Buying a Lemon--Vaccine Defenders--Any Sales/Marketing Folks Out There?

[colfax_m]

They are dying in our own state. And the percentages are increasing all the time.

In the last 30 days (Oct 14- Nov 12), 30,906 (28%) of 109,455 cases, 454 (29%) of 1,540 hospitalizations, and 151 (25%) of 605 deaths were among fully vaccinated individuals

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/coronavirus/20211122_Data_and_modeling_update_vFINAL_742004_7.pdf

From your PDF. Which line would you rather be?
This is the reason that people want others to be vaccinated. We are tired of people dying.

 

[SweetSue92]

Last I looked it was very low. Now Susie says it’s 25% of the deaths are fully vaccinated? I will look that claim up.

It's from the official Michigan govt covid website. It's true even if you nickname me. It's true no matter what. Fully 25% of covid deaths in MI in the last month are among the fully vaccinated. Follow the link and look for yourself. Here, I'll help you. Page 25

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

They are dying in our own state. And the percentages are increasing all the time.

In the last 30 days (Oct 14- Nov 12), 30,906 (28%) of 109,455 cases, 454 (29%) of 1,540 hospitalizations, and 151 (25%) of 605 deaths were among fully vaccinated individuals

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/coronavirus/20211122_Data_and_modeling_update_vFINAL_742004_7.pdf

Sigh....no, they are not. And you seemed to have missed some important bullet points in the linked study. I don't understand your reasoning for not getting vaccinated
but I just returned from Western MI and they are on the verge of surpassing their pandemic high of infections and hospitalizations. The way the virus mutates and
how easily it spreads, your chances will shortly probably rival that of standing at the Black Jack table in Vegas. Sooner or later, your luck runs out.

COVID-19 Vaccines Work
• Research provides evidence that COVID-19 vaccines are effective at preventing COVID-19.
• COVID-19 vaccination helps protect adults and children ages 5 years and older from getting sick or severely ill with
COVID-19 and helps protect those around them.
• To receive the most protection, adults and children ages 5 years and older should receive all recommended doses of a
COVID-19 vaccine.
• Some people who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 will still get sick because no vaccine is 100% effective.
Experts continue to monitor and evaluate how often this occurs, how severe their illness is, and how likely a vaccinated
person is to spread COVID-19 to others.

 

[SweetSue92]

Everyone has a small chance of dying from COVID. Even the obese and those with comorbidities.

This is very true, and sometimes you hit that "lottery" even if you are not obese with no comorbidities. Of course, the Left makes much of this, as if this is the fate of all. It is not. Of course.

 

[gipper]

Yes, and it ties back to the instant moralization of the virus in the first place I think.

The vaccines are more than medicine. They make you Pure.

Yes many think this way. If the establishment dictates something, they follow.

 

[SweetSue92]

Sigh....no, they are not. And you seemed to have missed some important bullet points in the linked study. I don't understand your reasoning for not getting vaccinated
but I just returned from Western MI and they are on the verge of surpassing their pandemic high of infections and hospitalizations. The way the virus mutates and
how easily it spreads, your chances will shortly probably rival that of standing at the Black Jack table in Vegas. Sooner or later, your luck runs out.

COVID-19 Vaccines Work
• Research provides evidence that COVID-19 vaccines are effective at preventing COVID-19.
• COVID-19 vaccination helps protect adults and children ages 5 years and older from getting sick or severely ill with
COVID-19 and helps protect those around them.
• To receive the most protection, adults and children ages 5 years and older should receive all recommended doses of a
COVID-19 vaccine.
• Some people who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 will still get sick because no vaccine is 100% effective.
Experts continue to monitor and evaluate how often this occurs, how severe their illness is, and how likely a vaccinated
person is to spread COVID-19 to others.

These are facts from the Michigan Covid Response Data and Modeling Update. So argue with truth and facts.

 

[SweetSue92]

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From your PDF. Which line would you rather be?
This is the reason that people want others to be vaccinated. We are tired of people dying.

Yes, cut off in Sept. Isn't that convenient? Just before Delta and the vaccines wore off.

Hey "doc" won't you tell us about "grad school"?

 

[SweetSue92]

Some Vaccinated People Are Dying of Covid-19. Here's Why Scientists Aren't Surprised.

Plenty more data out there is you actually want the facts. Of course the vaccinated are dying.

"OF COURSE THE VACCINATED ARE DYING"

This would be a clue to all thinking people to have some healthy skepticism. But not the Vaccine Church, nope. No facts, no reasons, no truth or data will dispel True Belief

 

[Harpy Eagle]

They are dying in our own state. And the percentages are increasing all the time.

In the last 30 days (Oct 14- Nov 12), 30,906 (28%) of 109,455 cases, 454 (29%) of 1,540 hospitalizations, and 151 (25%) of 605 deaths were among fully vaccinated individuals

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/coronavirus/20211122_Data_and_modeling_update_vFINAL_742004_7.pdf

Your numbers support the case the vaccine helps, but is not all that it was hyped to be

 

[SweetSue92]

Sigh....no, they are not. And you seemed to have missed some important bullet points in the linked study. I don't understand your reasoning for not getting vaccinated
but I just returned from Western MI and they are on the verge of surpassing their pandemic high of infections and hospitalizations. The way the virus mutates and
how easily it spreads, your chances will shortly probably rival that of standing at the Black Jack table in Vegas. Sooner or later, your luck runs out.

COVID-19 Vaccines Work
• Research provides evidence that COVID-19 vaccines are effective at preventing COVID-19.
• COVID-19 vaccination helps protect adults and children ages 5 years and older from getting sick or severely ill with
COVID-19 and helps protect those around them.
• To receive the most protection, adults and children ages 5 years and older should receive all recommended doses of a
COVID-19 vaccine.
• Some people who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 will still get sick because no vaccine is 100% effective.
Experts continue to monitor and evaluate how often this occurs, how severe their illness is, and how likely a vaccinated
person is to spread COVID-19 to others.

The linked stuff you included is the propaganda. You're not very good at weeding out facts, data and statistics from propaganda, are you?

We have identified a big part of the problem. Not that we didn't know.

 

[gipper]

Sigh....no, they are not. And you seemed to have missed some important bullet points in the linked study. I don't understand your reasoning for not getting vaccinated
but I just returned from Western MI and they are on the verge of surpassing their pandemic high of infections and hospitalizations. The way the virus mutates and
how easily it spreads, your chances will shortly probably rival that of standing at the Black Jack table in Vegas. Sooner or later, your luck runs out.

COVID-19 Vaccines Work
• Research provides evidence that COVID-19 vaccines are effective at preventing COVID-19.
• COVID-19 vaccination helps protect adults and children ages 5 years and older from getting sick or severely ill with
COVID-19 and helps protect those around them.
• To receive the most protection, adults and children ages 5 years and older should receive all recommended doses of a
COVID-19 vaccine.
• Some people who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 will still get sick because no vaccine is 100% effective.
Experts continue to monitor and evaluate how often this occurs, how severe their illness is, and how likely a vaccinated
person is to spread COVID-19 to others.

Lol. There’s a myriad of reasons for not getting vaxed. If you don’t know at least some of them, you’re a fool.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

"OF COURSE THE VACCINATED ARE DYING"

This would be a clue to all thinking people to have some healthy skepticism. But not the Vaccine Church, nope. No facts, no reasons, no truth or data will dispel True Belief

No direct evidence of this. Stop spreading misinformation...and cherry picking your data.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Why?

Its' the same reason that prostitution is illegal but porn is not.

Or, it is the same reason why if you post anything negative about the vaccine it is immediately censored and taken down, while people all over the country are arrested for watching child porn that is left up and running on the internet, etc.

All that matters is the political power of the DNC, and any laws that contradict that power are either ignored or will be changed.

In fact, have the packed SCOTUS yet?

Do you really think that DNC is the only side to which political power is all that matters?

Prostitution is not illegal because of the DNC.

Pot is not illegal due to the DNC.

There is not just one power happy/control happy group in DC

 

[SweetSue92]

Your numbers support the case the vaccine helps, but is not all that it was hyped to be

....yes, and so it is perfectly reasonable to weigh your options. The vaccines come with some hefty side effects. Are they THAT protective? Etc, etc, etc

 

[Burgermeister]

But it's not. Not at my age, in my health demographic. I stand a very small chance of death from coronavirus

I agree. The vaxx can kill you.

 

[SweetSue92]

No direct evidence of this. Stop spreading misinformation...and cherry picking your data.

The direct evidence is in the report I JUST CITED. Hello???

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

The linked stuff you included is the propaganda. You're not very good at weeding out facts, data and statistics from propaganda, are you?

We have identified a big part of the problem. Not that we didn't know.

No it's not. It's actually from the same study you linked. It's sound public health information included to remind people like you that this pandemic isn't a hoax. And that vaccines do work.

 

[gipper]

No direct evidence of this. Stop spreading misinformation...and cherry picking your data.

If you are claiming the vaxxed aren’t dying, you’re mistaken.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

....yes, and so it is perfectly reasonable to weigh your options. The vaccines come with some hefty side effects. Are they THAT protective? Etc, etc, etc

Just like with any other drug. The list of "possible side effects" they read during the drug ads on the TV is enough to keep one from wanting to try any of them.

This is the list of possible side effects from my twice daily inhaler...

• fungal infection in your mouth or throat (thrush). Rinse your mouth with water without swallowing after using ADVAIR DISKUS to help reduce your chance of getting thrush.
• pneumonia.People with COPD have a higher chance of getting pneumonia. ADVAIR DISKUS may increase the chance of getting pneumonia. Call your healthcare provider if you notice any of the following symptoms:
  • increase in mucus (sputum) production
  • change in mucus color
  • fever
  • chills
  • increased cough
  • increased breathing problems
• weakened immune system and increased chance of getting infections (immunosuppression)
• reduced adrenal function (adrenal insufficiency).Adrenal insufficiency is a condition where the adrenal glands do not make enough steroid hormones. This can happen when you stop taking oral corticosteroid medicines (such as prednisone) and start taking a medicine containing an inhaled steroid (such as ADVAIR DISKUS). During this transition period, when your body is under stress such as from fever, trauma (such as a car accident), infection, surgery, or worse COPD symptoms, adrenal insufficiency can get worse and may cause death. Symptoms of adrenal insufficiency include:
  • feeling tired
  • lack of energy
  • weakness
  • nausea and vomiting
  • low blood pressure (hypotension)
• sudden breathing problems immediately after inhaling your medicine. If you have sudden breathing problems immediately after inhaling your medicine, stop using ADVAIR DISKUS and call your healthcare provider right away.
• serious allergic reactions.Call your healthcare provider or get emergency medical care if you get any of the following symptoms of a serious allergic reaction:
  • rash
  • hives
  • swelling of your face, mouth, and tongue
  • breathing problems
• effects on heart
  • increased blood pressure
  • a fast or irregular heartbeat
  • chest pain
• effects on nervous system
  • tremor
  • nervousness
• bone thinning or weakness (osteoporosis)
• slowed growth in children. A child's growth should be checked regularly by the healthcare provider while using ADVAIR DISKUS.
• eye problems including glaucoma, increased pressure in your eye, cataracts, or other changes in vision. You should have regular eye exams while using ADVAIR DISKUS.
• changes in laboratory blood levels (sugar, potassium, certain types of white blood cells)

 

[SweetSue92]

Do you really think that DNC is the only side to which political power is all that matters?

Prostitution is not illegal because of the DNC.

Pot is not illegal due to the DNC.

There is not just one power happy/control happy group in DC

Big government is always dangerous and must be monitored. The question is: which "side" wants bigger govt and more power right now. Though neither side is perfect, it's clear Americans have made their choice at least for the present.