“But He Pleaded Guilty!!”

[PoliticalChic]

I can wait but I must say I didn't see anything that would address the question of why Flynn would lie to the FBI about anything

He didn't.

He did and admitted it twice. Your post, as usual contains information unconnected with the FACT that Flynn lied. However the investigation began and whoever knew about it is immaterial. Clinton was investigated for a real estate deal and was then impeached for lying under oath. Clinton was innocent of the original charge. So what.

Chuck Rosenberg is a former U.S. attorney, senior FBI official and acting head of the Drug Enforcement Administration:

Michael Flynn made false statements to FBI agents interviewing him about his December 2016 telephone conversation with a Russian diplomat. Flynn had previously traveled to Russia; received payments from Russia-related companies, including more than $40,000 from a Russian state-backed entity; dined with the Russian president; intervened in sanctions levied by the outgoing Obama administration punishing Russia for its 2016 election interference; and then lied to the incoming vice president — among other senior White House officials — about his intervention.​

When he repeated similar lies to the FBI during a January 2017 interview, he was charged with a federal crime and subsequently pleaded guilty in federal court.​

​

Were his lies material, as required by the statute to which he pleaded guilty? Absolutely. For those of us who spent a professional lifetime as prosecutors and in the Justice Department, this is not a close call.​

Had Flynn been asked his favorite ice cream flavor by FBI agents and told them it was vanilla when he preferred chocolate, that would be immaterial. But lying to the FBI about his conversation with a Russian diplomat, given his financial and other ties to Russia, in the wake of massive Russian interference in our 2016 election, and during an FBI counterintelligence investigation concerning Russia? That is material — plain and simple.​

You don't read well.....if at all.


"...the FBI's Washington office signaled it wanted to close it because no "derogatory" information had been unearthed after consulting with other intelligence agencies in an exhaustive search….The stunning development came after internal memos were released raising serious questions about the nature of the investigation that led to Flynn’s late 2017 guilty plea of lying to the FBI as his legal fees mounted."



If that isn't satisfactory, why don't you state the lies and the law about which they were 'material."

 

[PoliticalChic]

11. The coup attempt by Obama and the Deep State was carefully calculated, and involved a number of levels and ploys.

Flynn was but one avenue of attack.

" The FBI tasked a woman posing as an assistant to longtime FBI informant Stefan Halper to meet with Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos in London in 2016, The New York Times revealed in a report Thursday.
The report confirms longstanding speculation that the woman, who operated under the alias Azra Turk, was part of the government’s operation to keep tabs on Papadopoulos and the Trump team."

So Who Was ‘Azra Turk’ Working For?

It is unclear who Azra Turk was working for when she was tasked to meet with George Papadpoulos.

dailycaller.com

“The FBI used a female informant to try to pry information from a Trump campaign adviser during the 2016 elections, The New York Times reported Thursday, fueling allegations that the Obama administration spied on a political opponent.

The woman was deployed to meet with George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy adviser to the campaign, at a London bar as part of the FBI’s investigation into alleged coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign, the newspaper reported.

“There is a word for this in the English language: spying,” said Brad Parscale, Mr. Trump’s campaign manager for the upcoming election. “For two years, Democrats and their allies in the media have lied to the American people about the Russia collusion hoax, when all along the real scandal was the Obama administration using the Justice Department to spy on a political adversary’s campaign.”

Papadopoulos said Thursday he’s not sure the woman, who gave her name as “Azra Turk,” was FBI’ …. he speculated on an “Obama WH/CIA/FBI” plot, saying “the ultimate goal was to overthrow Trump.”

…shows a stunning willingness by an administration controlled by one political party to conduct an investigation into a nominee of the opposing party…. Mr. Barr says those efforts prove the Obama administration was spying on the Trump campaign he said the question is whether the spying was legal and warranted.” Obama spying claims fueled by George Papadopoulos 'Azra Turk' FBI informant report



While all of the plot participants spent the last few years lying to the American public about evidence they've seen, newly released under-oath interviews had them saying the very opposite:

Newly declassified transcripts released Thursday with nearly every one of the former Obama officials find every one admitting that there was never any evidence of the phony charges against Trump. On the other hand, we are learning more and more of the spying by Obama, on the Trump campaign.

Spying, at every level, took place.

• Difference between Watergate and the Obama Spying? Watergate was a failed attempt by a political party to spy on their political enemies.

 

[PoliticalChic]

12. Why was Papadopoulous lured to England via an arranged meeting with Diplomat Downer?

“They started by telling the story of Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat, as having remembered a bar conversation with George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign.

But how did the FBI know they should talk to him?

That’s left out of their narrative. Downer’s signature appears on a $25 million contribution to the Clinton Foundation. You don’t need much imagination to figure that he was close with Clinton Foundation operatives who relayed information to the State Department, which then called the FBI to complete the loop. This wasn’t intelligence. It was likely opposition research from the start.”

Former Clinton Pollster Calls For End to the Mueller 'Partisan Inquisition'

pjmedia.com

So….Obama was at the helm in the spying and entrapment of Trump, et. al., but the Clinton Crime Family is a partner in it. The motivation for the Clinton’s is clear.

 

[justoffal]

I can wait but I must say I didn't see anything that would address the question of why Flynn would lie to the FBI about anything

He didn't.

He did and admitted it twice. Your post, as usual contains information unconnected with the FACT that Flynn lied. However the investigation began and whoever knew about it is immaterial. Clinton was investigated for a real estate deal and was then impeached for lying under oath. Clinton was innocent of the original charge. So what.

Chuck Rosenberg is a former U.S. attorney, senior FBI official and acting head of the Drug Enforcement Administration:

Michael Flynn made false statements to FBI agents interviewing him about his December 2016 telephone conversation with a Russian diplomat. Flynn had previously traveled to Russia; received payments from Russia-related companies, including more than $40,000 from a Russian state-backed entity; dined with the Russian president; intervened in sanctions levied by the outgoing Obama administration punishing Russia for its 2016 election interference; and then lied to the incoming vice president — among other senior White House officials — about his intervention.​

When he repeated similar lies to the FBI during a January 2017 interview, he was charged with a federal crime and subsequently pleaded guilty in federal court.​

​

Were his lies material, as required by the statute to which he pleaded guilty? Absolutely. For those of us who spent a professional lifetime as prosecutors and in the Justice Department, this is not a close call.​

Had Flynn been asked his favorite ice cream flavor by FBI agents and told them it was vanilla when he preferred chocolate, that would be immaterial. But lying to the FBI about his conversation with a Russian diplomat, given his financial and other ties to Russia, in the wake of massive Russian interference in our 2016 election, and during an FBI counterintelligence investigation concerning Russia? That is material — plain and simple.​

Wow he's a really bad guy! Too bad law enforcement fucked it up by
breaking a dozen laws to get him.
But I understand your butt-hurt...
Lost a lot of cases that way huh?

Jo

 

[meaner gene]

He did and admitted it twice. Your post, as usual contains information unconnected with the FACT that Flynn lied. However the investigation began and whoever knew about it is immaterial. Clinton was investigated for a real estate deal and was then impeached for lying under oath. Clinton was innocent of the original charge. So what.

Chuck Rosenberg is a former U.S. attorney, senior FBI official and acting head of the Drug Enforcement Administration:

Michael Flynn made false statements to FBI agents interviewing him about his December 2016 telephone conversation with a Russian diplomat. Flynn had previously traveled to Russia; received payments from Russia-related companies, including more than $40,000 from a Russian state-backed entity; dined with the Russian president; intervened in sanctions levied by the outgoing Obama administration punishing Russia for its 2016 election interference; and then lied to the incoming vice president — among other senior White House officials — about his intervention.​

When he repeated similar lies to the FBI during a January 2017 interview, he was charged with a federal crime and subsequently pleaded guilty in federal court.​

​

Were his lies material, as required by the statute to which he pleaded guilty? Absolutely. For those of us who spent a professional lifetime as prosecutors and in the Justice Department, this is not a close call.​

Had Flynn been asked his favorite ice cream flavor by FBI agents and told them it was vanilla when he preferred chocolate, that would be immaterial. But lying to the FBI about his conversation with a Russian diplomat, given his financial and other ties to Russia, in the wake of massive Russian interference in our 2016 election, and during an FBI counterintelligence investigation concerning Russia? That is material — plain and simple.​

I can't believe all the smoke and mirrors when the simple facts are do damning. It started with the NSA wiretaping the russian diplomats phone, when he had a series of phone calls with an american citizen. In those phone calls, they negotiated russias response to the sanctions put in place by the Obama administration.

The first outrage was that Susan Rice (national security advisor) "unmasked" who the american citizen was talking to Kislyiak.

First VP Michael Pence questioned Flynn, and Flynn chose to lie to the VP about the phone call.

Then they sent in the FBI to question Flynn. And again Michael Flynn lied, this time to the FBI, just like he lied to the vice president.

Doesn't anybody care that Flynn lied to the Vice President?

 

[PoliticalChic]

He did and admitted it twice. Your post, as usual contains information unconnected with the FACT that Flynn lied. However the investigation began and whoever knew about it is immaterial. Clinton was investigated for a real estate deal and was then impeached for lying under oath. Clinton was innocent of the original charge. So what.

Chuck Rosenberg is a former U.S. attorney, senior FBI official and acting head of the Drug Enforcement Administration:

Michael Flynn made false statements to FBI agents interviewing him about his December 2016 telephone conversation with a Russian diplomat. Flynn had previously traveled to Russia; received payments from Russia-related companies, including more than $40,000 from a Russian state-backed entity; dined with the Russian president; intervened in sanctions levied by the outgoing Obama administration punishing Russia for its 2016 election interference; and then lied to the incoming vice president — among other senior White House officials — about his intervention.​

When he repeated similar lies to the FBI during a January 2017 interview, he was charged with a federal crime and subsequently pleaded guilty in federal court.​

​

Were his lies material, as required by the statute to which he pleaded guilty? Absolutely. For those of us who spent a professional lifetime as prosecutors and in the Justice Department, this is not a close call.​

Had Flynn been asked his favorite ice cream flavor by FBI agents and told them it was vanilla when he preferred chocolate, that would be immaterial. But lying to the FBI about his conversation with a Russian diplomat, given his financial and other ties to Russia, in the wake of massive Russian interference in our 2016 election, and during an FBI counterintelligence investigation concerning Russia? That is material — plain and simple.​

I can't believe all the smoke and mirrors when the simple facts are do damning. It started with the NSA wiretaping the russian diplomats phone, when he had a series of phone calls with an american citizen. In those phone calls, they negotiated russias response to the sanctions put in place by the Obama administration.

The first outrage was that Susan Rice (national security advisor) "unmasked" who the american citizen was talking to Kislyiak.

First VP Michael Pence questioned Flynn, and Flynn chose to lie to the VP about the phone call.

Then they sent in the FBI to question Flynn. And again Michael Flynn lied, this time to the FBI, just like he lied to the vice president.

Doesn't anybody care that Flynn lied to the Vice President?

What, exactly, are those lies?

You should go back and read the news articles of the time, which clearly suggest that Trump believed the bogus charges....charges we know know are false and corruptly determined.

With the FBI claiming the lies, it appears Trump took them at face value.


Newly declassified documents show who was doing the lying, and it wasn't Flynn.

Sydney Powell, Flynn's new lawyer:


Lead attorney for Gen. Flynn Sidney Powell argues the government intentionally hid documents in order to protect their prosecution of him.







“…a guilty plea is supposed to be knowing and voluntary….we have evidence that it was coerced….”
Flynn’s previous lawyers “had a secret side deal with the prosecutor….”

“…they hid all the evidence we’ve uncovered that shows he is completely innocent….”

The original law firm, with Eric Holder as a partner, had a deal with the government to make sure he pled guilty.

The FBI needed the prosecution of Flynn in order to keep the obstruction hoax against Trump, going. “Comey knew that they had no evidence of collusion between Russia and the Trump Campaign.”

“…we have messages that the 7th floor was in on this…and that’s Comey and McCabe.”

 

[meaner gene]

Doesn't anybody care that Flynn lied to the Vice President?

What, exactly, are those lies?

You should go back and read the news articles of the time, which clearly suggest that Trump believed the bogus charges....charges we know know are false and corruptly determined.

With the FBI claiming the lies, it appears Trump took them at face value.

Trump tweeted that he fired Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI.

The emphasis should be on lying to the Vice President, since that's who Trump spoke to about it first and most.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Doesn't anybody care that Flynn lied to the Vice President?

What, exactly, are those lies?

You should go back and read the news articles of the time, which clearly suggest that Trump believed the bogus charges....charges we know know are false and corruptly determined.

With the FBI claiming the lies, it appears Trump took them at face value.

Trump tweeted that he fired Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI.

I asked you what those .lies were.

On the one hand there was a suggestion that he spoke to Kislyak about the Obama sanctions, which Pence didn't want to defend.
"An administration official told POLITICO that Pence’s remarks came after a conversation with Flynn and were guided by that conversation — leaving open the possibility that Flynn misled the Vice President just as he repeatedly denied the allegations to the Washington Post before acknowledging the topic may have been discussed."

Pence was told Flynn didn't discuss sanctions, aides say

The vice president defended the National Security Adviser in January when questions first surfaced about Flynn's contact with Russian ambassador.

www.politico.com

The news reports tend to suggest that the FBI bringing what we know know as bogus charges, are more the basis for Trump firing Flynn.

 

[meaner gene]

I asked you what those .lies were.

What you need to know about the firing of Michael Flynn and why it matters for Trump

On Monday, President Trump fired his national security advisor, Michael Flynn.

www.latimes.com

What did Flynn do?
Flynn misled Vice President Mike Pence, White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus and Press Secretary Sean Spicer about conversations he had with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, allowing all three to make repeated false public statements. He did not tell Pence the truth

On Tuesday, Spicer said Trump had known about Flynn’s inaccurate statements for nearly three weeks and had fired him because of an “eroding level of trust.”

 

[PoliticalChic]

Doesn't anybody care that Flynn lied to the Vice President?

What, exactly, are those lies?

You should go back and read the news articles of the time, which clearly suggest that Trump believed the bogus charges....charges we know know are false and corruptly determined.

With the FBI claiming the lies, it appears Trump took them at face value.

Trump tweeted that he fired Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI.

The emphasis should be on lying to the Vice President, since that's who Trump spoke to about it first and most.

"...it would have been politically damaging to the incoming Trump administration if he had conceded discussing sanctions with Kislyak. While such discussions were not illegal, there was at the time a media frenzy that drew a false (but nevertheless popular) equivalency between any discussion on the topic of sanctions and a corrupt Trump–Kremlin deal. "

Did Flynn Lie? | National Review

To believe Flynn told the agents the truth, you must believe that (a) he lied to the court when he pled guilty and (b) he is still lying to the court.

www.nationalreview.com

It appears that Trump was immunizing himself, by dumping Flynn, due to the Deep State claims of collusion with Russia.

The Mueller report ended that lie.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I asked you what those .lies were.

What you need to know about the firing of Michael Flynn and why it matters for Trump

On Monday, President Trump fired his national security advisor, Michael Flynn.

www.latimes.com

What did Flynn do?
Flynn misled Vice President Mike Pence, White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus and Press Secretary Sean Spicer about conversations he had with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, allowing all three to make repeated false public statements. He did not tell Pence the truth

On Tuesday, Spicer said Trump had known about Flynn’s inaccurate statements for nearly three weeks and had fired him because of an “eroding level of trust.”

'misled'....'inaccurate'.....


What is the lie?

 

[PoliticalChic]

13. Instructive about the plot is how they altered documents to find a way to go after Carter Page.


"HUGE: New Information Shows Carter Page Was a Whistleblower in October 2016 But Deep State FBI Spied on Him Anyway"
HUGE: New Information Shows Carter Page Was a Whistleblower in October 2016 But Deep State FBI Spied on Him Anyway


The Deep Stated needed someone as the 'first hop' into the Trump camp.....but Carter Page was just too darn squeaky-clean, and actually worked with one of the intel agencies!

Guess what they did?
Simple: The Deep State lied, changed the report from ‘he was a source’ to ‘not a source.’

Agent Clinesmith at the Deep State’s service:
“Supervisory Special Agent 2," who swore to an affidavit for all three FISA renewals against Page in 2017, told Horowitz's investigators that on the third renewal he wanted "a definitive answer to whether Page had ever been a source for another U.S. government agency before he signed the final renewal application."

While in contact with what was reportedly the CIA's liaison, Clinesmith was reminded that back in August 2016, predating the first Page warrant application in October 2016, the other agency informed the FBI that Page "did, in fact, have a prior relationship with that other agency."

An email from the other government agency's liaison was sent to Clinesmith, who then "altered the liaison's email by inserting the words 'not a source' into it, thus making it appear that the liaison had said that Page was 'not a source' for the other agency" and sent it to "Supervisory Special Agent 2," Horowitz found.”
FBI lawyer under criminal investigation altered document to say Carter Page 'was not a source' for another agency


"altered the liaison's email by inserting the words 'not a source' into it


The one given the ‘short straw,’ currently the sacrificial lamb as the plot has become public knowledge, is Kevin Clinesmith.

Kevin E. Clinesmith is a lawyer and FBI agent who worked on the Hillary Clinton email scandal investigation, the Trump-Russia collusion hoax, and the Mueller team.
Kevin Clinesmith - Conservapedia

Clinesmith tossed under the bus to cover the complicity of the rest of the intel community, i.e., the Deep State.

 

[meaner gene]

It appears that Trump was immunizing himself, by dumping Flynn, due to the Deep State claims of collusion with Russia.

The Mueller report ended that lie.

Trump fired Flynn because he lied to the vice president.

Trump in February said he axed Flynn because he lied to the vice president

“I fired him because of what he said to Mike Pence. Very simple,” Trump said at a Feb. 16 news conference, three days after Flynn was fired.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It appears that Trump was immunizing himself, by dumping Flynn, due to the Deep State claims of collusion with Russia.

The Mueller report ended that lie.

Trump fired Flynn because he lied to the vice president.

Trump in February said he axed Flynn because he lied to the vice president

“I fired him because of what he said to Mike Pence. Very simple,” Trump said at a Feb. 16 news conference, three days after Flynn was fired.

Clearly, having been given three opportunities to provide the 'lie,' you can't.

My study of the timeline and the full-court press by the Deep State leads me to believe that the FBI charges made it opportune for Trump to cast Flynn off.

You're free to have any opinion you wish.....but this thread backs up my suspicions.

 

[meaner gene]

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[meaner gene]

Clearly, having been given three opportunities to provide the 'lie,' you can't.

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Dec 2, 2017 - Trump says he fired Flynn because he lied to Pence,

 

[PoliticalChic]

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You’re making an asterisk of yourself again.

... your posts bring a new dimension to the conversation. Wait…did I say ‘dimension’? I meant ‘dimentia.’

Is English a second language for you?

You appear unable to comprehend a simple request: state the actual lie.

 

[meaner gene]

Clearly, having been given three opportunities to provide the 'lie,' you can't.

Jan. 14. Flynn tells Pence the conversation he had with Kislyak did not include discussion of sanctions.

Jan. 15. Pence goes on “Meet the Press” and denies Flynn discussed sanctions.

Feb. 9. The Post reports Flynn discussed sanctions with Kislyak. This is reportedly the first time Pence becomes aware he has been misled by Flynn.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Clearly, having been given three opportunities to provide the 'lie,' you can't.

Michael Flynn: Trump says he fired Flynn because he lied to ...
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Dec 2, 2017 - Trump says he fired Flynn because he lied to Pence,

I didn't ask you what anyone claimed, or suggested....no spin: simply state the lie.

Now that you’ve been thoroughly embarrassed, time for your retreat to your warehouse, farmhouse, henhouse, outhouse, doghouse, whatever….

 

[meaner gene]

As you can see, Flynn lied about discussing sanctions with the russians.

Flynn lied to Pence, claiming he didn't discuss sanctions, and that's why Trump fired him.