Can Atheists be Moral?

[Eric Arthur Blair]

the tone of your threat is what is threatening, christian, your religion ...

Who is forcing you to carry a bible around or attend church? How is a religion that has less and less members threatening anyone?

 

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How come you are threatened by an imaginary character?

the tone of your threat is what is threatening, christian, your religion ...

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You are swinging at windmills, Don Quixote.

But then again that’s what subversives do. They create drama and conflict where there is none.

No one is trying to force you to believe. No one is trying to convert you.

So you create a straw man to justify your aggression. Thus proving that you believe in right and wrong even as you violate it.

These are your steps.

1. Demoralize
2. Destabilize
3. Crisis
4. Normalization

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You are swinging at windmills, Don Quixote.

its been a while, Quixote ... the fact is christianity is not a windmill, the christian bible is a political document disguised as a religion and serves to undermine the prescribed religion of the Almighty and the stated goal for admission to the Everlasting. so, no it is not a dream.

No one is trying to force you to believe. No one is trying to convert you.

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you have been called out before bing, the gal above is not forgotten nor the crucifixion nor that your type have never faced the justice you deserve.

Atheists just depend on things like illogical self-interest, organization, I mean they must be self-motivated, and then attack these same qualities when they see it with churches.

and then attack these same qualities when they see it with churches ...

if that were true of atheist to the extent of "churches" being the same the morality to triumph over evil would be for both the same as the spoken religion of antiquity prescribes.

Karl Marx couldn’t have said that better.

I bet you took that as a compliment.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I said a thinking person would.

And you were wrong. Thats just your way of soothing yourself without actually supporting any of your points. The appropriate, direct counter to that is, "no, thats what a retarded person does." No other response is required.

How come you are threatened by an imaginary character?

I'm not. Pay attention, i already covered that..

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

And you were wrong. Thats just your way of soothing yourself without actually supporting any of your points. The appropriate, direct counter to that is, "no, thats what a retarded person does." No other response is required.

You should have just replied "nuh-uh" and repeated as necessary like other deep thinkers on a fifth grade level. The end effect would have been just the same.

I'm not. Pay attention, i already covered that..

You claim to feel threatened yet can't explain why. Until you explain why you haven't really covered anything.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You should have just replied "nuh-uh"

Right, exactly my point. That is the appropriate response to your stupid words. As if saying "any thinking person" supports your garbage....

You claim to feel threatened yet can't explain why.

I did not claim that. 4th time now. This is like talking to a child. I said the intent was a threat.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Right, exactly my point. That is the appropriate response to your stupid words. As if saying "any thinking person" supports your garbage....

Yes....
Much like saying my contention, which I qualified with a clear reasoned response, is "garbage".
If what I said was garbage you forget to mention how that was so (assuming you are capable, which I truly doubt).

Nothing is garbage until someone can establish that as fact. I take it you are unable to do that.

I did not claim that. 4th time now. This is like talking to a child. I said the intent was a threat.

What's the difference between an actual threat and an intended threat?
Without the actual ability to carry out a threat, which you believe is impossible, why should anyone feel threatened, speaking of trying to get through to a child.

A five year old could threaten to beat me up. Should I feel threatened by that threat? Maybe your belief in the magical powers of atheism is not as strong as you believe.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If what I said was garbage you forget to mention how that was so

I dont have to do so. When you say, "any thinking person says...", thats not an argument. No other reaponse is required.

And then you show what a thinking man you are not by completely reversing my comments -- which were direct reaponses to your questions -- despite bwing corrected 3 times.

What's the difference between an actual threat and an intended threat?

See what I mean? You are being very stupid. If a homeless person stopped you and said he was going to swallow ypur soul and raise your kids...would you feel threatened? No, you would laugh. But the crazy homeless person certainly believed his threat. That's what religious fools who make their magcial threats sound like to me. But you can be sure they believe every word. Oh, the arrogance...

 

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If what I said was garbage you forget to mention how that was so

I dont have to do so. When you say, "any thinking person says...", thats not an argument. No other reaponse is required.

And then you show what a thinking man you are not by completely reversing my comments -- which were direct reaponses to your questions -- despite bwing corrected 3 times.

What's the difference between an actual threat and an intended threat?

See what I mean? You are being very stupid. If a homeless person stopped you and said he was going to swallow ypur soul and raise your kids...would you feel threatened? No, you would laugh. But the crazy homeless person certainly believed his threat. That's what religious fools who make their magcial threats sound like to me. But you can be sure they believe every word. Oh, the arrogance...

I dont have to do so.

You can’t.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Right, exactly my point. That is the appropriate response to your stupid words. As if saying "any thinking person" supports your garbage....

Then tell me how the universe with all it's workings, principles and laws got here. In a cereal box, maybe?

If you say, I don't know, but I know it wasn't by some magical man in the sky, then you are lying and claiming some knowledge you can't possibly have. You simply don't know.
If you say the universe just exists and has always been here that's also false as nothing comes from nothing.

God is the only possibility that there is. You find it absurd but a universe that just happens to be, like a '67 AMC Gremlin on blocks on the dark side of the moon just happens to be, is even more absurd. Science has shown the Big Bang singularity gives a definite beginning point to the universe.

You just aren't a thinking, reasoning person. No shame in that. It's just not your thing. You aren't skilled.

See what I mean? You are being very stupid. If a homeless person stopped you and said he was going to swallow ypur soul and raise your kids...would you feel threatened? No, you would laugh. But the crazy homeless person certainly believed his threat.
That's what religious fools who make their magcial threats sound like to me. But you can be sure they believe every word. Oh, the arrogance...

In order for a threat to be effective it has to be capable of being carried out. No one can send you to some hellish after life....especially since you don't even believe in such things.

Fearing them or feeling threatened is as foolish as me fearing some atheist mad man who says we all live in an endless void without reason or purpose that ends abruptly and eternally with death and nothing can possibly exist outside of whatever we can see or detect. Of course I reason that that's bullshit so I don't really pay attention to that.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Then tell me how the universe with all it's workings, principles and laws got here.

What a stupid line you are taking. One doesn't have to know the correct answer to that in order not to accept a magical explanation for which there is no evidence, which is untestable, which yields no useful predictions,and qhich merely replaces one mystery with another.

The correct answer is, "i dont know." You should try it out.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

What a stupid line you are taking. One doesn't have to know the correct answer to that in order not to accept a magical explanation for which there is no evidence, which is untestable, which yields no useful predictions,and qhich merely replaces one mystery with another.

The correct answer is, "i dont know." You should try it out.

I have. And I find it lacking. Something, some thing, caused it all because nothing comes from nothing and absurd as the idea of God is, the idea that the entirety of the universe just exists just because it does is a logical and intellectual cop out.

If your God is science you should realize that "it just is" is the most un-scientific thing I can think of. Einstein said he saw God in the rules and order that governs the universe. A supreme creating intelligence.
I accept that.

 

[BreezeWood]

because nothing comes from nothing

you repeat your nonsensical, erroneous phrase that serves no purpose but to convince a simple mind of their own net worth ...

physiology disappears when its spiritual content is removed, was it nothing ... or a metaphysical substance in physical form.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

you repeat your nonsensical, erroneous phrase that serves no purpose but to convince a simple mind of their own net worth ...

It's simple cause and effect on a cosmological
scale. Sorry you don't believe in universal self evident truths.You must be way too "smart" to fall for that trick.

physiology disappears when its spiritual content is removed, was it nothing ... or a metaphysical substance in physical form.

What can this possibly mean? Physiology...you mean the study of living organisms and their constituent parts? Nice babble.

 

[BreezeWood]

you repeat your nonsensical, erroneous phrase that serves no purpose but to convince a simple mind of their own net worth ...

It's simple cause and effect on a cosmological
scale. Sorry you don't believe in universal self evident truths.You must be way too "smart" to fall for that trick.

physiology disappears when its spiritual content is removed, was it nothing ... or a metaphysical substance in physical form.

What can this possibly mean? Physiology...you mean the study of living organisms and their constituent parts? Nice babble.

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- the functions and processes that create life.

physiology disappears when its spiritual content is removed, was it nothing ... or a metaphysical substance in physical form.

your first response was without merit ... howabout answering the question, the nothingness you are obsessed by, cosmologically.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

your first response was without merit ... howabout answering the question, the nothingness you are obsessed by, cosmologically.

Cause and effect on a cosmological scale. You do not recognize causality?

 

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We live in a universe where there has never been an uncaused event.

The beginning of the universe would be no different.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

We live in a universe where there has never been an uncaused event.

The beginning of the universe would be no different.

Only God is uncaused because he exists outside the boundaries of the universe he is responsible for.

 

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The only solution to the first cause conundrum is something which is eternal and unchanging.

Which means the solution to the first cause conundrum cannot be matter or energy because matter and energy cannot exist outside of space and time and is not unchanging. Therefore, the solution to the first cause conundrum is no thing. Spirit is no thing. Spirit is an entirety different “thing.” We being things we can’t possibly understand no things. A two dimensional being would have an easier time trying to understand our 3rd dimension than we would in understanding no things which are capable of creating space and time out of nothing. The closest we can come to understanding some “thing” like that would be consciousness without form or pure existence.

For any given thing there is a final state of fact. This we know to be reality or objective truth. Once discovered it is known that it was always that way and will always be that way. This is true for even when it wasn’t known to be that way. Thus objective truth or reality is eternal and unchanging. Truth is no thing. Truth could have always existed. Love is no thing. Love could have always existed. Ergo God is spirit; God is reality; God is truth; God is love; God is existence.

 

[MizMolly]

Many theists believe it is clear-cut. Humans can only have opinions about morality, and no one’s opinion is any more valid than anyone else’s. This leads them to the conclusion that an objective source of morality must stand apart from, and above, humans. That source, they say, is God. Since atheists, reject God, atheists can have no basis for morality.

This is really two separate arguments: (1) that God is the source of objective morality and humans can learn morality from God and (2) that humans on their own have no way to know what is moral and what is not.

Can atheists be moral? - Atheist Alliance International

Certainly they can. I know atheists who live wonderful lives, treating all living beings with love and respect. I also know many so-called Christians who lie, gossip, steal, treat others with disrespect and are very judgmental. Being moral is not only for people who believe in a creator.

 

[badger2]

Ding: 'Thus objective truth or reality is eternal and unchanging.'

'From now on, therefore, we regard no one from a human point of view; even though we once knew christ from a human point of view, we know him no longer in that way. So if anyone if in christ, there is a new creation: everything old has passed away; see, everything has become new! ' (II Corinthians 5: 16-17)

Paul tells all of the rest what time it is and what to believe. Pauline toxic texts just keep on giving....fascism.

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