in front (even if Obama is not all that excited about him). So if the party can run a decent ticket, it's in much better shape.
.

 

[Votto]

When Trump won in 2016, I expressed concern that the blowback from the hardcore Left would be so strong that the Democratic Party would be taken over by the illiberal, authoritarian Regressive Left, leaving us with a truly fucked up choice in 2020.

So, bang, here we are. Obama sees it, too: Obama looms over divided Democratic primary

So, can Obama save the party?

His latest remarks came last week as Obama met with party donors in California, where he urged Democrats to “chill out” about the primary contest and prepare to rally behind the eventual nominee. But he also appeared to warn against calling for too drastic of change.

“When you listen to the average voter — even ones who aren’t stalwart Democrats, but who are more independent or are low-information voters — they don’t feel that things are working well, but they’re also nervous about changes that might take away what little they have,” Obama said.

For some Democrats, Obama’s remarks reinforced their concerns that the primary field has lurched too far to the left and that the party may be barreling toward a loss in 2020 unless it can unite behind a moderate nominee capable of appealing to a broader swath of voters in the general election.

“I think that to some extent Obama is the canary in the coal mine,” said Dick Harpootlian, a former chair of the South Carolina Democratic Party who is supporting former Vice President Joe Biden’s presidential bid. “He’s warning Democrats that if you buy an agenda that is not relevant or salable in November, you’re guaranteeing Donald Trump a second term.”
.

Well let's see, can Obama save the democrats?

Well who created this monster? It seems to me that Mr. Partisan shill who shoved a massive health care policy devoid of any Republican participation, Mr. RESIST at any cost has created the beast we have now. Oh, and I might add that this same democratic party is demanding to replace the health care system they all shoved down our collective throats and the ink is not even dry on the legislation. We tried to warn all of you ignorant fools.

You have to face some facts here, Obama is poison in it's purest form with a smile on his face, a twinkle in his eye, and a silk smooth tongue to boot while he is weaponizing the IRS to go after his political opponents in the shadows and buying off members of his own party not to run in the DNC primary, etc.

People like you just love this man, isn't that right? In fact, I don't think he has ever lost a political seat he did not sell to the highest bidder like they did in Chicago.

 

[Mac1958]

When Trump won in 2016, I expressed concern that the blowback from the hardcore Left would be so strong that the Democratic Party would be taken over by the illiberal, authoritarian Regressive Left, leaving us with a truly fucked up choice in 2020.

So, bang, here we are. Obama sees it, too: Obama looms over divided Democratic primary

So, can Obama save the party?

His latest remarks came last week as Obama met with party donors in California, where he urged Democrats to “chill out” about the primary contest and prepare to rally behind the eventual nominee. But he also appeared to warn against calling for too drastic of change.

“When you listen to the average voter — even ones who aren’t stalwart Democrats, but who are more independent or are low-information voters — they don’t feel that things are working well, but they’re also nervous about changes that might take away what little they have,” Obama said.

For some Democrats, Obama’s remarks reinforced their concerns that the primary field has lurched too far to the left and that the party may be barreling toward a loss in 2020 unless it can unite behind a moderate nominee capable of appealing to a broader swath of voters in the general election.

“I think that to some extent Obama is the canary in the coal mine,” said Dick Harpootlian, a former chair of the South Carolina Democratic Party who is supporting former Vice President Joe Biden’s presidential bid. “He’s warning Democrats that if you buy an agenda that is not relevant or salable in November, you’re guaranteeing Donald Trump a second term.”
.

Well let's see, can Obama save the democrats?

Well who created this monster? It seems to me that Mr. Partisan shill who shoved a massive health care policy devoid of any Republican participation, Mr. RESIST at any cost has created the beast we have now. Oh, and I might add that this same democratic party is demanding to replace the health care system they all shoved down our collective throats and the ink is not even dry on the legislation.

You have to face some facts here, Obama is poison in it's purest form with a smile on his face, a twinkle in his eye, and a silk smooth tongue to boot while he is weaponizing the IRS to go after his political opponents in the shadows and buying off members of his own party not to run in the DNC primary, etc.

People like you just love this man, isn't that right?

Elsewhere in this thread, I pointed out that his wins may have indirectly played a role in this.

I do like Obama, although I disagree with him on some issues.

Maybe we can drop the partisan talking points and keep the conversation interesting.
.

 

[Oddball]

When Trump won in 2016, I expressed concern that the blowback from the hardcore Left would be so strong that the Democratic Party would be taken over by the illiberal, authoritarian Regressive Left, leaving us with one truly fucked up choice in 2020.

So, bang, here we are. Obama sees it, too: Obama looms over divided Democratic primary

So, can Obama save the party?

His latest remarks came last week as Obama met with party donors in California, where he urged Democrats to “chill out” about the primary contest and prepare to rally behind the eventual nominee. But he also appeared to warn against calling for too drastic of change.

“When you listen to the average voter — even ones who aren’t stalwart Democrats, but who are more independent or are low-information voters — they don’t feel that things are working well, but they’re also nervous about changes that might take away what little they have,” Obama said.

For some Democrats, Obama’s remarks reinforced their concerns that the primary field has lurched too far to the left and that the party may be barreling toward a loss in 2020 unless it can unite behind a moderate nominee capable of appealing to a broader swath of voters in the general election.

“I think that to some extent Obama is the canary in the coal mine,” said Dick Harpootlian, a former chair of the South Carolina Democratic Party who is supporting former Vice President Joe Biden’s presidential bid. “He’s warning Democrats that if you buy an agenda that is not relevant or salable in November, you’re guaranteeing Donald Trump a second term.”
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How can he "save the party" when it was under his watch that the party's fortunes fell to generational lows? The Republicans took control of the majority of state and federal government during his leadership of the party and one could make the case the he shares some of the responsibility for Trump getting elected in the first place.

IMHO the Democrats probably need a Bill Clinton v2.0 to lead the party back towards the center not a encore of ex-President "It's all about Me and Nobody Else" Nimrod at the party helm.

In any case, personally I hope the Democrats destroy themselves with this nonsense and take the Republicans down to hell with 'em.

I think that's largely true.

My theory on this is that, when Obama won, the hardcore Lefties figured the battle was over -- that demographics would take over and the "change" they wanted to see was inevitable and imminent. Trump's win was so shocking to them that, well, they pretty much lost their shit. So it's that energy that has turned the party into whatever the hell it is today. So yeah, his wins may be playing a role in this.
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You have an interesting theory there Mac, you could be right.

Personally I just think it's Trump's abrasive personality and the fact that they didn't get there way that caused the dingbats on the left to "lose their shit". After all the left has a history of acting like spoiled, crack addled infants when elections don't go their way and throw in the fact that Donny constantly gives them the finger and you have the perfect recipe for .............

LEFTWING DINGBAT-MA-GEDDON.

Well yeah, there's definitely that. His behaviors rub salt in the wound. By the pound.

I know that's very gratifying for his supporters.
.

It's also very gratifying to those of us who've contended that the democrats are a bunch of overbearing infantile punks for decades, while fakes like Obama, Harry Reid, Tom Daschle, et.al., along with their brigade of media toadies, have put up the disingenuous front of civility.

Far from driving them batty, Trump has revealed their battiness.

 

[westwall]

When Trump won in 2016, I expressed concern that the blowback from the hardcore Left would be so strong that the Democratic Party would be taken over by the illiberal, authoritarian Regressive Left, leaving us with a truly fucked up choice in 2020.

So, bang, here we are. Obama sees it, too: Obama looms over divided Democratic primary

So, can Obama save the party?

His latest remarks came last week as Obama met with party donors in California, where he urged Democrats to “chill out” about the primary contest and prepare to rally behind the eventual nominee. But he also appeared to warn against calling for too drastic of change.

“When you listen to the average voter — even ones who aren’t stalwart Democrats, but who are more independent or are low-information voters — they don’t feel that things are working well, but they’re also nervous about changes that might take away what little they have,” Obama said.

For some Democrats, Obama’s remarks reinforced their concerns that the primary field has lurched too far to the left and that the party may be barreling toward a loss in 2020 unless it can unite behind a moderate nominee capable of appealing to a broader swath of voters in the general election.

“I think that to some extent Obama is the canary in the coal mine,” said Dick Harpootlian, a former chair of the South Carolina Democratic Party who is supporting former Vice President Joe Biden’s presidential bid. “He’s warning Democrats that if you buy an agenda that is not relevant or salable in November, you’re guaranteeing Donald Trump a second term.”
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Obummer started the swing in the first place.
He wasn't the first authoritarian in the presidents chair, but he was one of the worst.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Trump is the worst thing to happen to the Republican party, and when he leaves it will take decades before they recover.

Democrats seem to be heading more to the Cortez and Talib types than Clinton, Obama and Biden types.

That will never sell in Purple and Red America...

A pretty toxic mess right now, served up by the wings.
.

America seem happy with the toxic atmosphere in D.C. and across the nation.

The key for Democrats can they get Social Conservative Tejanos to flip Texas and if they can the Republican party is dead until it reinvents itself again...

As of now Warren will lose Texas badly and so will any Socialist Democrat, so Democrats are still years out of winning this State...

Trump is in line to get up to 40% of the latino vote.

Flip Texas???

So Trump will win California and Illnois with that right?

No, you will be very upset in 2020 when you discover your polls were wrong once again.

The key is Warren is hated more than Trump, so Latino and Black voters might not vote instead...

Well, that goes back to the article in the OP.

Does Obama have enough sway in the party to save it from itself? Evidently Warren is beginning to soften in the polls, and Biden is still out in front (even if Obama is not all that excited about him). So if the party can run a decent ticket, it's in much better shape.
.

Some are thinking Obama should endorse Bloomberg but I do not think that is wise.

Yes, I believe Bloomberg would be better suited as President over Trump, Warren, Biden or Sanders but Obama endorsing him my make the split in the party wider.

Pelosi need to get control of the party for it to have any chance of winning and even then I believe it is late!

 

[gtopa1]

I'd say ":No".

Greg

 

[Oddball]

I have to laugh, 44 is the main reason the democrats have swung so hard left as to be standing football fields away from center.
His policies, extreme views, and lack of world policies along with 'all me' caused the younger generation to slide sideways.

He tried to hand healthcare to the insurance companies on a silver platter. How liberal of him.

The "liberals" have been corporate stooges for decades....Their reputation of being for the "little guy" has been a fraud all along.

 

[Mac1958]

Some are thinking Obama should endorse Bloomberg but I do not think that is wise.

Holy crap, that would cause a shitstorm. Bloomberg is persona non grata with the Regressives, because it looks like he's jumping in to try and save a shitty field.

Pelosi to me is the most interesting character in ALL of this. She's in Paul Ryan's shoes right now, trying to keep everything together as they come apart at the seams. She's very pragmatic and calculating, and most of the party just isn't right now.
.

 

[eagle1462010]

America seem happy with the toxic atmosphere in D.C. and across the nation.

The key for Democrats can they get Social Conservative Tejanos to flip Texas and if they can the Republican party is dead until it reinvents itself again...

As of now Warren will lose Texas badly and so will any Socialist Democrat, so Democrats are still years out of winning this State...

Trump is in line to get up to 40% of the latino vote.

Flip Texas???

So Trump will win California and Illnois with that right?

No, you will be very upset in 2020 when you discover your polls were wrong once again.

The key is Warren is hated more than Trump, so Latino and Black voters might not vote instead...

Well, that goes back to the article in the OP.

Does Obama have enough sway in the party to save it from itself? Evidently Warren is beginning to soften in the polls, and Biden is still out in front (even if Obama is not all that excited about him). So if the party can run a decent ticket, it's in much better shape.
.

Some are thinking Obama should endorse Bloomberg but I do not think that is wise.

Yes, I believe Bloomberg would be better suited as President over Trump, Warren, Biden or Sanders but Obama endorsing him my make the split in the party wider.

Pelosi need to get control of the party for it to have any chance of winning and even then I believe it is late!

Holy crap, that would cause a shitstorm. Bloomberg is persona non grata with the Regressives, because it looks like he's jumping in to try and save a shitty field.

Pelosi to me is the most interesting character in ALL of this. She's in Paul Ryan's shoes right now, trying to keep everything together as they come apart at the seams. She's very pragmatic and calculating, and most of the party just isn't right now.
.

I did a poll saying Bloomberg would be the candidate .........LOL

Of course I'm LOSING badly in that poll ........LOL

 

[JoeB131]

Michael Smerconish had a guess on discussing Obama remarks and it made me realize how far left Democrats have gone...

Obama is correct the Democrats ( especially Socialist Democrats ) need to chill but can Obama save them or have they lunged to the left that it is now Cortez and Sanders type Democrats and no longer Bill Clinton or even Joe Biden Democrats?

I say the party is lost...

Under normal circumstance, I might agree. But here's the thing, even in "good" economic times, Capitalism is such a shit sandwich for most people that Socialism of Bernie might look appealing. There's a reason why he polls better against Trump than Biden or Warren or Buttplug.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Could be, but I've learned not to make extrapolations out too far. Things change.

The Democrats are going through something similar to what the GOP did with Trump. Back then we were talking about how the the party was splitting between the Trumpsters and the RINOs. The Trumpsters won, at least for now, but you never know.
.

Trump is the worst thing to happen to the Republican party, and when he leaves it will take decades before they recover.

Democrats seem to be heading more to the Cortez and Talib types than Clinton, Obama and Biden types.

That will never sell in Purple and Red America...

A pretty toxic mess right now, served up by the wings.
.

America seem happy with the toxic atmosphere in D.C. and across the nation.

The key for Democrats can they get Social Conservative Tejanos to flip Texas and if they can the Republican party is dead until it reinvents itself again...

As of now Warren will lose Texas badly and so will any Socialist Democrat, so Democrats are still years out of winning this State...

Trump is in line to get up to 40% of the latino vote.

Flip Texas???

So Trump will win California and Illnois with that right?

No, you will be very upset in 2020 when you discover your polls were wrong once again.

The key is Warren is hated more than Trump, so Latino and Black voters might not vote instead...

You make a comment about TEXAS. I reply to comment about TEXAS. You then invoke CALIFORNIA.....

Fail

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

America seem happy with the toxic atmosphere in D.C. and across the nation.

The key for Democrats can they get Social Conservative Tejanos to flip Texas and if they can the Republican party is dead until it reinvents itself again...

As of now Warren will lose Texas badly and so will any Socialist Democrat, so Democrats are still years out of winning this State...

Trump is in line to get up to 40% of the latino vote.

Flip Texas???

So Trump will win California and Illnois with that right?

No, you will be very upset in 2020 when you discover your polls were wrong once again.

The key is Warren is hated more than Trump, so Latino and Black voters might not vote instead...

Well, that goes back to the article in the OP.

Does Obama have enough sway in the party to save it from itself? Evidently Warren is beginning to soften in the polls, and Biden is still out in front (even if Obama is not all that excited about him). So if the party can run a decent ticket, it's in much better shape.
.

Some are thinking Obama should endorse Bloomberg but I do not think that is wise.

Yes, I believe Bloomberg would be better suited as President over Trump, Warren, Biden or Sanders but Obama endorsing him my make the split in the party wider.

Pelosi need to get control of the party for it to have any chance of winning and even then I believe it is late!

Holy crap, that would cause a shitstorm. Bloomberg is persona non grata with the Regressives, because it looks like he's jumping in to try and save a shitty field.

Pelosi to me is the most interesting character in ALL of this. She's in Paul Ryan's shoes right now, trying to keep everything together as they come apart at the seams. She's very pragmatic and calculating, and most of the party just isn't right now.
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When Pelosi called for the Impeachment Inquiry it signaled to me that Cortez and company finally got their wish without knowing Pelosi was doing this to shut them up while knowing this could blow the party up.

Obama knows right now the Democrats are in a political shift like the GOP in Reagan days, but is this shift the right move at this time?

No, and Obama knows this and see the Democrats driving potential voters into Trump arms or staying home.

Obama can not save them now and to be honest I think the Democrats need this so a purge can happen...