Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen?

[Dr Grump]

I know nothing of history? Please do tell which historical inaccuracy I stated?

And you didnt even respond to the point, that NAZI resources were drawn away from the RUSSIAN front because of the defenses of Britian which were greatly bolstered by America on many levels.

That the Nazi resources were drawn away from the Soviet Union (note, NOT Russia - there's your first historical inaccuracy right there). Hitler made the same mistake Napoleon made - didn't get to Moscow in time. And he threw everything but the kitchen sink at Stalingrad, and still couldn't get through. Had nothing to do with resources being "pulled".

 

[Dr Grump]

The Nazi's were indeed fighting a multi-front war. Not only were they stretched because of the recent Normandy invasion of the Western Allies, they also were fighting in the Mediterranean bolstering Italy's forces.

The Soviets won the Battle of Stalingrad in Jan/Feb 1943...a good 18 months before D-Day. They had the Nazis on the run since then....to make out it was mainly due to the US is not only wrong, it is bordering on deliberating lying by Lvrpgrl. The US influence was minimal at most...in fact, the Allies influence, period, was minimal.

 

[dmp]

Hummm..and did not Paul say this...remembering when Jesus said..."When the cock crows three times you will deny me" ? all three times!...Talk is cheap...actions of responsibility rate high!Don't bow to much it is unbecomming a officer and gentleman...lol:food1: ( Or was that Peter...no matter I am sure ya will correct this humble soul!)

Again, what the hell are you talking about?

You are talking about when JESUS said to PETER "Before the rooster crows, you will deny even knowing me!" after Peter had promised his dedication.

Now, if you'd be so kind as to help me figure out what the heck that has to do w/ anything I wrote in this thread, that'd be fantastic!

Do what am I bowing, and what does the conduct of an officer and/or gentleman have to do with anything.

I don't want to correct you, I just want to be able to get in on whatever inside joke, or code you are using.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Prove it.



Ha yourself. You obviously no nothing of history. The Soviets had the Nazis on the run well before June 6, 1944. Try harder...

so America's involvement didnt start until 1944?

I stated that the nazi's wouldnt have had to use as much resources against Britian had America not been supplying them, and it may have been the difference of them taking moscow or not taking it. They could have gotten there sooner and avoided the winter disaster. Its that simple. SIde tracking or red herring the issue wont win you brownie points.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

That the Nazi resources were drawn away from the Soviet Union (note, NOT Russia - there's your first historical inaccuracy right there). Hitler made the same mistake Napoleon made - didn't get to Moscow in time. And he threw everything but the kitchen sink at Stalingrad, and still couldn't get through. Had nothing to do with resources being "pulled".

Historical Inaccuracy? what a bonehead. At that time, Russia was a more common way to refer to the Soviet Union, which, at that time was only composed of former Russian areas anyways. Unlike after the war, when they annexed non former russian territories.

And you make my exact point and show a fatal flaw in military strategy and tactics in your thinking. OF COURSE NOT HAVING MORE RESOURCES WOULD SLOW DOWN THE PROGRESS TO MOSCOW. Hell, isnt the arguement we didnt have enough forces in Iraq, what you liberals are squaking all the time? You actually are going to try and say that more resources couldnt have made a difference??

 

[LuvRPgrl]

The Soviets won the Battle of Stalingrad in Jan/Feb 1943...a good 18 months before D-Day. They had the Nazis on the run since then....to make out it was mainly due to the US is not only wrong, it is bordering on deliberating lying by Lvrpgrl. The US influence was minimal at most...in fact, the Allies influence, period, was minimal.

Well, therein is your problem. You are arguing against you're own delusional ideas. Please quote me where I stated "The war was won due mainly to the US"

Your last sentence is vague at best. US influence on what? You will need to clarify that before I take that claim of yours, and like your others, hand it to you shredded to pieces.

By the way, what the hell is "deliberating lying"?

 

[Eightball]

Well, here's a timeline of the last 2 1/2 years of WW2 in Europe. Regards Eightballsidepocket

1943 Return to Top of Page
Jan 2/3 - Germans begin a withdrawal from the Caucasus.

Jan 10, 1943 - Soviets begin an offensive against the Germans in Stalingrad.

Jan 14-24 - Casablanca conference between Churchill and Roosevelt. During the conference, Roosevelt announces the war can end only with an unconditional German surrender.

Jan 23, 1943 - Montgomery's Eighth Army takes Tripoli.

Jan 27, 1943 - First bombing raid by Americans on Germany (at Wilhelmshaven).

Feb 2, 1943 - Germans surrender at Stalingrad in the first big defeat of Hitler's armies.

Feb 8, 1943 - Soviet troops take Kursk.

Feb 14-25 - Battle of Kasserine Pass between the U.S. 1st Armored Division and German Panzers in North Africa.

Feb 16, 1943 - Soviets re-take Kharkov.

Feb 18, 1943 - Nazis arrest White Rose resistance leaders in Munich.

March 2, 1943 - Germans begin a withdrawal from Tunisia, Africa.

March 15, 1943 - Germans re-capture Kharkov.

March 16-20 - Battle of Atlantic climaxes with 27 merchant ships sunk by German U-boats.

March 20-28 - Montgomery's Eighth Army breaks through the Mareth Line in Tunisia.

April 6/7 - Axis forces in Tunisia begin a withdrawal toward Enfidaville as American and British forces link.

April 19, 1943 - Waffen SS attacks Jewish resistance in the Warsaw ghetto.

May 7, 1943 - Allies take Tunisia.

May 13, 1943 - German and Italian troops surrender in North Africa.

May 16, 1943 - Jewish resistance in the Warsaw ghetto ends.

May 16/17 - British air raid on the Ruhr.

May 22, 1943 - Dönitz suspends U-boat operations in the North Atlantic.

June 10, 1943 - 'Pointblank' directive to improve Allied bombing strategy issued.

June 11, 1943 - Himmler orders the liquidation of all Jewish ghettos in Poland.

July 5, 1943 - Germans begin their last offensive against Kursk.

July 9/10 - Allies land in Sicily.

July 19, 1943 - Allies bomb Rome.

July 22, 1943 - Americans capture Palermo, Sicily.

July 24, 1943 - British bombing raid on Hamburg.

July 25/26 - Mussolini arrested and the Italian Fascist government falls; Marshal Pietro Badoglio takes over and negotiates with Allies.

July 27/28 - Allied air raid causes a firestorm in Hamburg.

Aug 12-17 - Germans evacuate Sicily.

Aug 17, 1943 - American daylight air raids on Regensburg and Schweinfurt in Germany; Allies reach Messina, Sicily.

Aug 23, 1943 - Soviet troops recapture Kharkov.

Sept 8, 1943 - Italian surrender is announced.

Sept 9, 1943 - Allied landings at Salerno and Taranto.

Sept 11, 1943 - Germans occupy Rome.

Sept 12, 1943 - Germans rescue Mussolini.

Sept 23, 1943 - Mussolini re-establishes a Fascist government.

Oct 1, 1943 - Allies enter Naples, Italy.

Oct 4, 1943 - SS Reichsführer Himmler gives speech at Posen.

Oct 13, 1943 - Italy declares war on Germany; Second American air raid on Schweinfurt.

Nov 6, 1943 - Russians recapture Kiev in the Ukraine.

Nov 18, 1943 - Large British air raid on Berlin.

Nov 28, 1943 - Roosevelt, Churchill, Stalin meet at Teheran.

Dec 24-26 - Soviets launch offensives on the Ukrainian front.



1944 Return to Top of Page
Jan 6, 1944 - Soviet troops advance into Poland.

Jan 17, 1944 - First attack toward Cassino, Italy.

Jan 22, 1944 - Allies land at Anzio.

Jan 27, 1944 - Leningrad relieved after a 900-day siege.

Feb 15-18 - Allies bomb the monastery at Monte Cassino.

Feb 16, 1944 - Germans counter-attack against the Anzio beachhead.

March 4, 1944 - Soviet troops begin an offensive on the Belorussian front; First major daylight bombing raid on Berlin by the Allies.

March 15, 1944 - Second Allied attempt to capture Monte Cassino begins.

March 18, 1944 - British drop 3000 tons of bombs during an air raid on Hamburg, Germany.

April 8, 1944 - Soviet troops begin an offensive to liberate Crimea.

May 9, 1944 - Soviet troops recapture Sevastopol.

May 11, 1944 - Allies attack the Gustav Line south of Rome.

May 12, 1944 - Germans surrender in the Crimea.

May 15, 1944 - Germans withdraw to the Adolf Hitler Line.

May 25, 1944 - Germans retreat from Anzio.

June 5, 1944 - Allies enter Rome.

June 6, 1944 - D-Day landings.

June 9, 1944 - Soviet offensive against the Finnish front begins.

June 10, 1944 - Nazis liquidate the town of Oradour-sur-Glane in France.

June 13, 1944 - First German V-1 rocket attack on Britain.

June 22, 1944 - Operation Bagration begins (the Soviet summer offensive).

June 27, 1944 - U.S. troops liberate Cherbourg.

July 3, 1944 - 'Battle of the Hedgerows' in Normandy; Soviets capture Minsk.

July 9, 1944 - British and Canadian troops capture Caen.

July 18, 1944 - U.S. troops reach St. Lô.

July 20, 1944 - German assassination attempt on Hitler fails.

July 24, 1944 - Soviet troops liberate first concentration camp at Majdanek.

July 25-30 - Operation Cobra (U.S. troops break out west of St. Lô).

July 28, 1944 - Soviet troops take Brest-Litovsk. U.S. troops take Coutances.

Aug 1, 1944 - Polish Home Army uprising against Nazis in Warsaw begins; U.S. troops reach Avranches.

Aug 4, 1944 - Anne Frank and family arrested by the Gestapo in Amsterdam, Holland.

Aug 7, 1944 - Germans begin a major counter-attack toward Avranches.

Aug 15, 1944 - Operation Dragoon begins (the Allied invasion of Southern France).

Aug 19, 1944 - Resistance uprising in Paris.

Aug 19/20 - Soviet offensive in the Balkans begins with an attack on Romania.

Aug 20, 1944 - Allies encircle Germans in the Falaise Pocket.

Aug 25, 1944 - Liberation of Paris.

Aug 29, 1944 - Slovak uprising begins.

Aug 31, 1944 - Soviet troops take Bucharest.

Sept 1-4 - Verdun, Dieppe, Artois, Rouen, Abbeville, Antwerp and Brussels liberated by Allies.

Sept 4, 1944 - Finland and the Soviet Union agree to a cease-fire.

Sept 13, 1944 - U.S. troops reach the Siegfried Line.

Sept 17, 1944 - Operation Market Garden begins (Allied airborne assault on Holland).

Sept 26, 1944 - Soviet troops occupy Estonia.

Oct 2, 1944 - Warsaw Uprising ends as the Polish Home Army surrenders to the Germans.

Oct 10-29 - Soviet troops capture Riga.

Oct 14, 1944 - Allies liberate Athens; Rommel commits suicide.

Oct 21, 1944 - Massive German surrender at Aachen.

Oct 30, 1944 - Last use of gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Nov 20, 1944 - French troops drive through the 'Beffort Gap' to reach the Rhine.

Nov 24, 1944 - French capture Strasbourg.

Dec 4, 1944 - Civil War in Greece; Athens placed under martial law.

Dec 16-27 - Battle of the Bulge in the Ardennes.

Dec 17, 1944 - Waffen SS murder 81 U.S. POWs at Malmedy.

Dec 26, 1944 - Patton relieves Bastogne.

Dec 27, 1944 - Soviet troops besiege Budapest.



1945 Return to Top of Page
Jan 1-17 - Germans withdraw from the Ardennes.

Jan 16, 1945 - U.S. 1st and 3rd Armies link up after a month long separation during the Battle of the Bulge.

Jan 17, 1945 - Soviet troops capture Warsaw.

Jan 26, 1945 - Soviet troops liberate Auschwitz.

Feb 4-11 - Roosevelt, Churchill, Stalin meet at Yalta.

Feb 13/14 - Dresden is destroyed by a firestorm after Allied bombing raids.

March 6, 1945 - Last German offensive of the war begins to defend oil fields in Hungary.

March 7, 1945 - Allies take Cologne and establish a bridge across the Rhine at Remagen.

March 30, 1945 - Soviet troops capture Danzig.

In April - Allies discover stolen Nazi art and wealth hidden in salt mines.

April 1, 1945 - U.S. troops encircle Germans in the Ruhr; Allied offensive in North Italy.

April 12, 1945 - Allies liberate Buchenwald and Belsen concentration camps;
President Roosevelt dies. Truman becomes President.

April 16, 1945 - Soviet troops begin their final attack on Berlin; Americans enter Nuremberg.

April 18, 1945 - German forces in the Ruhr surrender.

April 21, 1945 - Soviets reach Berlin.

April 28, 1945 - Mussolini is captured and hanged by Italian partisans; Allies take Venice.

April 29, 1945 - U.S. 7th Army liberates Dachau.

April 30, 1945 - Adolf Hitler commits suicide.

May 2, 1945 - German troops in Italy surrender.

May 7, 1945 - Unconditional surrender of all German forces to Allies.

May 8, 1945 - V-E (Victory in Europe) Day.