Zone1 But the Books of the Bible Were Written After the Events Took Place, Proving Its Not True

[onefour1]

WHEN WAS EACH BOOK OF THE BIBLE WRITTEN?

 

[DudleySmith]

The new testament isn't in the dead sea scrolls.

The OT is cited in the NT, and the NT follows the OT and Torah teachings extensively, so yes, it is.

 

[BreezeWood]

It's a shame that Jesus was illiterate.

... someone escaped their padded cell, the zoo gates were left open - the klan has joined the naacp ...

 

[DudleySmith]

WHEN WAS EACH BOOK OF THE BIBLE WRITTEN?

Pretty close, yes. That is still later than when they were composed. As I said earlier, when they were 'written down' isn't the same as when they were created. They were themselves based on earlier writings according to some scholars.

 

[DudleySmith]

The sane people will note that anyone attempting to rewrite the books in the 4th Century would have been laughed out of their churches and no bishop would even have attempted to; they were too well established to be screwed with. And, Christians were not in the least intimidated by any Roman Emperor, and one could never force them to rewrite a single word of their 'books'. They had resisted many purges and persecutions already. And, Constantine was too superstitious to even try something like that. It's just a stupid retarded claim by dumbasses who have zero to back up their fake claims.

 

[DudleySmith]

... someone escaped their padded cell, the zoo gates were left open - the klan has joined the naacp ...

Yes, you're nuts. We already know that.

 

[BreezeWood]

They were themselves based on earlier writings according to some scholars.

there are no original copies in existence nor a word written by jesus nor were there ever 10 commandments etched in stone from the heavens claimed by the liar moses - the desert religions of servitude.

the true heavenly religion of antiquity can be spoken today as it was by jesus and those preceding him for who cares to listen - the triumph of good vs evil - is the task necessary to be fulfilled for there to be judgement and the goal of remission to paradise.

 

[DudleySmith]

there are no original copies in existence nor a word written by jesus nor were there ever 10 commandments etched in stone from the heavens claimed by the liar moses - the desert religions of servitude.

the true heavenly religion of antiquity can be spoken today as it was by jesus and those preceding him for who cares to listen - the triumph of good vs evil - is the task necessary to be fulfilled for there to be judgement and the goal of remission to paradise.

They're all 'original copies', dumbass. They're all from the original sources.

 

[Woodznutz]

the point was there were enclaves, councils, and every means of discourse known to humanity to write their 4th century book, written over all but 100 years ... where are their archives, minutes of their meetings who were involved - even a copy of their original completed document ... no where to be found.

and certainly not one word written by jesus included that speaks for itself the authenticity of the - state church of the roman empire.

liberation theology, self determination is what they died for in the 1st century - that was their new religion.

Interesting opinion.

 

[BreezeWood]

They're all 'original copies', dumbass. They're all from the original sources.

they are non existent, no one knows what they included and are no more verifiable than the documents that do exist that have no basis for any of their heavenly renditions.

 

[Woodznutz]

they are non existent, no one knows what they included and are no more verifiable than the documents that do exist that have no basis for any of their heavenly renditions.

The originals may be part of someone's private collection or stored in the bowels of the Vatican. The tablets of stone may turn up yet. News at 'the eleventh hour'.

 

[DudleySmith]

The originals may be part of someone's private collection or stored in the bowels of the Vatican.

For those unfamiliar with historical texts and provenances ...

Arthur Asuncion's Official Site: Is The Bible Accurate And Reliable In Transmission?

With both an Old and a New Testament, the Bible is a collection of 66 books ranging from Genesis to Revelation. Since the Bible is an ancient book that has been hand-copied by scribes for many generations, some have questioned the accuracy of the copied manuscripts that are available today. The primarily focus here will be on the accuracy of the transmisson of the New Testament text.


While variants, like stylistic changes and variations in spelling, inevitably did come into the text, the variants do not put any Biblical doctrines "in jeopardy," according to Dr. Bruce Metzeger of Princeton Theological Seminary 1 . In fact, according to Biblical scholars Norman Geisler and William Nix, the New Testament has a 99.5% purity rate in terms of accuracy -- a better accuracy rate than any other well-known book 2 .


When compared to other works of antiquity, the Bible has multitudes of manuscripts. The amount of manuscripts is important since individual manuscripts can be checked with the rest of the manuscripts for variants. Here is a breakdown of the amount of New Testament copies in comparison to other amount of copies of other ancient works:

• • Over 20,000 New Testament manuscripts exist 3 .
  • The Roman historian Tacitus wrote the Annals of Imperial Rome . There is only one manuscript of his first six books and another manuscript for books eleven to sixteen (the other books are lost) 4 .
  • Josephus's work, The Jewish War has 9 Greek manuscripts, a Latin translation, and other Russian translations 5 .
  • The runner-up to the New Testament in terms of manuscript amount is Homer's Iliad . There are less than 650 Greek manuscripts 6 .

Evincing the superiority of the New Testament text over other ancient works in terms of the number of available manuscripts, the comparison above reveals that the existing texts of the New Testament can be verified with multitudes of other copies and therefore can be trusted to be an accurate representation of the original texts.

See also Darrel Bock's The Missing Gospels, F.F. Bruces' many essays, and more.

 

[Anomalism]

the OP's comparison is valid.

Delusional, but whatever. I learned years ago that religious people  need their beliefs, so there's no talking them out of it, and I've started to believe I shouldn't try anyway. If the Bible gives you peace I'm happy for you

 

[SweetSue92]

He didn't compare it to just Christ, who probably existed. He compared it to the validity of the Bible in general. If you actually think Alexander the Great's existence is no more verified than the validity of the Bible you're delusional. His actions created echoes that still persist today. The Greek conquest of eastern Europe is verifiable history.

We going to do this with Genghis Khan?

Julius Caesar?

Leif Erickson?

I'm not sure what your point is here. The OP is saying that citing "the Bible was written after the fact, therefore it's not valid" is a bad argument. He's correct, btw. The Gospels were basically "hot off the presses" for the time period.

It's rather funny to me though, your line "his actions created echoes that still persist today". Alexander the Great did not build a church on pretty much every street corner in middle America, nor name legions of boys Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. And on, and on, and on.....

 

[SweetSue92]

Delusional, but whatever. I learned years ago that religious people  need their beliefs, so there's no talking them out of it, and I've started to believe I shouldn't try anyway. If the Bible gives you peace I'm happy for you

None of this makes any sense without it.

I'm just a layperson, but the more I learn about the universe, the more I understand this.

 

[BreezeWood]

- the comparison above reveals that the existing texts of the New Testament can be verified with multitudes of other copies

there are no originals in existence for verification of those text or origin - much less the original 4th century document itself - does not exist ...

provide the stone tablets claimed by moses etched in the heavens w/ 10 commandments or remove them from all tree desert religion documents. they never existed.

provide all renderings of jesus and documents written during the time of jesus and their recordings.

the point is not the existence of jesus rather the events of the 1st century and the cause for their crucifixion - liberation theology, self determination not found in the publications written by the crucifiers themselves.

the new religion taught by jesus and those willing to die for their beliefs. a repudiation of judaism, hereditary idolatry - apartheid heaven for themselves.

 

[DudleySmith]

there are no originals in existence for verification of those text or origin - much less the original 4th century document itself - does not exist ...

provide the stone tablets claimed by moses etched in the heavens w/ 10 commandments or remove them from all tree desert religion documents. they never existed.

provide all renderings of jesus and documents written during the time of jesus and their recordings.

the point is not the existence of jesus rather the events of the 1st century and the cause for their crucifixion - liberation theology, self determination not found in the publications written by the crucifiers themselves.

the new religion taught by jesus and those willing to die for their beliefs. a repudiation of judaism, hereditary idolatry - apartheid heaven for themselves.

So all you have is the same old rubbish that gets refuted over and over and over again.

Can you share what color pony you demanded God to give you? Was it a unicorn?

 

[Wiggle_Piggy]

I have to wonder whether the 'religion and ethics' section is intended to have topics that are intended to argue against religion?

Wouldn't it be reasonable to expect that topics should be limited to the acceptance of religion and the promotion of same?

Are you advocating for safe spaces?

 

[Arlette]

there are no originals in existence for verification of those text or origin - much less the original 4th century document itself - does not exist ...

provide the stone tablets claimed by moses etched in the heavens w/ 10 commandments or remove them from all tree desert religion documents. they never existed.

provide all renderings of jesus and documents written during the time of jesus and their recordings.

the point is not the existence of jesus rather the events of the 1st century and the cause for their crucifixion - liberation theology, self determination not found in the publications written by the crucifiers themselves.

the new religion taught by jesus and those willing to die for their beliefs. a repudiation of judaism, hereditary idolatry - apartheid heaven for themselves.

Why do you care that you don't have the original texts? Your religion doesn't require you to prove anything. You're supposed to have faith in the accuracy of the texts that you do have, namely what's written in the Bible. From what I understand you don't even have to follow all the instructions of what to do cause you couldn't anyway. You're nature is sinful and the fuck ups will be forgiven.
Just run with that.
Some people, like me, they can't be reached because we link facts to truth. Facts establish truth and it just so happens that the Bible is short on facts. That puts a lid on the whole faith thing.

 

[BreezeWood]

So all you have is the same old rubbish that gets refuted over and over and over again.

Can you share what color pony you demanded God to give you? Was it a unicorn?

provide the stone tablets claimed by moses etched in the heavens w/ 10 commandments or remove them from all tree desert religion documents. they never existed.

you worship a liar - that's your problem not mine ... judaism, hereditary idolatry - apartheid heaven is not what jesus and those that died w/ him believed in - that is why they were crucified.


your manors mimic judaism - good luck w/ your false religion.