Can Bernie beat Trump?

[Sun Devil 92]

Sanders will never be president

Be careful...that's what they said about Trump.

 

[Issa]

Bloomberg is what 20 times richer than what the orange claims? Self made billionaire with no fake universities. If the repukes like successful businessmen to lead the country than bloomberg is more qualified than the orange cheeto.

 

[Oldstyle]

I really don't think so! I welcome any credible views to the contrary. Here is what I think:

1. If Bernie wins the democratic primary - we'll likely have four more years of Trump*.

2. If Bernie loses the democratic primary - his supporters will likely not support the winner. Trump* wins.

3. Therefore, either way, it looks good for Trump*.

4. I'm watching Bloomberg very closely.

I think Walter Mondale could take Trump.

I liked Mondale. Hillary could beat Trump this time. I still believe she is politically viable.

She is toxic. Mondale is only 92.

Who made her "toxic"?

Ah, she did?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I think so. I also think he’s the only one who can. All the other Ds are warmongering corporatists just like Trump. You’d think the D party would learn by now, they don’t win running a republican.

Obama first ran as a Fiscally conservative, political moderate and BJ Clinton was "era of Big gubbamint is OVER!" Clinton was more of a Conservative than either Bush...what were you saying?

 

[Mac1958]

I really don't think so! I welcome any credible views to the contrary. Here is what I think:

1. If Bernie wins the democratic primary - we'll likely have four more years of Trump*.
2. If Bernie loses the democratic primary - his supporters will likely not support the winner. Trump* wins.
3. Therefore, either way, it looks good for Trump*.
4. I'm watching Bloomberg very closely.

Sounds like Bloomberg got pounded pretty effectively last night.

I'm no expert on this stuff, but it's pretty clear that the party, in general, thinks Bernie would be beaten pretty handily, and therefore so would democratic socialism for a while.

The party is an absolute mess right now. The nutters have too much influence.
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[gipper]

I think so. I also think he’s the only one who can. All the other Ds are warmongering corporatists just like Trump. You’d think the D party would learn by now, they don’t win running a republican.

Obama first ran as a Fiscally conservative, political moderate and BJ Clinton was "era of Big gubbamint is OVER!" Clinton was more of a Conservative than either Bush...what were you saying?

I can’t agree. O first ran as a big progressive. Of course, we know now he’s a big fraud. Bubba also ran as a left winger initially, but he too turned right.

Remember too the terribly weak candidates the R party ran against these two in their second election. Dole and Romney were not improvements so both got beat.

 

[The Purge]

Bernie who...the Money Midget at the debate...



Was mike on a soap box or a box full of cash?

 

[Snouter]

The Crazy Bernie vs Mini-Mike thing is interesting. Mini-Mike triggered Crazy Bernie with a simple comment and did not even go into how Crazy Bernie and his wife have been ripping off taxpayers throughout Crazy Bernie's political career, most recently by having his campaign buy copies of his book (that allegedly made him a millionaire) and how he got the lakeside vacation home as a payoff for not complaining about Crooked Hillary screwing him.

 

[gipper]

I really don't think so! I welcome any credible views to the contrary. Here is what I think:

1. If Bernie wins the democratic primary - we'll likely have four more years of Trump*.
2. If Bernie loses the democratic primary - his supporters will likely not support the winner. Trump* wins.
3. Therefore, either way, it looks good for Trump*.
4. I'm watching Bloomberg very closely.

Sounds like Bloomberg got pounded pretty effectively last night.

I'm no expert on this stuff, but it's pretty clear that the party, in general, thinks Bernie would be beaten pretty handily, and therefore so would democratic socialism for a while.

The party is an absolute mess right now. The nutters have too much influence.
.

If you think the Ds need to nominate another corporatist warmonger like O or HER, you are mistaken. Why nominate a republican? Essentially resulting in a choice between an R or another R.

The D Party claims to be the progressive party. Shouldn’t they nominate a progressive? Thus giving the American people a real choice.

 

[Mac1958]

I really don't think so! I welcome any credible views to the contrary. Here is what I think:

1. If Bernie wins the democratic primary - we'll likely have four more years of Trump*.
2. If Bernie loses the democratic primary - his supporters will likely not support the winner. Trump* wins.
3. Therefore, either way, it looks good for Trump*.
4. I'm watching Bloomberg very closely.

Sounds like Bloomberg got pounded pretty effectively last night.

I'm no expert on this stuff, but it's pretty clear that the party, in general, thinks Bernie would be beaten pretty handily, and therefore so would democratic socialism for a while.

The party is an absolute mess right now. The nutters have too much influence.
.

If you think the Ds need to nominate another corporatist warmonger like O or HER, you are mistaken. Why nominate a republican? Essentially resulting in a choice between an R or another R.

The D Party claims to be the progressive party. Shouldn’t they nominate a progressive? Thus giving the American people a real choice.

The party is a fucking mess, so I don't really know what it claims to be at this point.

Remember, the top priority isn't their principles, it's beating Trump.

I'd like to see Bloomberg break off and run Indy.
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[sparky]

They could run Jesus Christ and it wouldn't matter at this point.

~S~

 

[DBA]

Remember, the top priority isn't their principles, it's beating Trump.

And herein lies the problem. I would dare say that many who oppose Trump simply don't like his personality. If questioned, they wouldn't be able to name specific policies with which totally disagree or that have failed. I can name a litany of Bernie policies with which I disagree and that would destroy our country. Most leftists talk about how the country is going downhill under Trump even though virtually every metric shows just the opposite. It is an amazing testament to the power of the left-wing media and the short-sighted, shallow thinking of many voters.

 

[Mac1958]

Remember, the top priority isn't their principles, it's beating Trump.

And herein lies the problem. I would dare say that many who oppose Trump simply don't like his personality. If questioned, they wouldn't be able to name specific policies with which totally disagree or that have failed. I can name a litany of Bernie policies with which I disagree and that would destroy our country. Most leftists talk about how the country is going downhill under Trump even though virtually every metric shows just the opposite. It is an amazing testament to the power of the left-wing media and the short-sighted, shallow thinking of many voters.

I see plenty of short-sighted, shallow thinking, not to mention willful ignorance, from both ends of the spectrum right now.

And I know that whichever party comes out on top in November will not be gracious winners.

I don't see how this is good for America.
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[JoeB131]

And herein lies the problem. I would dare say that many who oppose Trump simply don't like his personality. If questioned, they wouldn't be able to name specific policies with which totally disagree or that have failed. I can name a litany of Bernie policies with which I disagree and that would destroy our country. Most leftists talk about how the country is going downhill under Trump even though virtually every metric shows just the opposite. It is an amazing testament to the power of the left-wing media and the short-sighted, shallow thinking of many voters.

Again, Trump's criminality is the problem here, not his "personality".

He's alienated our allies, enboldened the racists with his racist rhetoric.

You would have been very good in 1940 Germany, saying, "Look how much better Hitler has made things! Winning. Oh, what happened to Goldberg? Never mind."

 

[JoeB131]

Sounds like Bloomberg got pounded pretty effectively last night.

I'm no expert on this stuff, but it's pretty clear that the party, in general, thinks Bernie would be beaten pretty handily, and therefore so would democratic socialism for a while.

The party is an absolute mess right now. The nutters have too much influence.

One more time. Remember that smashing debate that Kamala had when she called Biden out on busing? Nope.

Debates are kind of meaningless.

At the end of the day, with Biden circling the drain, no one is going to remember that Fauxahontas screamed about Bloomberg.

It's going to be a choice between Bloomberg or Bernie. Either one of them could beat Trump, but Bloomberg can actually run the country the next day.

 

[JoeB131]

The party is a fucking mess, so I don't really know what it claims to be at this point.

Remember, the top priority isn't their principles, it's beating Trump.

I'd like to see Bloomberg break off and run Indy.

That would really make sure Trump wins. Kind of pointless, if you are willing to spend a billion dollars to beat Trump, you don't spend it to make sure he wins.

Trump has his 46% locked in. Period. They aren't going to admit they fucked it up 4 years ago. At least no as long as the economy is chugging along. (If we have a correction, different story).

It's who can motivate the 54% to vote against him.

 

[gipper]

I really don't think so! I welcome any credible views to the contrary. Here is what I think:

1. If Bernie wins the democratic primary - we'll likely have four more years of Trump*.
2. If Bernie loses the democratic primary - his supporters will likely not support the winner. Trump* wins.
3. Therefore, either way, it looks good for Trump*.
4. I'm watching Bloomberg very closely.

Sounds like Bloomberg got pounded pretty effectively last night.

I'm no expert on this stuff, but it's pretty clear that the party, in general, thinks Bernie would be beaten pretty handily, and therefore so would democratic socialism for a while.

The party is an absolute mess right now. The nutters have too much influence.
.

If you think the Ds need to nominate another corporatist warmonger like O or HER, you are mistaken. Why nominate a republican? Essentially resulting in a choice between an R or another R.

The D Party claims to be the progressive party. Shouldn’t they nominate a progressive? Thus giving the American people a real choice.

The party is a fucking mess, so I don't really know what it claims to be at this point.

Remember, the top priority isn't their principles, it's beating Trump.

I'd like to see Bloomberg break off and run Indy.
.

Yeah that’s what we need another billionaire, totally out of touch with the country. An elitist corporatist. That way the American people get no real choice, but the oligarchy is kept happy.

Yes their priority is beating Trump. Nominating a Trump clone is not how one beats Trump.

 

[gipper]

Sounds like Bloomberg got pounded pretty effectively last night.

I'm no expert on this stuff, but it's pretty clear that the party, in general, thinks Bernie would be beaten pretty handily, and therefore so would democratic socialism for a while.

The party is an absolute mess right now. The nutters have too much influence.

One more time. Remember that smashing debate that Kamala had when she called Biden out on busing? Nope.

Debates are kind of meaningless.

At the end of the day, with Biden circling the drain, no one is going to remember that Fauxahontas screamed about Bloomberg.

It's going to be a choice between Bloomberg or Bernie. Either one of them could beat Trump, but Bloomberg can actually run the country the next day.

Bloomie is a clone of Donnie. Why would you want him?

 

[Flash]

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah that’s what we need another billionaire, totally out of touch with the country. An elitist corporatist. That way the American people get no real choice, but the oligarchy is kept happy.

Yes their priority is beating Trump. Nominating a Trump clone is not how one beats Trump.

Yes, why should we elect a guy with a proven record of getting things done in the business and political arena when we can elect a do-nothing socialist?

Just for fun, I read Bloomberg's Wiki entry vs. Bernie's.

Bloomberg started out as a middle class kid, worked his way up, built a huge business empire, became the eighth richest man in the country, then became mayor of the largest city in the country (One with a 2.5 TRILLION GDP) and was elected three times, guiding NYC through the 9/11 Aftermath and the 2008 Crash.

Bernie... has been in Congress since 1991. His Wiki is a list of things he opposed. He didn't sponsor one major piece of legislation in 30 years.