Can Liberals Criticise Obama?

[Dante]

If you are a liberal or Democrat, I' like to hear from you about what you do not like, or have not liked, about the Obama administration.

I'll go first -
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Liberals have been criticizing Obama since his first year in office.

Criticism does not equal not supporting a person or a principle.

Proof is how many times conservatives have hid behind criticisms of Obama by liberals.

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[California Girl]

I was hoping for more bipartisanship. I know Bush threw that kind of thing out the window, but I think a two party state can only be successful if both parties are involved. That's not to say I don't approve of the job Obama's done. But the country is super divided and I would like for that to change.

Excellent point, I agree.

I tend to blame the GOP for this more than Obama, but maybe back on his first day in power Obama could have really tried to open up a dialogue with the moderate limb of the GOP and offered them a couple of policy victories in order to establish common ground.

You 'blame' the GOP? Obama is President - it is his ******* job to find compromise. And he is crap at it. 'Winning' does not mean you get it all your own way... it means you are supposed to ******* lead. LEAD. Not divide. You - and any other moron who voted for Obama - really need to learn that lesson.

 

[Meathead]

Most lefties are sycophants. It's not often you hear them whine about Gitmo, drones and the like since the dawn of "Post-Racial America".

 

[Saigon]

You 'blame' the GOP? Obama is President - it is his ******* job to find compromise. And he is crap at it. 'Winning' does not mean you get it all your own way... it means you are supposed to ******* lead. LEAD. Not divide. You - and any other moron who voted for Obama - really need to learn that lesson.

Try and think this through a little more, California.

When Republicans are offered a compromise and some of the party leaders openly and publically talk about holding the country to ransom - they are not holding their end of the rope.

It is up to Obama to offer compromise - but he can't make the GOP accept the olive branch.

 

[Saigon]

Most lefties are sycophants. It's not often you hear them whine about Gitmo, drones and the like since the dawn of "Post-Racial America".

I don't think Obama has done enough to get Gitmo closed, and I dare say more Democrat voters say the same thing.

Drones I'm a neutral on, and I don't care what party leader first suggested using them.

 

[PredFan]

Of course Liberals can and do criticize Obama - but the smarter ones don't do it in public to give the rabid right unnecessary ammunition. I generally defend Obama rather than criticize him in public, but if I have worthwhile complaints - I email them to the DNC and White House.

To: Barack Obama
From: Lakhota

My darling Barry, I love you , i yearn for you my sweetness. Please send me a glossy photo, a year's supply of lotion and an Obama phone

Awesome, and very likely true.

 

[PredFan]

Sure - but something this board suffers from is a lack of "self-cricitism" (for want of a better term).

Maybe if we were all more open about the faults our representatives have or mistakes they make - it would also inspire more understanding from the other side of the aisle?

I got no problem with publically stating my criticisms of Obama. And unlike the "rights" criticism of him, I don't have to make mine up. My criticisms of this President, just like my criticisms of the last one, are based on their policies and actions in office, not on what I thought they were doing or who or what I thought they were.

My criticism of him and his Administration are as follows:

• his "kill lists". Thinking he has the authority to kill any American, anywhere, at anytime, for any reason, is just disgusting.
• refusing to investigate former Administration officials for war crimes.
• continuing the neocon foreign policy agenda.
• not fighting for the "public option" in the healthcare bill.
• supporting "indefinate detention".
• supporting "drone" warfare.
• not enough liberal legislation.
• too many compromises with the right.
• kissing too much Israeli ass
• expanding warrantless wire-tapping

Let's get one thing perfectly clear, Obama is NOT a liberal President. He's not a liberal. His policies are not on the left. He has no liberals in his Cabinet. He has too many former financial industry heavyweights in his treasury department.

Does anyone remember former WH press secretary Robert Gibbs going off on liberals just before a press conference? Saying we had to give Obama "more time" to enact the liberal policies he said he was going to do during his campaign. That we were too impatient with him and he couldn't get everything all done at once.

Truth is, he didn't do any of it and I personally took the "time" option off the table 18 months into his Presidency and formally stated I no longer support the policies of his Administration. That was over 3-1/2 years ago and I still don't.

The one thing to remember about Obama, more than anything else, is that he is a "POLITICAN!" Never forget that and you will always keep what he says and does in perspective.

And pay no intention to what the right says about him, because they make everything up about him anyway. Nothing they say about him is true. But that's true about anyone they talk about.

Meet the new boss,
Same as the old boss.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You 'blame' the GOP? Obama is President - it is his ******* job to find compromise. And he is crap at it. 'Winning' does not mean you get it all your own way... it means you are supposed to ******* lead. LEAD. Not divide. You - and any other moron who voted for Obama - really need to learn that lesson.

Try and think this through a little more, California.

When Republicans are offered a compromise and some of the party leaders openly and publically talk about holding the country to ransom - they are not holding their end of the rope.

It is up to Obama to offer compromise - but he can't make the GOP accept the olive branch.

You don't compromise with people you have nothing in common with.
How hard is this to comprehend?

 

[Dante]

Most lefties are sycophants. It's not often you hear them whine about Gitmo, drones and the like since the dawn of "Post-Racial America".

The left has whined about Obama not shutting down GITMO since early on. The left screams the loudest about the policies on drones. Now crawl back under your rock -- now.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Most lefties are sycophants. It's not often you hear them whine about Gitmo, drones and the like since the dawn of "Post-Racial America".

The left has whined about Obama not shutting down GITMO since early on. The left screams the loudest about the policies on drones. Now crawl back under your rock -- now.

When has this happened?

 

[Dante]

You 'blame' the GOP? Obama is President - it is his ******* job to find compromise.

Where in the Constitution does it say the Chief Executive's job is to find compromise?

com·pro·mise
/ˈkämprəˌmīz/
Noun
An agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions.
Verb
Settle a dispute by mutual concession.
Synonyms
noun. agreement - accommodation - settlement - conciliation
verb. come to terms

mu·tu·al
/ˈmyo͞oCHo͞oəl/
Adjective

(of a feeling or action) Experienced or done by each of two or more parties toward the other or others.
(of two or more people) Having the same specified relationship to each other.

Synonyms
reciprocal - common - joint

 

[Dante]

Most lefties are sycophants. It's not often you hear them whine about Gitmo, drones and the like since the dawn of "Post-Racial America".

The left has whined about Obama not shutting down GITMO since early on. The left screams the loudest about the policies on drones. Now crawl back under your rock -- now.

When has this happened?

you really don't get out much outside of your circle, do you? The anti-war left.

use a search engine: left anti war upset with obama gitmo not closed

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The left has whined about Obama not shutting down GITMO since early on. The left screams the loudest about the policies on drones. Now crawl back under your rock -- now.

When has this happened?

you really don't get out much outside of your circle, do you? The anti-war left.

use a search engine: left anti war upset with obama gitmo not closed

When was the last the media reported on an anti war protest? When was the last time the media did an in-depth report on Gitmo remaining open?

 

[Dante]

When has this happened?

you really don't get out much outside of your circle, do you? The anti-war left.

use a search engine: left anti war upset with obama gitmo not closed

When was the last the media reported on an anti war protest? When was the last time the media did an in-depth report on Gitmo remaining open?

anti war protests? they fizzled out long before Obama was elected. They came back for a last hurrah during the 2008 conventions. they were more about Bush taking us into Iraq more than anything.

disclosure: Dante support invasion of Iraq, but never bought into WMD arguments as a foundation for the argument of going in

GITMO criticism are current. use a search engine and you'll be shocked to find out just how much in the darkness you are.

 

[Saigon]

You don't compromise with people you have nothing in common with.
How hard is this to comprehend?

Sure you do.

The alternative - as we saw with the fiscal cliff - is holding the country to ransom.

 

[Meathead]

Most lefties are sycophants. It's not often you hear them whine about Gitmo, drones and the like since the dawn of "Post-Racial America".

The left has whined about Obama not shutting down GITMO since early on. The left screams the loudest about the policies on drones. Now crawl back under your rock -- now.

Yes, because silence on these topics is deafening. To be fair, I do hear the occasional peep on these subjects, but long gone is the righteous indignation and constant whining. I suppose you would have to understand what hypocrisy is.

 

[Redfish]

You 'blame' the GOP? Obama is President - it is his ******* job to find compromise. And he is crap at it. 'Winning' does not mean you get it all your own way... it means you are supposed to ******* lead. LEAD. Not divide. You - and any other moron who voted for Obama - really need to learn that lesson.

Try and think this through a little more, California.

When Republicans are offered a compromise and some of the party leaders openly and publically talk about holding the country to ransom - they are not holding their end of the rope.

It is up to Obama to offer compromise - but he can't make the GOP accept the olive branch.

You don't compromise by accepting policies that would hurt the country.

Obama's idea of compromise is for the GOP to roll over and let him have his way.

what olive branches has he offered? Name them

 

[Redfish]

You don't compromise with people you have nothing in common with.
How hard is this to comprehend?

Sure you do.

The alternative - as we saw with the fiscal cliff - is holding the country to ransom.

wrong, the so-called fiscal cliff was a heap of BS just like the sequester is a heap of BS.

Both need to happen, we cannot continue to spend twice what we collect. its insanity and will destroy the country.

 

[Redfish]

If you are a liberal or Democrat, I' like to hear from you about what you do not like, or have not liked, about the Obama administration.

I'll go first -

1) Austerity. In Obama's first day in power five years ago, I thought he should have anounced austerity cuts, and big ones. He had the public support to actually go out and say "We're damn near broke" and slash a billion or so off spending. I didn't mind the Stim Pack per se, but I think spending cuts needed to go along side it.

2) Climate Change. Obama has been too passive on this. I'd like to have seen clearer statements of intent, backed by science ordinary people could understand, so that Americans could understand more of the issue.

3) Admitting Error. Maybe it's unreasonable, but with some of the scandals like 'Fast & Furious' I'd always like to see politicians admit that mistakes were made. I think people would respect it more than excuses.

4) Closing the revolving door between Goldman Sachs and the White House. Stop hiring people from lobbies, and put distance between lobbies and positions of responsibility.

5) Cut military spending. I'd like Obama to stand up to the military, and present a long term strategy of reducing spending massively, and converting the military into a force that can deal with guerillas and al Queda, and rely less on cold war thinking.

1. I agree, and he has done just the opposite, increased spending and the debt

2. man is not affecting the climate of the planet, if you want to take on pollution I am with you 100%

3. He will never admit a mistake, he is above making mistakes, he is the messiah of the USA and the entire world

4. I agree, and again he has done just the opposite

5. agree again, there is a tremendous amount of waste and pork in DOD, but has he done anything ? Nope.

 

[Redfish]

Sure - but something this board suffers from is a lack of "self-cricitism" (for want of a better term).

Maybe if we were all more open about the faults our representatives have or mistakes they make - it would also inspire more understanding from the other side of the aisle?

I got no problem with publically stating my criticisms of Obama. And unlike the "rights" criticism of him, I don't have to make mine up. My criticisms of this President, just like my criticisms of the last one, are based on their policies and actions in office, not on what I thought they were doing or who or what I thought they were.

My criticism of him and his Administration are as follows:

• his "kill lists". Thinking he has the authority to kill any American, anywhere, at anytime, for any reason, is just disgusting.
• refusing to investigate former Administration officials for war crimes.
• continuing the neocon foreign policy agenda.
• not fighting for the "public option" in the healthcare bill.
• supporting "indefinate detention".
• supporting "drone" warfare.
• not enough liberal legislation.
• too many compromises with the right.
• kissing too much Israeli ass
• expanding warrantless wire-tapping

Let's get one thing perfectly clear, Obama is NOT a liberal President. He's not a liberal. His policies are not on the left. He has no liberals in his Cabinet. He has too many former financial industry heavyweights in his treasury department.

Does anyone remember former WH press secretary Robert Gibbs going off on liberals just before a press conference? Saying we had to give Obama "more time" to enact the liberal policies he said he was going to do during his campaign. That we were too impatient with him and he couldn't get everything all done at once.

Truth is, he didn't do any of it and I personally took the "time" option off the table 18 months into his Presidency and formally stated I no longer support the policies of his Administration. That was over 3-1/2 years ago and I still don't.

The one thing to remember about Obama, more than anything else, is that he is a "POLITICAN!" Never forget that and you will always keep what he says and does in perspective.

And pay no intention to what the right says about him, because they make everything up about him anyway. Nothing they say about him is true. But that's true about anyone they talk about.

OK, I want you to be truthful, you want single payer healthcare because you think it will mean free healthcare for YOU, right?

what you fail to realize is that it will mean higher taxes for YOU, crappy medical care for YOU, and long waits to see a differenct doctor every visit.

But admit the first part, you think it will be free for you, don't you?