Zone1 Can anyone show any reason, other than guilt, to prevent the release of the Epstein files?

[Zincwarrior]

Name one.

Just one.

They literally can't.

 

[jotathought]

Can anyone show any reason, other than guilt, to prevent the release of the Epstein files?

Seriously.

What other reason could there possibly be?

I really wanna know.

Several reasons:

• Protection of non-accused and non-involved individuals to prevent outcomes such as doxxing, harassment, defamation and/or misidentification.
• Preventing allegations until individuals are formally charged. This avoids libel, destroying one's life without due process or outing individuals who were investigated and never charged.
• Waiting until any pending investigations are completed.
• Intelligence community cross-over: Epstein had many contacts with foreign intelligence, political donors, and diplomats. Even if Epstein was not a spy, some people in his orbit most likely were, and exposure would compromise foreign surveillance, classified relationships, and intelligence assets.
• Unverified claims within the files, including rumors from interviews, draft memos, and disputed testimony. This will prevent the release of this type of material to prevent the courts from becoming conduits of misinformation.

So many reasons why, besides guilt and an ultra-partisan hate of one man.

 

[Crepitus]

Ask the dems, they are the ones refusing to release everything.

 

[westwall]

View attachment 1184946

Yeah, you are an expert at spreading bullshit.

 

[Crepitus]

Several reasons:

• Protection of non-accused and non-involved individuals to prevent outcomes such as doxxing, harassment, defamation and/or misidentification.
• Preventing allegations until individuals are formally charged. This avoids libel, destroying one's life without due process or outing individuals who were investigated and never charged.
• Waiting until any pending investigations are completed.
• Intelligence community cross-over: Epstein had many contacts with foreign intelligence, political donors, and diplomats. Even if Epstein was not a spy, some people in his orbit most likely were, and exposure would compromise foreign surveillance, classified relationships, and intelligence assets.
• Unverified claims within the files, including rumors from interviews, draft memos, and disputed testimony. This will prevent the release of this type of material to prevent the courts from becoming conduits of misinformation.

So many reasons why, besides guilt and an ultra-partisan hate of one man.

All of those things would be solved by transparency.

And they are all already happening anyway.

Next excuse.

 

[jotathought]

All of those things would be solved by transparency.

And they are all already happening anyway.

Next excuse.

Okay, genius. Transparency isn’t a magic wand. You must still protect victims, avoid defamation of uncharged individuals, and comply with existing seal orders. Pretending these constraints disappear because we want disclosure doesn’t make them vanish.

 

[Seymour Flops]

They all wanna make tRump rich, embarrass us on the world stage, and destroy our democracy?

Was Trump's goal to secure the border and clean up the mess that Biden/Harris made by throwing it wide open?

Yes.

So, that should be the goal of anyone who works for Trump. They don't like it, work somewhere else, no shame.

This is the problem with Democrats and "not Democrats" on this forum. Most of them are strangers or near strangers to working jobs, so they don't get that you don't work for an employer you hate, so that you can oppose them and sabatage their operations.

Dude, why would you NOT?

Why would I not want the most powerful agency in the U.S. and maybe the world to go rogue because it doesn't like the president elected by the people?

That's your question?

 

[Crepitus]

Okay, genius. Transparency isn’t a magic wand. You must still protect victims, avoid defamation of uncharged individuals, and comply with existing seal orders. Pretending these constraints disappear because we want disclosure doesn’t make them vanish.

Thus the "discharge petition" and subsequent vote. Feel free to redact the names of the abused children.

Everybody else deserves what they get.

 

[jotathought]

Thus the "discharge petition" and subsequent vote. Feel free to redact the names of the abused children.

Everybody else deserves what they get.

You can’t just redact kids’ names and call it good. That file contains sealed testimony, intelligence intersections, and uncharged individuals. Courts don’t operate on ‘they deserve what they get,’ they operate on due process — otherwise the whole release gets thrown out.

Sounds like you’re arguing against the Constitution. Putting that level of ignorance on public display is bold. Hopefully, that won’t need to be redacted, too.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Thus the "discharge petition" and subsequent vote. Feel free to redact the names of the abused children.

Everybody else deserves what they get.

You have that much trust in Jeffrey Epstein?

Why?

 

[Crepitus]

You can’t just redact kids’ names and call it good. That file contains sealed testimony, intelligence intersections, and uncharged individuals. Courts don’t operate on ‘they deserve what they get,’ they operate on due process — otherwise the whole release gets thrown out.

Sounds like you’re arguing against the Constitution. Putting that level of ignorance on public display is bold. Hopefully, that won’t need to be redacted, too.

And the due process will happen. But first we need to see the files.

 

[Seymour Flops]

This thread has not gone at all the way the OP expected it to.

She asked for valid reasons, got several, and now is sputtering with rage.

 

[jotathought]

And the due process will happen. But first we need to see the files.

You’re arguing for ‘accuse everyone now, sort it out later.’

That’s the exact opposite of due process. It’s the reason courts don’t release raw files — because once a name is out there, the damage is irreversible, even if the person is innocent.

You obviously don't understand due process .. just hatred for a politician.

 

[Crepitus]

You’re arguing for ‘accuse everyone now, sort it out later.’

That’s the exact opposite of due process. It’s the reason courts don’t release raw files — because once a name is out there, the damage is irreversible, even if the person is innocent.

You obviously don't understand due process .. just hatred for a politician.

I'm arguing for "get the lead out".. They've been sitting on this for months. Time to let the cat outta the bag.

 

[jotathought]

I'm arguing for "get the lead out".. They've been sitting on this for months. Time to let the cat outta the bag.

.. and **** due process and innocent people .. got it!!

 

[d0gbreath]

I'm concerned about the privacy of the alleged victims as well as the privacy of those who may be accused, particularly accused by Epstein.

Democrats have very bizarrely decided that Jeffrey Epstein is a paragon of truthfulness, so long as he is accusing or somebody, they don't like.

But, no matter who accused who of what, only Epstein and Maxwell were indicted, so those are the only names that should be released. Redact the names of the innocent, and the innocent until proven guilty, and i'm fine with releasing every word of it.

We've seen way more than enough in the last nine years of smear campaigns based on little evidence coming from our own justice department.

I don't know if it's true, but some people claim to have photos and videos. Those might be a little tough to redact. Donald wants it all released now, so wait and see is where I'm at.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I don't know if it's true, but some people claim to have photos and videos. Those might be a little tough to redact.

Why? Black boxes over faces and editing the tapes is no great trick. Are you expecting explicit videos of teen hookers going down on middle aged Sultans? Better stick with Pornhub for that

Donald wants it all released now, so wait and see is where I'm at.

If you'd rather not wait to know the outcome, I can tell you now.

More files will be released along with the thousands that have been released already. They will be heavily redacted (not as heavy as Jack Smith's). Dems and Never Trump Republicans will be outraged.

 

[Captain Caveman]

That was only because he was.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Answer the OP.

I did see Post #13 and #16

 

[Leo123]

40,000 pages have already been released. So far, nothing, nada shit for you tdsers to eat.