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But....armed Americans won't be able to use their guns effectively to stop attackers, you know, except for this guy, and so many others...

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Do you not realize the US constitution has been amended 27 times? You should go read it.
Look at you - trying to move the goalposts.
What page is that in your toddler's playbook?
You clearly are so emotionally overwhelmed by this issue,, you are forced to lie to make a point.
You better sit this one out.
 

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YOU QUOTED ME EXACTLY, M14. How can I be moving the goal posts!
Really... you must learn to govern your passions... they will be your undoing.

You need to take a break. throw away your toddler's playbook, and let us know when you can calmly and honestly discuss an issue.
 

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Yeah, but you wouldn't be able to, no matter how much you fantasize it.


The odds are more likely that someone in your immediate family who shares the house with you and your guns are FAR more likely to be hurt with them than some "intruder" or "vicious attacker".


Sure, you COULD, possibly, in some rare scenario become a hero. But odds are better that you won't.

That old saw is based on warped analysis. SUICIDES are the largest fraction of gun deaths in America by far. They were "bound into" this phony factoid to arrive at that conclusion. It's not like there are aren't 50 other more painful ways to commit suicide.

And any analytical person would figure being TOLD that this factoid is whacked -- would also automatically realize that SUICIDES are MUCH more common in general than home attacks. The SAFETY record for handling firearms is actually pretty damn good. Citizens aren't far behind security/police for "unintended discharges ending in injury or death".
 

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Yeah, but you wouldn't be able to, no matter how much you fantasize it.


The odds are more likely that someone in your immediate family who shares the house with you and your guns are FAR more likely to be hurt with them than some "intruder" or "vicious attacker".


Sure, you COULD, possibly, in some rare scenario become a hero. But odds are better that you won't.
It called risk assessment. People do it every day. If you have a swimming pool you and your kids are far more likely to drown than a person who doesn't own a swimming pool but people who own swimming pools are comfortable with that risk.

If you are not comfortable with the risks involved with owning a gun don't own one. It's that simple.

I don't think having guns in my home is a risk to anyone in my home because I know how to handle them safely.
 

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Thanks to Visa, Mastercard and American Express there will in the future be fewer armed citizens capable of fighting back.

Cash is king...
 

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I've used my legally concealed firearm to defend myself and my loved ones twice. One of those instances resulted in someone losing his life.

I will never be unarmed.

I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six...
 

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You are free to believe otherwise, but you have no actual data to support your contention. And while you clearly don't like the data I have available, it is real so you have to figure out a way to debate against the experts.

Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives | The Wentworth Report


  • Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they inflict. Guns are used to defend against criminals up to 2.5 million times every year (though only fired in 8% of these cases), which is 80 times more than they are used to take lives. Up to 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year; only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person versus 11% for the police.
  • Concealed carry laws help reduce crime. Violent crime falls in a state after it legalizes carrying of concealed firearms.
  • Criminals avoid armed citizens. Criminals are less likely to enter homes if they think the occupants might be armed, and mass-shootings nearly all seem to occur in “gun-free” zones.
 

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Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives | The Wentworth Report


  • Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they inflict. Guns are used to defend against criminals up to 2.5 million times every year (though only fired in 8% of these cases), which is 80 times more than they are used to take lives. Up to 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year; only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person versus 11% for the police.
  • Concealed carry laws help reduce crime. Violent crime falls in a state after it legalizes carrying of concealed firearms.
  • Criminals avoid armed citizens. Criminals are less likely to enter homes if they think the occupants might be armed, and mass-shootings nearly all seem to occur in “gun-free” zones.
Marxist men dont want women to defend themselves, because then they cant just take what ever they want from those women, and thus leave them with a baby. That is why Marxists want abortions for rape, because it is the Marxists who are doing the rape. Then deny that they ever had done anything to the woman.

 

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The results of leftist policies that enable criminals couldn't be clearer.

We are largely at a point where we are responsible for our safety.






'We Can’t Keep You Safe’- Law Enforcement Officials Tell Fox News​



Meanwhile, crime in major cities continues to rise. According to police department data, Chicago has seen a 39% increase in crime, Philadelphia 24.3%, New York City 21.1%. and Los Angeles 8.7% year-over-year.

LAPD Detective Jamie McBride shared concern over his city as fewer officers means a decreased ability to serve the community.

“It’s not safe here,” McBride warned. “I’ve been telling people for over a year, do not come to Los Angeles. We cannot keep you safe.”
 

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