“But He Pleaded Guilty!!”

[PoliticalChic]

As you can see, Flynn lied about discussing sanctions with the russians.

Flynn lied to Pence, claiming he didn't discuss sanctions, and that's why Trump fired him.

What's the lie?


The lie is that he lied.



Glenn Greenwald

@ggreenwald


May 7 2020

I'd still like to understand what was improper about the incoming National Security Advisor of a newly elected administration calling his Russian counterpart to try to tamp down tensions in the weeks before he took office.

 

[meaner gene]

Now that you’ve been thoroughly embarrassed, time for your retreat to your warehouse, farmhouse, henhouse, outhouse, doghouse, whatever….

Not at all, so I repeat:

As you can see, Flynn lied about discussing sanctions with the russians.

Flynn lied to Pence, claiming he didn't discuss sanctions, and that's why Trump fired him.

 

[meaner gene]

As you can see, Flynn lied about discussing sanctions with the russians.

Flynn lied to Pence, claiming he didn't discuss sanctions, and that's why Trump fired him.

What's the lie?

I just told you. Flynn lied to Pence claiming he didn't talk about sanctions with the russians.

That was the lie he told Pence.

That's why Trump fired him.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Now that you’ve been thoroughly embarrassed, time for your retreat to your warehouse, farmhouse, henhouse, outhouse, doghouse, whatever….

Not at all, so I repeat:

As you can see, Flynn lied about discussing sanctions with the russians.

Flynn lied to Pence, claiming he didn't discuss sanctions, and that's why Trump fired him.

That was his job, you dunce.

Doing so would not be a reason to fire him.


BTW....why is it you can't provide the actual 'lie'?

 

[meaner gene]

That was his job, you dunce.

Doing so would not be a reason to fire him.


BTW....why is it you can't provide the actual 'lie'?

As you can see, Flynn lied about discussing sanctions with the russians.

Flynn lied to Pence, claiming he didn't discuss sanctions, and that's why Trump fired him.

 

[PoliticalChic]

As you can see, Flynn lied about discussing sanctions with the russians.

Flynn lied to Pence, claiming he didn't discuss sanctions, and that's why Trump fired him.

What's the lie?

I just told you. Flynn lied to Pence claiming he didn't talk about sanctions with the russians.

That was the lie he told Pence.

That's why Trump fired him.

Actually, the only reason for firing that makes sense is that any way 'Russia' could be linked to Trump at that time was too hot to handle.


The "state-affiliated entities" line was an apparent reference to Flynn's paid appearance at a Moscow gala for Russian state TV network RT in 2015. Flynn also reportedly received thousands more in expenses covered by the network and in speech fees from other Russian firms, including some payments that he initially didn't disclose on ethics forms." Gregg Re” [URLunfurl="true"]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ob...lls-surprising-top-doj-official-new-docs-show[/URL]



Can you quote the actual 'lie'?

No?

Why not?



The FBI had the entire phone conversation.....what did he say that got him fired?

 

[meaner gene]

BTW....why is it you can't provide the actual 'lie'?

Jan. 14. Flynn tells Pence the conversation he had with Kislyak did not include discussion of sanctions.



Jan. 15. Pence goes on “Meet the Press” and denies Flynn discussed sanctions.

As you can see, Flynn lied about discussing sanctions with the russians.



Flynn lied to Pence, claiming he didn't discuss sanctions, and that's why Trump fired him.

 

[PoliticalChic]

That was his job, you dunce.

Doing so would not be a reason to fire him.


BTW....why is it you can't provide the actual 'lie'?

As you can see, Flynn lied about discussing sanctions with the russians.

Flynn lied to Pence, claiming he didn't discuss sanctions, and that's why Trump fired him.

As you can see, you can't find any quote of a lie.

Discussing relations with Russia was the job he was hired to do.

 

[PoliticalChic]

14. But wait! There’s more!

The plans of the Deep State required linking Trump to Russia. Toward that end, they sent a stereotypical Russian agent in to meet with Trump, Jr.

The Clinton associated GPS Fusion sent a Russian woman to Trump's son supposedly with dirt on Hillary.....as if there wasn't enough available......and he found out that what she wanted was to talk about Russian adoptions.

"Russian lawyer who met with Donald Trump Jr linked to investigation group behind salacious Steele Dossier
Jul 10, 2017 - Lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya has denied working for the Russian ... that the person who sought the meeting is associated with Fusion GPS, ...
...the person who sought the meeting is associated with Fusion GPS, a firm which according to public reports, was retained by Democratic operatives...."
Russian lawyer who met with Donald Trump Jr linked to investigation group behind salacious Steele Dossier



Now....read this slowly: if the Trump campaign was aligned with Putin.....why would they need to have a meeting with this unknown woman????





15. Remember how the Russian lawyer meeting with Junior was gonna prove that Trump was tied to the Kremlin???

Now, it turns out that the cut-out that Hillary paid to bring Moscow to her side was the same group that sent Natalia Veselnitskaya to meet with the Trump folks.

"Fusion GPS official met with Russian operative before and after Trump Jr. sit-down

The co-founder of Fusion GPS, the firm behind the unverified Trump dossier, met with a Russian lawyer before and after a key meeting she had last year with Trump’s son...
The contacts shed new light on how closely tied the firm was to Russian interests, at a time when it was financing research to discredit then-candidate Donald Trump.


...hours before the Trump Tower meeting on June 9, 2016, Fusion co-founder and ex-Wall Street Journal reporter Glenn Simpson was with Veselnitskaya .... email correspondence and published reports corroborate the pair’s presence together.....they also were together after the Trump Tower meeting.”
Fusion GPS official met with Russian operative before and after Trump Jr. sit-down

 

[meaner gene]

As you can see, you can't find any quote of a lie.

Jan. 14. Flynn tells Pence the conversation he had with Kislyak did not include discussion of sanctions.

Jan. 15. Pence goes on “Meet the Press” and denies Flynn discussed sanctions.

As you can see, Flynn lied about discussing sanctions with the russians.

Flynn lied to Pence, claiming he didn't discuss sanctions, and that's why Trump fired him.

If you want an exact quote you'll have to interview Vice President Pence. But Pence didn't do a 302 on their conversation.

 

[meaner gene]

As you can see, you can't find any quote of a lie.

Her's a transcript of the lies Flynn told Pence.

Face the Nation transcript January 15, 2017: Pence, Manchin, Gingrich

Guests included Mike Pence, Joe Manchin, Newt Gingrich, David Ignatius, Ruth Marcus, Ben Domenech, John Heilemann and Ed O'Keefe.

www.cbsnews.com

MIKE PENCE: I talked to General Flynn about that conversation and actually was initiated on Christmas Day he had sent a text to the Russian ambassador to express not only Christmas wishes but sympathy for the loss of life in the airplane crash that took place. It was strictly coincidental that they had a conversation. They did not discuss anything having to do with the United States’ decision to expel diplomats or impose censure against Russia.

MIKE PENCE: --should do. But what I can confirm, having spoken to him about it, is that those conversations that happened to occur around the time that the United States took action to expel diplomats had nothing whatsoever to do with those sanctions.

MIKE PENCE: I can confirm those elements were not a part of that discussion.

 

[meaner gene]

As you can see, you can't find any quote of a lie.

Here's the video of Pence explaining the lies he was told by Flynn.

Pence: I knew Flynn lied to me about Russian contacts when he was fired

The vice president vouched for Flynn during a January 15 appearance on Face the Nation before the former national security adviser was terminated

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

When “discussing” anything with the Politicalchic it is always a mistake to try to be “subtle.” I congratulate you, meaner gene, for early on discovering the right way to deal with this dishonest fraud.

 

[meaner gene]

When “discussing” anything with the Politicalchic it is always a mistake to try to be “subtle.” I congratulate you, meaner gene, for early on discovering the right way to deal with this dishonest fraud.

It's a common ploy to require an exact quote, as opposed to a description of what was said. In this case even more difficult to demand the quote of what Flynn said to Mike Pence. The best I could do was provide Pences description of the lie that Flynn told him.

 

[whitehall]

In a just world, withholding evidence that FBI agents were ordered to target a retired General for political reasons would have caused an immediate dismissal of charges and possible charges certified against the Agents. It shows what can happen when the media and the democrat party unite with high ranking members of the top law enforcement agency to engage in what amounts to a political coup. They need to dust off the statutes pertaining to treason. Scary stuff.

 

[PoliticalChic]

As you can see, you can't find any quote of a lie.

Her's a transcript of the lies Flynn told Pence.

Face the Nation transcript January 15, 2017: Pence, Manchin, Gingrich

Guests included Mike Pence, Joe Manchin, Newt Gingrich, David Ignatius, Ruth Marcus, Ben Domenech, John Heilemann and Ed O'Keefe.

www.cbsnews.com

MIKE PENCE: I talked to General Flynn about that conversation and actually was initiated on Christmas Day he had sent a text to the Russian ambassador to express not only Christmas wishes but sympathy for the loss of life in the airplane crash that took place. It was strictly coincidental that they had a conversation. They did not discuss anything having to do with the United States’ decision to expel diplomats or impose censure against Russia.

MIKE PENCE: --should do. But what I can confirm, having spoken to him about it, is that those conversations that happened to occur around the time that the United States took action to expel diplomats had nothing whatsoever to do with those sanctions.

MIKE PENCE: I can confirm those elements were not a part of that discussion.

No it isn't.

You don't read very well.


That's the transcript of what Pence said.

 

[PoliticalChic]

As you can see, you can't find any quote of a lie.

Here's the video of Pence explaining the lies he was told by Flynn.

Pence: I knew Flynn lied to me about Russian contacts when he was fired

The vice president vouched for Flynn during a January 15 appearance on Face the Nation before the former national security adviser was terminated

www.cbsnews.com

Where is the quote of the 'lie' that caused Flynn to be fired?


The Role and Importance of the National Security Advisor
By Stephen J. Hadley
Former National Security Advisor under President George W. Bush


Brent Scowcroft defined the role of the National Security Advisor (NSA). The only person to hold the job twice, Brent established the “Scowcroft Model” for all who followed him in the job: Be an “Honest Broker,” running a fair, transparent, and inclusive process for bringing issues to the President; maintain the confidence of your national security colleagues; keep a low public profile, operating largely off stage; and give your advice privately to the President. This approach best serves the President and enhances the prospects for a sound foreign policy.

Scowcroft Paper 1 | The Role and Importance of the National Security Advisor

the job: Be an “Honest Broker,” running a fair, transparent, and inclusive process for bringing issues to the President; maintain the confidence of your national security colleagues; keep a low public profile, operating largely off stage; and give your advice privately to the President. This...

bush.tamu.edu

Flynn was doing exactly what the job required.




The Obama/Deep State attempt to destroy the Trump presidency was aimed at tying Trump to Russia.
When the FBI charged Flynn with close ties to Russia, he became a political hot potato.
This made it a better move for Trump to find another advisor.

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. Obama had personal animus toward Flynn, who was more interested in America’s benefit than Hussein was:

“Obama personally had warned the Trump administration against hiring Flynn, and made clear he was "not a fan," according to multiple officials. Obama had fired Flynn as head of the Defense Intelligence Agency in 2014; Obama cited insubordination, while Flynn asserted he was pushed out for his aggressive stance on combating lslamic extremism.”
Gregg Re, Op.Cit.



7. In his capacity as national security adviser to Trump, Flynn had a phone call with Russian Ambassador Kislyak on December 22, 2016.

“On January 5, 2017, Yates attended an Oval Office meeting with then-FBI Director James Comey, then-Vice President Joe Biden, then-CIA Director John Brennan, and then-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, according to the newly declassified documents, including an FD-302 FBI witness report. [Obama] said he had "learned of the information about Flynn" … "It was not clear to Yates from where the President first received the information.”
Op.Cit.


The attack on Flynn was a 'two-fer' for Hussein.
He used this corrupt attack on Flynn as entree into the Trump campaign....
....and he got his revenge on a man who stood against Obama's support and shielding of Islamoterrorists, specifically, Iran.

"Poor Joe Biden. He can’t seem to catch a break. Even with extremely Democrat-friendly news host George Stephanopoulos, the pressure of a simple question and its follow up were far too much for Biden to handle. He got caught in a bald-faced lie, then lied about the original lie before going into some incoherent rant about President Trump.

Stephanopoulos asked Biden whether he knew about the investigation into General Michael Flynn that began when Biden was still Vice President. He replied by saying, “I knew nothing about those moves to investigate Michael Flynn.”

Unfortunately for Biden, that’s an old talking point. It has been revealed through declassified testimony that Biden was present in meetings pertaining to the Flynn investigation. Both he and President Obama held briefings over the supposed Russian hack of the 2016 election in January, 2017. Attendees testified that Biden and Obama discussed General Flynn in-depth."

Joe Biden flat-out lies about knowledge of Flynn investigation, then lies about the lie a minute later

Poor Joe Biden. He can't seem to catch a break. Even with extremely Democrat-friendly news host George Stephanopoulos, the pressure

noqreport.com

 

[Billy_Bob]

As you can see, Flynn lied about discussing sanctions with the russians.

Flynn lied to Pence, claiming he didn't discuss sanctions, and that's why Trump fired him.

What's the lie?

I just told you. Flynn lied to Pence claiming he didn't talk about sanctions with the russians.

That was the lie he told Pence.

That's why Trump fired him.

Actually, the only reason for firing that makes sense is that any way 'Russia' could be linked to Trump at that time was too hot to handle.


The "state-affiliated entities" line was an apparent reference to Flynn's paid appearance at a Moscow gala for Russian state TV network RT in 2015. Flynn also reportedly received thousands more in expenses covered by the network and in speech fees from other Russian firms, including some payments that he initially didn't disclose on ethics forms." Gregg Re” [URLunfurl="true"]Obama knew details of wiretapped Flynn phone calls, surprising top DOJ official in meeting with Biden, declassified docs show[/URL]



Can you quote the actual 'lie'?

No?

Why not?



The FBI had the entire phone conversation.....what did he say that got him fired?

IT was the FBI's missrepresentation of the facts that got Flynn fired. Nothing Flynn said or did was improper.

 

[PoliticalChic]

As you can see, Flynn lied about discussing sanctions with the russians.

Flynn lied to Pence, claiming he didn't discuss sanctions, and that's why Trump fired him.

What's the lie?

I just told you. Flynn lied to Pence claiming he didn't talk about sanctions with the russians.

That was the lie he told Pence.

That's why Trump fired him.

Actually, the only reason for firing that makes sense is that any way 'Russia' could be linked to Trump at that time was too hot to handle.


The "state-affiliated entities" line was an apparent reference to Flynn's paid appearance at a Moscow gala for Russian state TV network RT in 2015. Flynn also reportedly received thousands more in expenses covered by the network and in speech fees from other Russian firms, including some payments that he initially didn't disclose on ethics forms." Gregg Re” [URLunfurl="true"]Obama knew details of wiretapped Flynn phone calls, surprising top DOJ official in meeting with Biden, declassified docs show[/URL]



Can you quote the actual 'lie'?

No?

Why not?



The FBI had the entire phone conversation.....what did he say that got him fired?

IT was the FBI's missrepresentation of the facts that got Flynn fired. Nothing Flynn said or did was improper.

That is a fact......they made it just too burdensome to keep Flynn, with the word 'Russia' being attached to every news report.