WillowTree
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California Senate Passes Comprehensive New Gun Control Legislation
And not one of them will stop crime! Idiots.
And not one of them will stop crime! Idiots.
California Senate Passes Comprehensive, Common Sense Gun Laws
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Oh what a relief! Now law abiding folk who were turning their guns into "assault" weapons will be thwarted by the bullet button loophole! Meanwhile, bad guys will continue to ignore old and new laws.
Yep. Comprehensive common sense on display.
Yep. Comprehensive common sense on display.
M14 Shooter
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Unsurprisingly, all of this nonsense, none of which will do anything to prevent gun-related crime, is based on emotion ignorance and/or dishonesty.
charwin95
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Do you have any suggestions Einstein?
2aguy
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Yeah...I do....if you catch someone committing a crime with a gun, you arrest them and give them 30 years....like they do in Japan. If you catch a felon in possession of an illegal gun....you arrest them and put them in prison for 30 years.
The 30 year sentence has decreased Japan's gun crime...the Yakuza bosses have stated that in the past....doing a couple of years for a gun crime was a reputation builder....the thug coming out of jail would get a career boost...now, a 30 year sentence is a life changer...and not worth it to the boss, who can now be held responsible for the criminal violence of their underlings, and it isn't worth it to the thug....who will be over 50 when they walk out of prison.....
But please.....explain the laws you think will lower the gun crime rate....
Keeping in mind that as more Americans own and actually carry guns, our gun murder and gun crime rate has gone down......
M14 Shooter
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Suggestions what what, exactly?
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In 2007 there were 4.7 million concealed carry permit holders....today, in 2016 there are 13,000,000 million...and our gun murder rate has gone down...
Guns are not the problem...gun control laws will not solve gun crime...
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Yeah, when you catch someone committing a crime with a gun, throw them in prison and eat the key.
What kind of stupendous dumb shit can't figure out that people who use guns to commit crimes don't give a fuck about gun laws?
C_Clayton_Jones
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No, the thread premise is idiocy, as no firearm regulatory measure is enacted as well "panacea" for all gun crime and violence; anyone who argues otherwise is a liar.
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Yeah.....you guys always say...hey, we never said it was going to stop all gun crime, that is what the next gun control law is for.........and on and on and on........
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M14 Shooter
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Nothing to see here... move along...
charwin95
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Basically you say it doesn't work. So what is your suggestion? Sell more guns to the public.
charwin95
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In Japan guns are not available to the general population to purchase a gun. I live there temporary and I still travel Tokyo and matsudo I have not seen a single gun store. Tough prison doesn't mean much.............. when almost no one poses a gun in Japan.
How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths
charwin95
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I will let you know when you are license or qualified to talk to me about guns.
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The Yakuza gets guns whenever they want them....they are currently escalating an ongoing feud between Yakuza groups and looking to buy guns and hire hitmen.
I have posted and article about the Yakuza bosses saying it isn't worth it to have a gun because it is a 30 year sentence.....but before that a thug who did a year or two in prison on a weapons charge got a bump up in the organization...
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Here....you can see how the anti gun journalists lie.....the link you posted uses this man's work...
Japan: Gun Control and People Control
And they lie about it...he does not say what the Atlantic article suggests he says.....watch this...
Quoted from your link to the Atlantic article..
How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths
The only guns that Japanese citizens can legally buy and use are shotguns and air rifles, and it’s not easy to do. The process is detailed in David Kopel’s landmark study on Japanese gun control, published in the 1993 Asia Pacific Law Review, still cited as current. (Kopel, no left-wing loony, is a member of the National Rifle Association and once wrote in National Review that looser gun control laws could have stopped Adolf Hitler.)
My link is his actual work...
What does he actually say about Japan's gun control laws...keeping in mind they use his work to say it is Japanese gun control that keeps gun crime low....from my link....
Japan: Gun Control and People Control
Japan's low crime rate has almost nothing to do with gun control, and everything to do with people control. Americans, used to their own traditions of freedom, would not accept Japan's system of people controls and gun controls.
Notice how they didn't cite him using that quote?
This is the part of his piece they don't qoute...how the Japanese actually keep all crime, not just gun crime low...
Robbery in Japan is about as rare as murder. Japan's annual robbery rate is 1.8 per 100,000 inhabitants; America's is 205.4. Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics? No, they don't. A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates. Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.
The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.
Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.
Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.
Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.
For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.
In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.
The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.
The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.
15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."
The police box system contrasts sharply with the practice in America. Here, most departments adopt a policy of "stranger policing." To prevent corruption, police are frequently rotated from one neighborhood to another. But as federal judge Charles Silberman writes, "the cure is worse than the disease, for officers develop no sense of identification with their beats, hence no emotional stake in improving the quality of life there."
Thus, the U.S. citizenry does not develop a supportive relationship with the police. One poll showed that 60% of police officers believe "it is difficult to persuade people to give patrolmen the information they need."
The Japanese police do not spend all their time in the koban boxes. As the Japanese government puts it: "Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police boxes." Making annual visits to each home in their beat, officers keep track of who lives where, and which family member to contact in case of emergency. The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.
Gun banners might rejoice at a society where the police keep such a sharp eye on citizens' guns. But the price is that the police keep an eye on everything.
Policemen are apt to tell people reading sexually-oriented magazines to read something more worthwhile. Japan's major official year-end police report includes statistics like "Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct." In 1985, the police determined that 37.4% of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had had sex "voluntarily." For the volunteers, 19.6% acted "out of curiosity", while for 18.1%, the motive was "liked particular boy." The year-end police report also includes sections on labor demands, and on anti-nuclear or anti-military demonstrations.
Do you notice the bias in the article in how they quote the expert they quote...how his work completely contradicts their point about gun control...?
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2aguy
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here is how Japan has stopped most gun crime.....the real gun crime...the kind you don't stop by taking guns from normal, law abiding people.....
Yakuza Wars: Is Japan on Verge of New Wave of Gang Fighting?
According to Suzuki, contemporary mafia wars have become very different from what they used to be in the past after the government in recent years introduced very strict penalties for the use of both firearms and bladed-weapons.
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Nowadays, Yakuza gangs need to save their troops as even for a small-scale confrontation several of their members could get arrested. If in the past, killers would get no more than 10 years in prison and upon release they would get a high-ranking position; now they could be facing at least 30 years behind the bars, which means a person's life is essentially over and that changed things dramatically, Suzuki said.
Furthermore, new Japanese anti-gang rules now hold Yakuza bosses responsible for crimes committed by lower-status members of a criminal syndicate, said Atsushi Mizoguchi, another expert on the Japanese crime scene.
"So the bosses will be reluctant to get into a struggle," Mizoguchi told journalists during a press conference last year in Tokyo.
charwin95
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Every single day there are gun deaths and other crimes with guns because the availability of guns all over this country. So basically you want to sell more guns and flood the streets with more guns.
That's your goal right? Don't worry about any laws.................... Just pure lawlessness.
Gun Violence by the Numbers
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Well....we have sold more guns to the public and more Americans are carrying guns for self defense.....4.7 million people carried guns in 2007 and now 13 million people carry guns for self defense...and guess what.....our gun crime rate went down, our gun murder rate went down......
And don't go to the "correlation doesn't equal causation" argument....I am not arguing that here.....I am destroying your whole point......normal, law abiding people owning and carrying guns did not increase the gun crime rate....the CDC, the FBI stats show this.....violent crime went down dramatically starting in the 1990s as more Americans started getting their right to carry guns restored...and the violent crime rate went down, not up, and the gun murder rate went down, not up.......
How do you explain that in relation to your last post?
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