I am all for exchange of ideas, I do it all the time. I draw the line at troll nonsense.
If the founders were here today and saw that the group that is buying massive amounts of arms and amunition are the same ones who just trieds to bring down this country and our democracy to force in a pile of shit called Trump for our first dictator. There would be no second amendment . If there was one it would exclude this group from having guns , how stupid, you don't give out gun to this countries biggest threat and enemy, like is happening now./[/QUOTE]How many times have we heard, "If the founders were alive today,....Your garbage quotes can be over ridden with logic , Gee Golly Gee I wonder what our forefathers thought about the internet. Won't wash/ They had no Idea it would just arm this countries biggest threat. Got that Killer?
Have you ever looked up what the Founders said about firearms? For example:
”What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787
”The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776
“To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788
“I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787
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The Founders had just won a bloody revolution. If you brought them forward to today they would point out that since the Democratic Party wishes to turn our nation into a socialist workers paradise we best keep our right to bear arms as we may need them to preserve our freedom. Real socialist and communist governments like Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, Russia and China are not known for respecting the rights of their citizens. Notice you don’t see many of our citizens leaving our nation to go live in Cuba but you do see plenty of Cubans risking their lives to flee their nation to come here and enjoy our freedom.
In regard to socialism, Karl Marx and socialism did not exist when this country was founded so you would have to explain socialism as it exist in the US today, deficit financing, and the welfare state, the size of economy, and the obligations the government has taken on. You would also have explain capitalism which was not coined until the 19th century, and of course the fact that 24 million people in the US have a severe enough disability that prevents them from working, and nearly 10 million that lack the skills and background to hold down a steady job. etc.... The founders would probably question whether this is the United States that they founded.
Good grief man read what I wrote, They had no way to know what would be happening in 2020, if they could and watched that the people who are buying all the guns and amo were the same group now, that just tried to destroy this country and its demacracy to force in a pile of shit for a dictator. There would be no 2nd amendment. They were smart enough to realize that you don't let the big users of guns be the group who is willing to destroy this country and pick a dictator to stay in power. You don't let this countries biggest threat and enemy be the ones acumulating all the guns. AS it is now. To me it's obvious who shouldn't be allowed to have guns in this country. I mean this isn't rocket science
If they knew that in 2020 the biggest threat and enemy of this country was a hate group they call a party who have no qualms about destroying our country and democracy to stay in power , they would have also written a Amendment to stop that .
Your hate Nazi armed population is who tried to destroy this country and democracy to put in a piece of shit dictator. What a fricken joke. Every supporter of the attempted take over of the capital and country should be shot.
Just as soon as you line up every BLM/Antifa rioter and shoot them.
Still is stupid. You people will not get away with being a traitor to this country. You can't walk away from your support of the attempted destruction of our country and democracy to force in a piece of shit for a dictator. you lost your voice in this country when you sold it out.
bullshit never called all gun owners nazi and I don't want anyone who supported the destruction of our democracy and country at our capital to force in a piece of shit called Trump as a dictator to have or ever have a gun. .. That's what I said and I stand by it. They are this countries biggest threat and enemy. and everyone who went through the front doors in our Capital in that attack to bring down this country should have been shot.
You have lost this debate and now are just bringing on lies , won't work. We know who you are and what you stand for .
Where in the hell did you get the Idea that this thread was about what our forefathers thought .
[/QUOTE]If the founders were here today and saw that the group that is buying massive amounts of arms and amunition are the same ones who just trieds to bring down this country and our democracy to force in a pile of shit called Trump for our first dictator. There would be no second amendment . If there was one it would exclude this group from having guns , how stupid, you don't give out gun to this countries biggest threat and enemy, like is happening now./How many times have we heard, "If the founders were alive today,....Your garbage quotes can be over ridden with logic , Gee Golly Gee I wonder what our forefathers thought about the internet. Won't wash/ They had no Idea it would just arm this countries biggest threat. Got that Killer?
Have you ever looked up what the Founders said about firearms? For example:
”What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787
”The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776
“To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788
“I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787
credit to ....
Gun Quotations of the Founding Fathers | Buckeye Firearms Association
Who knows better what the Second Amendment means than the Founding Fathers? Here are some powerful gun quotations from the Founding Fathers themselves. If you know of a gun quotation from a Founding Father not listed here, send it to us. (But make SURE it's not already listed. Okay?) Back to the...
The Founders had just won a bloody revolution. If you brought them forward to today they would point out that since the Democratic Party wishes to turn our nation into a socialist workers paradise we best keep our right to bear arms as we may need them to preserve our freedom. Real socialist and communist governments like Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, Russia and China are not known for respecting the rights of their citizens. Notice you don’t see many of our citizens leaving our nation to go live in Cuba but you do see plenty of Cubans risking their lives to flee their nation to come here and enjoy our freedom.
In regard to socialism, Karl Marx and socialism did not exist when this country was founded so you would have to explain socialism as it exist in the US today, deficit financing, and the welfare state, the size of economy, and the obligations the government has taken on. You would also have explain capitalism which was not coined until the 19th century, and of course the fact that 24 million people in the US have a severe enough disability that prevents them from working, and nearly 10 million that lack the skills and background to hold down a steady job. etc.... The founders would probably question whether this is the United States that they founded.
Blah, Blah, Blah, ad infinitum.
