But...I thought Australia solved their gun crime problem by banning guns...so...how do these criminals have guns?

[2aguy]

Another article on gun crime in Australia .......

More than 14 hardened criminals are being found in possession of firearms each week as the state grapples with a rising gun culture that has led to twice as many Victorians shot dead in 2019.

The Age can reveal 52 people were shot and 14 fatally gunned down across the state last year, twice as many as the previous 12 months, with handguns increasingly used by criminals to settle drug debts or underworld disputes.

During the past 24 hours lives were threatened in two separate gun crimes in Melbourne's north after a shot was fired as a Hadfield supermarket owner wrestled a gun from the hand of a robber and armed bandits reportedly stormed a Westmeadows tavern eight kilometres away.
-----

Anti-gangs division Detective Superintendent Peter Brigham said illegal firearms were routinely unearthed at the homes of drug traffickers and in the possession of “gangster types” chasing image and status.

Gun violence grips Victoria as deadly shootings double

More than 14 hardened criminals are being found in possession of firearms each week as the state grapples with a rising gun culture that has led to a 50 per cent spike in the number of Victorian's gunned down in 2019.

www.theage.com.au

Quick question......are "Assault rifles," banned in Australia now?

How about grenades....you know...grenades?

n September, a 35-year-old Docklands man was sentenced to at least eight years' jail for heroin trafficking. As part of his plea deal, the former Iraqi national led police to a cache of weapons wrapped in plastic and hidden in a Melbourne drain. They included an SKS assault rifle and grenades.

See...the problem? Australia seems to have forgotten to ban high powered military rifles for criminals........perhaps they should pass more gun control laws.....

And while handguns were proving to be the gun of choice among young men, high powered military-grade firearms were in demand from the city’s outlaw motorcycle gangs.

52 people were shot last year? That's what you call out of control gun crime?

What do you call 30,000 people shot last year?

And you lie...of those 30,000, 23,000 were suicides.....in 2019 there were 10,258 gun murders in the U.S.....70-80% of the victims were criminals engaged in crime.....of the rest, the majority of them are friends and family of criminals caught in the crossfire....

Meanwhile....Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies and murders....according to the Centers for Disease Control...

Australia has a gun murder rate because their criminals choose not to commit murder...they have guns, they just don't use them to murder each other in large numbers...but that is changing...their drug gangs are being taken over by 3rd world males, who don't care about Australian laws or culture....

 

[Crepitus]

Another article on gun crime in Australia .......

More than 14 hardened criminals are being found in possession of firearms each week as the state grapples with a rising gun culture that has led to twice as many Victorians shot dead in 2019.

The Age can reveal 52 people were shot and 14 fatally gunned down across the state last year, twice as many as the previous 12 months, with handguns increasingly used by criminals to settle drug debts or underworld disputes.

During the past 24 hours lives were threatened in two separate gun crimes in Melbourne's north after a shot was fired as a Hadfield supermarket owner wrestled a gun from the hand of a robber and armed bandits reportedly stormed a Westmeadows tavern eight kilometres away.
-----

Anti-gangs division Detective Superintendent Peter Brigham said illegal firearms were routinely unearthed at the homes of drug traffickers and in the possession of “gangster types” chasing image and status.

Gun violence grips Victoria as deadly shootings double

More than 14 hardened criminals are being found in possession of firearms each week as the state grapples with a rising gun culture that has led to a 50 per cent spike in the number of Victorian's gunned down in 2019.

www.theage.com.au

Quick question......are "Assault rifles," banned in Australia now?

How about grenades....you know...grenades?

n September, a 35-year-old Docklands man was sentenced to at least eight years' jail for heroin trafficking. As part of his plea deal, the former Iraqi national led police to a cache of weapons wrapped in plastic and hidden in a Melbourne drain. They included an SKS assault rifle and grenades.

See...the problem? Australia seems to have forgotten to ban high powered military rifles for criminals........perhaps they should pass more gun control laws.....

And while handguns were proving to be the gun of choice among young men, high powered military-grade firearms were in demand from the city’s outlaw motorcycle gangs.

52 people were shot last year? That's what you call out of control gun crime?

What do you call 30,000 people shot last year?

And you lie...of those 30,000, 23,000 were suicides.....in 2019 there were 10,258 gun murders in the U.S.....70-80% of the victims were criminals engaged in crime.....of the rest, the majority of them are friends and family of criminals caught in the crossfire....

Meanwhile....Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies and murders....according to the Centers for Disease Control...

Australia has a gun murder rate because their criminals choose not to commit murder...they have guns, they just don't use them to murder each other in large numbers...but that is changing...their drug gangs are being taken over by 3rd world males, who don't care about Australian laws or culture....

Link those stats.

Not from breightbart.

 

[Jake Winker Frogen]

Americans shoot each other like they are playing frisbee.

America has more accidental gun deaths than any democratic country on Earth, you kill your kids and friends and uncles and neighbours like serial killers in a bad B movie.

No, Americans don't shoot each other, criminals shoot each other.

We have over 600 million guns in private hands, and over 19.4 million people have permits to carry guns for self defense....... over 320 million people in the country...



Accidental gun deaths?

In 2018, 458 accidental gun deaths....you moron.

Meanwhile, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives....from rape, robbery and murder according to the Centers for Disease Control.....

Who is confining it to accidental gun deaths?

It is also the half wit uncle who shoots a neighbour in a rage or domestic gun violence or crimes that in other nations are not violent but in the USA involve guns.

For instance the UK has recently seen a wave of knife crime, had they the access to guns the US has the death toll would be horrendous, like the US.

I'd shoot someone coming after me with a knife neighbor or no neighbor. See how this works?

Yeah you are probably the kind of Yank who shoots a kid for hitting his car with a frisbee too.

 

[2aguy]

Another article on gun crime in Australia .......

More than 14 hardened criminals are being found in possession of firearms each week as the state grapples with a rising gun culture that has led to twice as many Victorians shot dead in 2019.

The Age can reveal 52 people were shot and 14 fatally gunned down across the state last year, twice as many as the previous 12 months, with handguns increasingly used by criminals to settle drug debts or underworld disputes.

During the past 24 hours lives were threatened in two separate gun crimes in Melbourne's north after a shot was fired as a Hadfield supermarket owner wrestled a gun from the hand of a robber and armed bandits reportedly stormed a Westmeadows tavern eight kilometres away.
-----

Anti-gangs division Detective Superintendent Peter Brigham said illegal firearms were routinely unearthed at the homes of drug traffickers and in the possession of “gangster types” chasing image and status.

Gun violence grips Victoria as deadly shootings double

More than 14 hardened criminals are being found in possession of firearms each week as the state grapples with a rising gun culture that has led to a 50 per cent spike in the number of Victorian's gunned down in 2019.

www.theage.com.au

Quick question......are "Assault rifles," banned in Australia now?

How about grenades....you know...grenades?

n September, a 35-year-old Docklands man was sentenced to at least eight years' jail for heroin trafficking. As part of his plea deal, the former Iraqi national led police to a cache of weapons wrapped in plastic and hidden in a Melbourne drain. They included an SKS assault rifle and grenades.

See...the problem? Australia seems to have forgotten to ban high powered military rifles for criminals........perhaps they should pass more gun control laws.....

And while handguns were proving to be the gun of choice among young men, high powered military-grade firearms were in demand from the city’s outlaw motorcycle gangs.

52 people were shot last year? That's what you call out of control gun crime?

What do you call 30,000 people shot last year?

And you lie...of those 30,000, 23,000 were suicides.....in 2019 there were 10,258 gun murders in the U.S.....70-80% of the victims were criminals engaged in crime.....of the rest, the majority of them are friends and family of criminals caught in the crossfire....

Meanwhile....Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies and murders....according to the Centers for Disease Control...

Australia has a gun murder rate because their criminals choose not to commit murder...they have guns, they just don't use them to murder each other in large numbers...but that is changing...their drug gangs are being taken over by 3rd world males, who don't care about Australian laws or culture....

Link those stats.

Not from breightbart.

Gun suicides.... 24,432 (2018)

Broker Version 9.4 (Build 1366)

Gun murder... 2018 ( 10,445)....2019 ( 10,258)

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

ucr.fbi.gov

1.1 million defensive gun uses.....

What Do CDC's Surveys Say About the Frequency of Defensive Gun Uses? by Gary Kleck :: SSRN



70-80% of gun murder victims...

Most murder victims in big cities have criminal record

A review of murder statistics across America shows that in many large cities, up to 90 percent of the victims have criminal records.
======================
The report concludes that “of the 2011 homicide victims, 77 percent (66) had a least one prior arrest and of the known 2011 homicide suspects 90 percent (74) had at least one prior arrest.”
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In early 2012, after pressure put on the police by murder victims’ families in New Orleans, the police department stopped revealing whether or not the murder victim had a prior record.
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Though data is no longer published in Baltimore, USA Today reported in 2007 that 91 percent of the then-205 murder victims in the city between Jan. 1 and Aug. 31, 2007, had criminal records.
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http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

I. VIOLENCE: THE DECISIVENESS OF SOCIAL FACTORS

One reason the extent of gun ownership in a society does not spur the murder rate is that murderers are not spread evenly throughout the population. Analysis of perpetrator studies shows that violent criminals—especially murderers—“almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behav‐ ior.”37 So it would not appreciably raise violence if all law‐ abiding, responsible people had firearms because they are not the ones who rape, rob, or murder.38 By the same token, violent crime would not fall if guns were totally banned to civilians. As the respective examples of Luxembourg and Russia suggest,39 individuals who commit violent crimes will either find guns despite severe controls or will find other weapons to use. 40

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III. DO ORDINARY PEOPLE MURDER?

The “more guns equal more death” mantra seems plausible only when viewed through the rubric that murders mostly in‐ volve ordinary people who kill because they have access to a firearm when they get angry. If this were true, murder might well increase where people have ready access to firearms, but the available data provides no such correlation. Nations and


areas with more guns per capita do not have higher murder rates than those with fewer guns per capita.53

Nevertheless, critics of gun ownership often argue that a “gun in the closet to protect against burglars will most likely be used to shoot a spouse in a moment of rage . . . . The problem is you and me—law‐abiding folks;”54 that banning handgun posses‐ sion only for those with criminal records will “fail to protect us from the most likely source of handgun murder: ordinary citi‐ zens;”55 that “most gun‐related homicides . . . are the result of impulsive actions taken by individuals who have little or no criminal background or who are known to the victims;”56 that “the majority of firearm homicide[s occur] . . . not as the result of criminal activity, but because of arguments between people who know each other;”57 that each year there are thousands of gun murders “by law‐abiding citizens who might have stayed law‐abiding if they had not possessed firearms.”58

These comments appear to rest on no evidence and actually con‐ tradict facts that have so uniformly been established by homicide studies dating back to the 1890s that they have become “crimino‐ logical axioms.”59 Insofar as studies focus on perpetrators, they show that neither a majority, nor many, nor virtually any murder‐ ers are ordinary “law‐abiding citizens.”60

Rather, almost all mur‐ derers are extremely aberrant individuals with life histories of violence, psychopathology, substance abuse, and other dangerous behaviors. “The vast majority of persons involved in life‐ threatening violence have a long criminal record with many prior contacts with the justice system.”61 “Thus homicide—[whether] of a

stranger or [of] someone known to the offender—‘is usually part of a pattern of violence, engaged in by people who are known . . . as violence prone.’”62

Though only 15% of Americans over the age of 15 have arrest records,63 approximately 90 percent of “adult mur‐ derers have adult records, with an average adult criminal career [involving crimes committed as an adult rather than a child] of six or more years, including four major adult felony arrests.”64

These national statistics dovetail with data from local nineteenth and twentieth century studies. For example: victims as well as offenders [in 1950s and 1960s Philadelphia murders] . . . tended to be people with prior police records, usually for violent crimes such as as‐ sault.”65


“The great majority of both perpetrators and victims of [1970s Harlem] assaults and murders had previous [adult] arrests, probably over 80% or more.”66 Boston police and probation officers in the 1990s agreed that of those juvenile‐perpetrated murders where all the facts were known, virtually all were committed by gang members, though the killing was not necessarily gang‐ directed. 67 One example would be a gang member who stabs his girlfriend to death in a fit of anger.68 Regardless of their arrests for other crimes, 80% of 1997 Atlanta murder arrestees had at least one earlier drug offense with 70% having 3 or more prior drug of‐ fenses.69

A New York Times study of the 1,662 murders committed in that city in the years 2003–2005 found that “[m]ore than 90 percent of the killers had criminal records.”70 Baltimore police figures show that “92 percent of murder suspects had [prior] criminal records in 2006.”71 Several of the more recent homicide studies just reviewed


*

Baltimore...

2017 homicide data provide insight into Baltimore's gun wars, police say

About 86 percent of the victims and 85 percent of the 118 suspects identified by police had prior criminal records. And about 46 percent of victims and 44 percent of suspects had previously been arrested for gun crimes, the data show.

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The average homicide victim in Baltimore in 2017 had 11 previous arrests on his record. About 73 percent had drug arrests, and nearly 50 percent had been arrested for a violent crime. About 30 percent were on parole or probation at the time they were killed, and more than 6 percent were on parole or probation for a gun crime.

Chicago...

Gang Killers In Chicago Used Christmas Gatherings To Target Their Victims

Gang killers, knowing their targets would be home for Christmas, launched a bloody weekend of shootings in Chicago that left 11 dead and another 37 wounded.

"We now know that the majority of these shootings and homicides were targeted attacks by gangs against potential rivals who were at holiday gatherings. This was followed by several acts of retaliatory gun violence," police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said in a statement Monday.

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The violence primarily occurred in areas with historical gang conflicts on the South and West Side of Chicago."



"Ninety percent of those fatally wounded had gang affiliations, criminal histories and were pre-identified by the department's strategic subject algorithm as being a potential suspect or victim of gun violence," Guglielmi said.
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Chicago police boss calls weekend gun violence 'completely unacceptable'

At an unrelated news conference Monday on the city's Southwest Side, Johnson brought up the Mother's Day weekend violence himself in his prepared remarks. He focused his remarks on how much of the bloodshed is being driven by about 1,300 individuals on the Police Department's "strategic subject list" — those believed to be most prone to violence as a victim or offender.

About 78 percent of the homicide victims and about 84 percent of the nonfatal shooting victims this weekend were on the list, he said.

"That means essentially we know who they are," he told reporters at 50th Street and South Karlov Avenue, where a Chicago police officer fatally shot a bank robbery suspect on Monday. "Oftentimes, they have gang affiliations, and many have had previous arrests and convictions."
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He then ticked off nearly 10 examples of how many arrests these victims had on their records, ranging from 20 each all the way up to 41.


====

Milwaukee...
PolitiFact - 85 percent of shooting suspects and victims in Milwaukee have "extensive criminal record," police chief says
Non-fatal shootings:

In non-fatal shootings in 2011, 97 percent of the 177 suspects and 86 percent of the 473 victims had at least one prior arrest. The report doesn’t say how many.

However, O’Brien said a closer analysis of non-fatal shootings during a six-week period in July and August 2011, when non-fatal shootings increased, found that suspects had an average of 7.5 prior arrests and victims had an average of about six. O’Brien said that based on her past studies, she would expect that the rest of the suspects and victims in the non-fatal shootings in 2011 had a similar number of prior arrests.

So, more than 85 percent of the people involved in non-fatal shootings had at least one prior arrest. And there’s a strong indication, though not complete numbers, that most people involved in the non-fatal shootings had at least several prior arrests.

 

[2aguy]

Another article on gun crime in Australia .......

More than 14 hardened criminals are being found in possession of firearms each week as the state grapples with a rising gun culture that has led to twice as many Victorians shot dead in 2019.

The Age can reveal 52 people were shot and 14 fatally gunned down across the state last year, twice as many as the previous 12 months, with handguns increasingly used by criminals to settle drug debts or underworld disputes.

During the past 24 hours lives were threatened in two separate gun crimes in Melbourne's north after a shot was fired as a Hadfield supermarket owner wrestled a gun from the hand of a robber and armed bandits reportedly stormed a Westmeadows tavern eight kilometres away.
-----

Anti-gangs division Detective Superintendent Peter Brigham said illegal firearms were routinely unearthed at the homes of drug traffickers and in the possession of “gangster types” chasing image and status.

Gun violence grips Victoria as deadly shootings double

More than 14 hardened criminals are being found in possession of firearms each week as the state grapples with a rising gun culture that has led to a 50 per cent spike in the number of Victorian's gunned down in 2019.

www.theage.com.au

Quick question......are "Assault rifles," banned in Australia now?

How about grenades....you know...grenades?

n September, a 35-year-old Docklands man was sentenced to at least eight years' jail for heroin trafficking. As part of his plea deal, the former Iraqi national led police to a cache of weapons wrapped in plastic and hidden in a Melbourne drain. They included an SKS assault rifle and grenades.

See...the problem? Australia seems to have forgotten to ban high powered military rifles for criminals........perhaps they should pass more gun control laws.....

And while handguns were proving to be the gun of choice among young men, high powered military-grade firearms were in demand from the city’s outlaw motorcycle gangs.

52 people were shot last year? That's what you call out of control gun crime?

What do you call 30,000 people shot last year?

And you lie...of those 30,000, 23,000 were suicides.....in 2019 there were 10,258 gun murders in the U.S.....70-80% of the victims were criminals engaged in crime.....of the rest, the majority of them are friends and family of criminals caught in the crossfire....

Meanwhile....Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies and murders....according to the Centers for Disease Control...

Australia has a gun murder rate because their criminals choose not to commit murder...they have guns, they just don't use them to murder each other in large numbers...but that is changing...their drug gangs are being taken over by 3rd world males, who don't care about Australian laws or culture....

Link those stats.

Not from breightbart.

You doofus...........

CDC, FBI, and other research groups...you moron....

 

[Dr Grump]

Australia doesn't have a gun problem.

 

[2aguy]

Australia doesn't have a gun problem.

Yes....they do....

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/gun-violence-grips-melbourne-20200212-p5402v.html

More than 14 hardened criminals are being found in possession of firearms each week as the state grapples with a rising gun culture that has led to twice as many Victorians shot dead in 2019.
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Anti-gangs division Detective Superintendent Peter Brigham said illegal firearms were routinely unearthed at the homes of drug traffickers and in the possession of “gangster types” chasing image and status.
----
In September, a 35-year-old Docklands man was sentenced to at least eight years' jail for heroin trafficking. As part of his plea deal, the former Iraqi national led police to a cache of weapons wrapped in plastic and hidden in a Melbourne drain. They included an SKS assault rifle and grenades.
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And while handguns were proving to be the gun of choice among young men, high powered military-grade firearms were in demand from the city’s outlaw motorcycle gangs
======

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

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Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

-----------

While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

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These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

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Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.

============

The second part of the series....

http://www.theage.com.au/interactive/2016/gun-city/day2.html


========================
'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.

And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Americans shoot each other like they are playing frisbee.

America has more accidental gun deaths than any democratic country on Earth, you kill your kids and friends and uncles and neighbours like serial killers in a bad B movie.

No, Americans don't shoot each other, criminals shoot each other.

We have over 600 million guns in private hands, and over 19.4 million people have permits to carry guns for self defense....... over 320 million people in the country...



Accidental gun deaths?

In 2018, 458 accidental gun deaths....you moron.

Meanwhile, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives....from rape, robbery and murder according to the Centers for Disease Control.....

Who is confining it to accidental gun deaths?

It is also the half wit uncle who shoots a neighbour in a rage or domestic gun violence or crimes that in other nations are not violent but in the USA involve guns.

For instance the UK has recently seen a wave of knife crime, had they the access to guns the US has the death toll would be horrendous, like the US.

I'd shoot someone coming after me with a knife neighbor or no neighbor. See how this works?

Yeah you are probably the kind of Yank who shoots a kid for hitting his car with a frisbee too.

Actually, I am a southerner--Texan more specifically originally. "Yank" is kinda an insult given that southerners used to call northerners yanks/yankees.

This said you really can't tell the moral difference between someone with a knife coming after you and some random kid with a frisbee? Really? No wonder they don't allow the brits whatever you are to play with guns. We don't allow children or the mental ill here to have them either.

I am actually a woman---raised on a small farm but never thought of guns being that important till two guys (one may have been a woman) with long hair in a white van tried to grab me off the streets of Vegas in broad daylight. I'd seen them around for a few days as I quickly walked home from Binion's Casino where I worked, but I didn't see them that day till it was too late as they came up behind me with the van door open trying to grab me. The two guys in a truck behind them saw them and chased them off though. Within 3 days, I had purchased a new hand gun.....even till this day, I wish I had it and shot them because I am pretty sure that they had other victims who weren't as lucky as I was.

 

[2aguy]

Another article on gun crime in Australia .......

More than 14 hardened criminals are being found in possession of firearms each week as the state grapples with a rising gun culture that has led to twice as many Victorians shot dead in 2019.

The Age can reveal 52 people were shot and 14 fatally gunned down across the state last year, twice as many as the previous 12 months, with handguns increasingly used by criminals to settle drug debts or underworld disputes.

During the past 24 hours lives were threatened in two separate gun crimes in Melbourne's north after a shot was fired as a Hadfield supermarket owner wrestled a gun from the hand of a robber and armed bandits reportedly stormed a Westmeadows tavern eight kilometres away.
-----

Anti-gangs division Detective Superintendent Peter Brigham said illegal firearms were routinely unearthed at the homes of drug traffickers and in the possession of “gangster types” chasing image and status.

Gun violence grips Victoria as deadly shootings double

More than 14 hardened criminals are being found in possession of firearms each week as the state grapples with a rising gun culture that has led to a 50 per cent spike in the number of Victorian's gunned down in 2019.

www.theage.com.au

Quick question......are "Assault rifles," banned in Australia now?

How about grenades....you know...grenades?

n September, a 35-year-old Docklands man was sentenced to at least eight years' jail for heroin trafficking. As part of his plea deal, the former Iraqi national led police to a cache of weapons wrapped in plastic and hidden in a Melbourne drain. They included an SKS assault rifle and grenades.

See...the problem? Australia seems to have forgotten to ban high powered military rifles for criminals........perhaps they should pass more gun control laws.....

And while handguns were proving to be the gun of choice among young men, high powered military-grade firearms were in demand from the city’s outlaw motorcycle gangs.

52 people were shot last year? That's what you call out of control gun crime?

What do you call 30,000 people shot last year?

And you lie...of those 30,000, 23,000 were suicides.....in 2019 there were 10,258 gun murders in the U.S.....70-80% of the victims were criminals engaged in crime.....of the rest, the majority of them are friends and family of criminals caught in the crossfire....

Meanwhile....Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies and murders....according to the Centers for Disease Control...

Australia has a gun murder rate because their criminals choose not to commit murder...they have guns, they just don't use them to murder each other in large numbers...but that is changing...their drug gangs are being taken over by 3rd world males, who don't care about Australian laws or culture....

Link those stats.

Not from breightbart.

More....

According to a 1993 article in the Journal of Trauma, 80 percent of murders in Washington, D.C., are related to the drug trade, while "84% of [Philadelphia murder] victims in 1990 had antemortem drug use or criminal history." A 1994 article in The New England Journal of Medicine reported that 71 percent of Los Angeles children and adolescents injured in drive-by shootings "were documented members of violent street gangs." And University of North Carolina-Charlotte criminal justice scholars Richard Lumb and Paul C. Friday report that 71 percent of adult gunshot wound victims in Charlotte have criminal records.

Public Health Pot Shots

How the CDC succumbed to the Gun "Epidemic"

reason.com

 

[Jake Winker Frogen]

Americans shoot each other like they are playing frisbee.

America has more accidental gun deaths than any democratic country on Earth, you kill your kids and friends and uncles and neighbours like serial killers in a bad B movie.

No, Americans don't shoot each other, criminals shoot each other.

We have over 600 million guns in private hands, and over 19.4 million people have permits to carry guns for self defense....... over 320 million people in the country...



Accidental gun deaths?

In 2018, 458 accidental gun deaths....you moron.

Meanwhile, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives....from rape, robbery and murder according to the Centers for Disease Control.....

Who is confining it to accidental gun deaths?

It is also the half wit uncle who shoots a neighbour in a rage or domestic gun violence or crimes that in other nations are not violent but in the USA involve guns.

For instance the UK has recently seen a wave of knife crime, had they the access to guns the US has the death toll would be horrendous, like the US.

I'd shoot someone coming after me with a knife neighbor or no neighbor. See how this works?

Yeah you are probably the kind of Yank who shoots a kid for hitting his car with a frisbee too.

Actually, I am a southerner--Texan more specifically originally. "Yank" is kinda an insult given that southerners used to call northerners yanks/yankees.

This said you really can't tell the moral difference between someone with a knife coming after you and some random kid with a frisbee? Really? No wonder they don't allow the brits whatever you are to play with guns. We don't allow children or the mental ill here to have them either.

I am actually a woman---raised on a small farm but never thought of guns being that important till two guys (one may have been a woman) with long hair in a white van tried to grab me off the streets of Vegas in broad daylight. I'd seen them around for a few days as I quickly walked home from Binion's Casino where I worked, but I didn't see them that day till it was too late as they came up behind me with the van door open trying to grab me. The two guys in a truck behind them saw them and chased them off though. Within 3 days, I had purchased a new hand gun.....even till this day, I wish I had it and shot them because I am pretty sure that they had other victims who weren't as lucky as I am.

That is an interesting story, I mean that sincerely.

Thanks for sharing that.

If I lived in America I would probably have a gun too.

There is just no need for one in Australia.

 

[2aguy]

Americans shoot each other like they are playing frisbee.

America has more accidental gun deaths than any democratic country on Earth, you kill your kids and friends and uncles and neighbours like serial killers in a bad B movie.

No, Americans don't shoot each other, criminals shoot each other.

We have over 600 million guns in private hands, and over 19.4 million people have permits to carry guns for self defense....... over 320 million people in the country...



Accidental gun deaths?

In 2018, 458 accidental gun deaths....you moron.

Meanwhile, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives....from rape, robbery and murder according to the Centers for Disease Control.....

Who is confining it to accidental gun deaths?

It is also the half wit uncle who shoots a neighbour in a rage or domestic gun violence or crimes that in other nations are not violent but in the USA involve guns.

For instance the UK has recently seen a wave of knife crime, had they the access to guns the US has the death toll would be horrendous, like the US.

I'd shoot someone coming after me with a knife neighbor or no neighbor. See how this works?

Yeah you are probably the kind of Yank who shoots a kid for hitting his car with a frisbee too.

Actually, I am a southerner--Texan more specifically originally. "Yank" is kinda an insult given that southerners used to call northerners yanks/yankees.

This said you really can't tell the moral difference between someone with a knife coming after you and some random kid with a frisbee? Really? No wonder they don't allow the brits whatever you are to play with guns. We don't allow children or the mental ill here to have them either.

I am actually a woman---raised on a small farm but never thought of guns being that important till two guys (one may have been a woman) with long hair in a white van tried to grab me off the streets of Vegas in broad daylight. I'd seen them around for a few days as I quickly walked home from Binion's Casino where I worked, but I didn't see them that day till it was too late as they came up behind me with the van door open trying to grab me. The two guys in a truck behind them saw them and chased them off though. Within 3 days, I had purchased a new hand gun.....even till this day, I wish I had it and shot them because I am pretty sure that they had other victims who weren't as lucky as I am.

That is an interesting story, I mean that sincerely.

Thanks for sharing that.

If I lived in America I would probably have a gun too.

There is just no need for one in Australia.

Let me fix that for you...

There is just no need for one in Australia......... yet.

As your country is over run by immigrant drug gangs who will increase the violence around their drug turf, and social welfare programs in Australia break down the family, leaving more and more children raised in homes without fathers......you will see why good people need guns...

 

[Jake Winker Frogen]

And I say that is one who worked security for years in the roughest part of the city, with drug issues and physical violence, we even had a machete attack once.

Never once thought "I wish I had a gun."

Though if I were an Aussie bikie I would probably get one.

It just a different society.

I actually defend the Second Amendment to my Aussie friends, they just don't get it.

But America is a far more violent society so it is needed in the USA, I get that.

 

[2aguy]

And I say that is one who worked security for years in the roughest part of the city, with drug issues and physical violence, we even had a machete attack once.

Never once thought "I wish I had a gun."

Though if I were an Aussie bikie I would probably get one.

It just a different society.

I actually defend the Second Amendment to my Aussie friends, they just don't get it.

But America is a far more violent society so it is needed in the USA, I get that.

Actually, only tiny areas are violent.....our gun crime is confined to tiny, multi-block areas in cities controlled by our democrat party........the rest of the country is just fine.

 

[Jake Winker Frogen]

Americans shoot each other like they are playing frisbee.

America has more accidental gun deaths than any democratic country on Earth, you kill your kids and friends and uncles and neighbours like serial killers in a bad B movie.

No, Americans don't shoot each other, criminals shoot each other.

We have over 600 million guns in private hands, and over 19.4 million people have permits to carry guns for self defense....... over 320 million people in the country...



Accidental gun deaths?

In 2018, 458 accidental gun deaths....you moron.

Meanwhile, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives....from rape, robbery and murder according to the Centers for Disease Control.....

Who is confining it to accidental gun deaths?

It is also the half wit uncle who shoots a neighbour in a rage or domestic gun violence or crimes that in other nations are not violent but in the USA involve guns.

For instance the UK has recently seen a wave of knife crime, had they the access to guns the US has the death toll would be horrendous, like the US.

I'd shoot someone coming after me with a knife neighbor or no neighbor. See how this works?

Yeah you are probably the kind of Yank who shoots a kid for hitting his car with a frisbee too.

Actually, I am a southerner--Texan more specifically originally. "Yank" is kinda an insult given that southerners used to call northerners yanks/yankees.

This said you really can't tell the moral difference between someone with a knife coming after you and some random kid with a frisbee? Really? No wonder they don't allow the brits whatever you are to play with guns. We don't allow children or the mental ill here to have them either.

I am actually a woman---raised on a small farm but never thought of guns being that important till two guys (one may have been a woman) with long hair in a white van tried to grab me off the streets of Vegas in broad daylight. I'd seen them around for a few days as I quickly walked home from Binion's Casino where I worked, but I didn't see them that day till it was too late as they came up behind me with the van door open trying to grab me. The two guys in a truck behind them saw them and chased them off though. Within 3 days, I had purchased a new hand gun.....even till this day, I wish I had it and shot them because I am pretty sure that they had other victims who weren't as lucky as I am.

That is an interesting story, I mean that sincerely.

Thanks for sharing that.

If I lived in America I would probably have a gun too.

There is just no need for one in Australia.

Let me fix that for you...

There is just no need for one in Australia......... yet.

As your country is over run by immigrant drug gangs who will increase the violence around their drug turf, and social welfare programs in Australia break down the family, leaving more and more children raised in homes without fathers......you will see why good people need guns...

It is because our welfare system is more effective than the USA that we do not see the generational family break down the US does, indeed few Western countries do.

We have drugs, but our health system is so superior to the US our addiction rates are much lower, though we need to change our drug policy to one like Portugal, they decriminalised drug use and are the only Western country to see addiction and death rates fall.

 

[Jake Winker Frogen]

Gun deaths are quite high in some non Democratic states as well according to the CDC.

Stats of the States - Firearm Mortality

www.cdc.gov

 

[2aguy]

Americans shoot each other like they are playing frisbee.

America has more accidental gun deaths than any democratic country on Earth, you kill your kids and friends and uncles and neighbours like serial killers in a bad B movie.

No, Americans don't shoot each other, criminals shoot each other.

We have over 600 million guns in private hands, and over 19.4 million people have permits to carry guns for self defense....... over 320 million people in the country...



Accidental gun deaths?

In 2018, 458 accidental gun deaths....you moron.

Meanwhile, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives....from rape, robbery and murder according to the Centers for Disease Control.....

Who is confining it to accidental gun deaths?

It is also the half wit uncle who shoots a neighbour in a rage or domestic gun violence or crimes that in other nations are not violent but in the USA involve guns.

For instance the UK has recently seen a wave of knife crime, had they the access to guns the US has the death toll would be horrendous, like the US.

I'd shoot someone coming after me with a knife neighbor or no neighbor. See how this works?

Yeah you are probably the kind of Yank who shoots a kid for hitting his car with a frisbee too.

Actually, I am a southerner--Texan more specifically originally. "Yank" is kinda an insult given that southerners used to call northerners yanks/yankees.

This said you really can't tell the moral difference between someone with a knife coming after you and some random kid with a frisbee? Really? No wonder they don't allow the brits whatever you are to play with guns. We don't allow children or the mental ill here to have them either.

I am actually a woman---raised on a small farm but never thought of guns being that important till two guys (one may have been a woman) with long hair in a white van tried to grab me off the streets of Vegas in broad daylight. I'd seen them around for a few days as I quickly walked home from Binion's Casino where I worked, but I didn't see them that day till it was too late as they came up behind me with the van door open trying to grab me. The two guys in a truck behind them saw them and chased them off though. Within 3 days, I had purchased a new hand gun.....even till this day, I wish I had it and shot them because I am pretty sure that they had other victims who weren't as lucky as I am.

That is an interesting story, I mean that sincerely.

Thanks for sharing that.

If I lived in America I would probably have a gun too.

There is just no need for one in Australia.

Let me fix that for you...

There is just no need for one in Australia......... yet.

As your country is over run by immigrant drug gangs who will increase the violence around their drug turf, and social welfare programs in Australia break down the family, leaving more and more children raised in homes without fathers......you will see why good people need guns...

It is because our welfare system is more effective than the USA that we do not see the generational family break down the US does, indeed few Western countries do.

We have drugs, but our health system is so superior to the US our addiction rates are much lower, though we need to change our drug policy to one like Portugal, they decriminalised drug use and are the only Western country to see addiction and death rates fall.

I don't think so....you have a tiny population.....and now, with the influx of immigrants from 3rd world countries you will be facing the same problems the U.S. has...

Since then the system has grown and evolved into a network of 1,700 providers across Australia, with companies competing for public money and the right to triage some 750,000 unemployed people on Newstart into a series of government schemes with questionable outcomes such as Work for the Dole, ParentsNext and the PaTh Program.

The nightmare of Australia's welfare system: 'At the push of a button, my working life was erased'

Six people recount their interactions with Centrelink and the government’s welfare programs, which range from absurd to frustrating to insulting

www.theguardian.com

 

[2aguy]

Gun deaths are quite high in some non Democratic states as well according to the CDC.

Stats of the States - Firearm Mortality

www.cdc.gov

It isn't the states, it is the cities.....for example.....the Tennessee is a Republican state but the largest cities are under democrat party control. Dittos Chicago, Baltimore, D.C., St. Louis, New Orleans......

 

[Dr Grump]

Yes....they do....

92 Australians died last year due to guns (not including suicides)
The US had 15,000+ deaths.
Compared to the US, Australia doesn't have a gun problem.

 

[Jake Winker Frogen]

Gun deaths are quite high in some non Democratic states as well according to the CDC.

Stats of the States - Firearm Mortality

www.cdc.gov

It isn't the states, it is the cities.....for example.....the Tennessee is a Republican state but the largest cities are under democrat party control. Dittos Chicago, Baltimore, D.C., St. Louis, New Orleans......

That may be, when I get time I will research who controls what cities and what are the gun death rates.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Americans shoot each other like they are playing frisbee.

America has more accidental gun deaths than any democratic country on Earth, you kill your kids and friends and uncles and neighbours like serial killers in a bad B movie.

No, Americans don't shoot each other, criminals shoot each other.

We have over 600 million guns in private hands, and over 19.4 million people have permits to carry guns for self defense....... over 320 million people in the country...



Accidental gun deaths?

In 2018, 458 accidental gun deaths....you moron.

Meanwhile, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives....from rape, robbery and murder according to the Centers for Disease Control.....

Who is confining it to accidental gun deaths?

It is also the half wit uncle who shoots a neighbour in a rage or domestic gun violence or crimes that in other nations are not violent but in the USA involve guns.

For instance the UK has recently seen a wave of knife crime, had they the access to guns the US has the death toll would be horrendous, like the US.

I'd shoot someone coming after me with a knife neighbor or no neighbor. See how this works?

Yeah you are probably the kind of Yank who shoots a kid for hitting his car with a frisbee too.

Actually, I am a southerner--Texan more specifically originally. "Yank" is kinda an insult given that southerners used to call northerners yanks/yankees.

This said you really can't tell the moral difference between someone with a knife coming after you and some random kid with a frisbee? Really? No wonder they don't allow the brits whatever you are to play with guns. We don't allow children or the mental ill here to have them either.

I am actually a woman---raised on a small farm but never thought of guns being that important till two guys (one may have been a woman) with long hair in a white van tried to grab me off the streets of Vegas in broad daylight. I'd seen them around for a few days as I quickly walked home from Binion's Casino where I worked, but I didn't see them that day till it was too late as they came up behind me with the van door open trying to grab me. The two guys in a truck behind them saw them and chased them off though. Within 3 days, I had purchased a new hand gun.....even till this day, I wish I had it and shot them because I am pretty sure that they had other victims who weren't as lucky as I am.

That is an interesting story, I mean that sincerely.

Thanks for sharing that.

If I lived in America I would probably have a gun too.

There is just no need for one in Australia.

Given your snake problems--- I couldn't imagine being without one there either.