Bush waterboarded 3 TERRORISTS/Obama drones kill untold amounts of people

[Warrior102]

Bush was a pussy.

Hardly. And you served where?

 

[Warrior102]

Bush's war - my ass Senate approves Iraq war resolution - CNN

 

[Saigon]

KABUL, Afghanistan — Detainees are hung by their hands and beaten with cables, and in some cases their genitals are twisted until the prisoners lose consciousness at sites run by the Afghan intelligence service and the Afghan National Police, according to a United Nations report released here on Monday.

The report, based on interviews over the past year with more than 300 suspects linked to the insurgency, is the most comprehensive look at the Afghan detention system and an issue that has long concerned Western officials and human rights groups.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/11/w...-of-afghan-detainees.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Folks, there is no question at all that Americans funded, trained and took part in this kind of torture. It's a known fact. I don't give a shit which president was in office - I can't accept that this is the way a civilised country acts.

 

[Warrior102]

KABUL, Afghanistan — Detainees are hung by their hands and beaten with cables, and in some cases their genitals are twisted until the prisoners lose consciousness at sites run by the Afghan intelligence service and the Afghan National Police, according to a United Nations report released here on Monday.

The report, based on interviews over the past year with more than 300 suspects linked to the insurgency, is the most comprehensive look at the Afghan detention system and an issue that has long concerned Western officials and human rights groups.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/11/w...-of-afghan-detainees.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Folks, there is no question at all that Americans funded, trained and took part in this kind of torture. It's a known fact. I don't give a shit which president was in office - I can't accept that this is the way a civilised country acts.

Call Obama asswipe

 

[Sallow]

Where is the equivalent outrage?




Hypocrits

You forget all the people killed by the illegal invasion of Iraq?

Why is that?

…and Afghanistan, over 4000 Americans dead.

Hypocrisy indeed.

Afghanistan wasn't illegal.

We had plenty of reason to invade..and even gave the Taliban time to give up Osama Bin Laden.

They refused.

And they paid for it.

 

[Sallow]

You forget all the people killed by the illegal invasion of Iraq?

The one supported by Democrats?

Need the vote count?

You remember any congress that denied a President a war?

 

[Saigon]

Warrior -

The use of extreme torture dates back through several adminsitrations - at least back to Iraq I.

No party or president gets a pass here, and as I said earlier, I really don't care which party or president was in power. We can be fairly sure that every president of the past 25 years or so knew of torture and approved it.

I mentioned the case earlier of an American soldier using a blow torch on a man's eye (in Afghanistan). I don't call that a justified use of force.

btw. Do not send me messages telling me to shut up. This is a public forum, and although you may not like the right to free speech, I kinda like it.

 

[CMike]

What's worse is that the terrorists are dead and can't be interrogated for intelligence information.

 

[blackhawk]

Where is the equivalent outrage?




Hypocrits

The one who ordered the water boarding had the letter R next to his name the one who orders the drone strikes has the letter D next to his name that pretty much explains the outrage and lack thereof.

 

[Saigon]

Diliawar

Dilawar, who died on December 10, 2002, was a 22-year-old Afghan taxi driver and farmer who weighed 122 pounds and was described by his interpreters as neither violent nor aggressive.

When beaten, he repeatedly cried "Allah!" The outcry appears to have amused U.S. military personnel, as the act of striking him in order to provoke a scream of "Allah!" eventually "became a kind of running joke," according to one of the MPs. "People kept showing up to give this detainee a common peroneal strike just to hear him scream out 'Allah,'" he said. "It went on over a 24-hour period, and I would think that it was over 100 strikes."

The Times reported that:

On the day of his death, Dilawar had been chained by the wrists to the top of his cell for much of the previous four days.

"A guard tried to force the young man to his knees. But his legs, which had been pummeled by guards for several days, could no longer bend. An interrogator told Mr. Dilawar that he could see a doctor after they finished with him. When he was finally sent back to his cell, though, the guards were instructed only to chain the prisoner back to the ceiling.

"Leave him up," one of the guards quoted Specialist Claus as saying. Several hours passed before an emergency room doctor finally saw Mr. Dilawar. By then he was dead, his body beginning to stiffen.

It would be many months before Army investigators learned a final horrific detail: Most of the interrogators had believed Mr. Dilawar was an innocent man who simply drove his taxi past the American base at the wrong time.

Bagram torture and prisoner abuse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

liberals wail about the inhumanity of waterboarding but are in total support of blowing people into tiny pieces by robots. hypocrisy much?

Is there any difference between being blown to bits by a robot and some troops?

That's kind of confusing.

Is there any difference between being waterboarded and getting a day in court vs being blown to bits by a drone?

 

[Sallow]

liberals wail about the inhumanity of waterboarding but are in total support of blowing people into tiny pieces by robots. hypocrisy much?

Is there any difference between being blown to bits by a robot and some troops?

That's kind of confusing.

Is there any difference between being waterboarded and getting a day in court vs being blown to bits by a drone?

Yeah..there is..

Who did you want to have their day in court?

Exactly?

 

[Sallow]

Where is the equivalent outrage?




Hypocrits

The one who ordered the water boarding had the letter R next to his name the one who orders the drone strikes has the letter D next to his name that pretty much explains the outrage and lack thereof.

There's plenty of outrage about the policy.

Here's the diff.

You folks could care less about the people getting killed..you just really want to remove the President..and NOT the policy.

 

[Bigfoot]

Warrior -

The use of extreme torture dates back through several adminsitrations - at least back to Iraq I.

No party or president gets a pass here, and as I said earlier, I really don't care which party or president was in power. We can be fairly sure that every president of the past 25 years or so knew of torture and approved it.

I mentioned the case earlier of an American soldier using a blow torch on a man's eye (in Afghanistan). I don't call that a justified use of force.

btw. Do not send me messages telling me to shut up. This is a public forum, and although you may not like the right to free speech, I kinda like it.

You are a lying partisan. Those techniques that you are claiming have been used since the US involvement are standard SOP for the Muslims and have been used for more years then you know. How many middle eastern police stations have you been in and what do they smell like? Gawd you are an ignorant lying ass bigot.

 

[Rozman]

Where is the equivalent outrage?




Hypocrits

You forget all the people killed by the illegal invasion of Iraq?

Why is that?

There wasn't an illegal invasion of Iraq by the US in my lifetime so I will not be able to comment.

 

[Sallow]

Where is the equivalent outrage?




Hypocrits

You forget all the people killed by the illegal invasion of Iraq?

Why is that?

There wasn't an illegal invasion of Iraq by the US in my lifetime so I will not be able to comment.

The law doesn't begin and end in this country.

Most of the rest of the world views the invasion as illegal.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Warmongering and slaughtering brown people is only bad when Republicans do it. When Democrats do it, it's patriotic.

 

[Redfish]

You forget all the people killed by the illegal invasion of Iraq?

Why is that?

There wasn't an illegal invasion of Iraq by the US in my lifetime so I will not be able to comment.

The law doesn't begin and end in this country.

Most of the rest of the world views the invasion as illegal.

really? there is a book of international law that the USA is subject to? really? where is this book and which court enforces it? when did the USA agree to be bound by some international code of law?

are you really as ignorant as you appear?

 

[RosieS]

liberals wail about the inhumanity of waterboarding but are in total support of blowing people into tiny pieces by robots. hypocrisy much?

Is there any difference between being blown to bits by a robot and some troops?

That's kind of confusing.

Is there any difference between being waterboarded and getting a day in court vs being blown to bits by a drone?

Yeah....torture necessarily involves our military and intelligence personnel. Drone strikes occur thru remote control.

It might have been more merciful to send the enemy to Allah quickly instead of imprisoned at the Gitmo hellhole indefinitely without trial. No trial is possible when torture by American troops would be revealed in trial transcripts subject to the Freedom of Information Act.

The Bush Administration were dumbasses.

Regards from Rosie

 

[RosieS]

There wasn't an illegal invasion of Iraq by the US in my lifetime so I will not be able to comment.

The law doesn't begin and end in this country.

Most of the rest of the world views the invasion as illegal.

really? there is a book of international law that the USA is subject to? really? where is this book and which court enforces it? when did the USA agree to be bound by some international code of law?

are you really as ignorant as you appear?

Moron never heard of the Geneva Conventions.

The Geneva Conventions of 1949 and their Additional Protocols

Regards from Rosie