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Bureau of Land Management vs Robert "LaVoy" Finicum, and the US Constitution

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Oregon Standoff: Federal Land Grab vs. the Sagebrush Rebellion

The occupation of the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Harney County, Oregon by a small group of armed protesters represents a new and confrontational tactic in the Sagebrush Rebellion–the decades old struggle of Western ranchers against federal control of state lands. While the majority of rancher disputes are against the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) the US Fish and Wildlife Service has been just as ruthless–in this case expanding the wildlife refuge at the expense of neighboring ranchers. This week I’ll detail the struggle of the Hammond family, and of Ammon Bundy the protest leader.
When you read the litany of federal abuse of ranching families, you will better understand why some ranchers are staging an armed resistance. I also give some suggestions on how this can be resolved peacefully.

The continuous criminal enterprise continues to slaughter Americans , perpetrate treason against the Constitution while the narcotized populace pick their collective noses and propel and avowed socialist to the Whitehouse.

For shame
 

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Isn't it time the federal government took a hard look at the hundred years of federal confiscation of land? You can get arrested for trespassing on any one of thousands of (not so) secret federal military installations even when there are no secrets left to protect. Thanks to the passage of time and the effort of traitors and idiots like Hillary, not to mention giveaway programs like Clinton's nuclear deal with North Korea and ICBM deal with China and Hussein's deal with Iran and negligence by "intelligence" agencies and even cyber attack there are no secrets left. We spend time and manpower and money to protect remnants of 20th century cold war junk that we end up dumping but the feds won't give it up. We have learned recently that the federal agency responsible for monitoring water quality failed in it's mission in Flint Mich. so what makes us think the BLM still has a logical mission? The dirty little secret is that the federal government contains thousands of little kingdoms or bureaucracies and the unstated mission of every federal bureaucracy is to get bigger and get more funding and become more powerful even if it doesn't make any sense.
 
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Isn't it time the federal government took a hard look at the hundred years of federal confiscation of land? You can get arrested for trespassing on any one of thousands of (not so) secret federal military installations even when there are no secrets left to protect. Thanks to the passage of time and the effort of traitors and idiots like Hillary, not to mention giveaway programs like Clinton's nuclear deal with North Korea and ICBM deal with China and Hussein's deal with Iran and negligence by "intelligence" agencies and even cyber attack there are no secrets left. We spend time and manpower and money to protect remnants of 20th century cold war junk that we end up dumping but the feds won't give it up. We have learned recently that the federal agency responsible for monitoring water quality failed in it's mission in Flint Mich. so what makes us think the BLM still has a logical mission? The dirty little secret is that the federal government contains thousands of little kingdoms or bureaucracies and the unstated mission of every federal bureaucracy is to get bigger and get more funding and become more powerful even if it doesn't make any sense.


Robert "LaVoy" Finicum had no way of resolving the issue peacefully since Article III Courts have been abolished.

To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

Spineless fascist coackroaches populate the federal "courts" in order to perpetrate the fraud that Americans still have judicial review.


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Judge sends Oregon ranchers back to prison

A federal judge in Eugene, Ore., gave the father and son credit for time served but ordered them to serve the remainder of their mandatory five-year sentences for burning BLM rangeland.


EUGENE, Ore. — A father and son who raise cattle in Eastern Oregon are headed back to federal prison for committing arson on public land.

Dwight Lincoln Hammond, 73, and his son, Steven Dwight Hammond, 46, were sentenced on Oct. 7 to five years in prison for illegally setting fires on U.S. Bureau of Land Management property near Diamond, Ore.

The ranchers had already served shorter sentences because the federal judge originally overseeing their case said the five-year minimum requirement “would shock the conscience.”

The Hammonds were subject to re-sentencing because the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals threw out those original prison terms for igniting fires in 2001 and 2006 as too lenient.
 
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Are you saying there's no such thing as fed land ?

Like I can set up a campground in Arlington cemetery and no one can say shit about it ?

The root of the controversy is a constitutional dispute that has never been properly adjudicated. Under Article IV, Section 3:2 (The Property Clause), it says,

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States….

However, once a territory becomes a state, the federal government can only possess land, within that state for limited purposes: a national capitol, federal military facilities, and certain docking and warehouse facilities related to the collection of tariffs. This is governed by Article I, Section 8:17 which states:


To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District [Washington DC] (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of Particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings [such as post offices].
 
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Notice, those lands have to be specifically ceded by the states through consent of the state legislatures; they cannot be taken arbitrarily by government. The federal government got around this by making federal ownership of large parts of Western territories a condition of statehood. This had never been done to any state until the territories west of the Dakotas, down through Texas became states. Nevada was literally robbed of 84.5% of its land. In most western states the federal government owns more than half of the land mass. This is outrageous. Here is a link to a map showing the sad facts."


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Should the BLM go to jail for arson of ranchers homes, cattle, and ranches??????????

Should they be held to the same standard of a private controlled burn.?????????
 

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Oregon Standoff: Federal Land Grab vs. the Sagebrush Rebellion

The occupation of the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Harney County, Oregon by a small group of armed protesters represents a new and confrontational tactic in the Sagebrush Rebellion–the decades old struggle of Western ranchers against federal control of state lands. While the majority of rancher disputes are against the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) the US Fish and Wildlife Service has been just as ruthless–in this case expanding the wildlife refuge at the expense of neighboring ranchers. This week I’ll detail the struggle of the Hammond family, and of Ammon Bundy the protest leader.
When you read the litany of federal abuse of ranching families, you will better understand why some ranchers are staging an armed resistance. I also give some suggestions on how this can be resolved peacefully.

The continuous criminal enterprise continues to slaughter Americans , perpetrate treason against the Constitution while the narcotized populace pick their collective noses and propel and avowed socialist to the Whitehouse.

For shame



What land have they grabbed?

You do realize that the land where that sanctuary is was BOUGHT over 100 years ago by the US federal government don't you?

Ever hear of a man by the name of Theodore Roosevelt?

He was president a the beginning of the 20th century.

He had the federal government BUY that land from those who owned it which is what the constitution requires.

So there is no land grab.

Stop lying.
 

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This is what sparked the latest exchange.

Judge sends Oregon ranchers back to prison

A federal judge in Eugene, Ore., gave the father and son credit for time served but ordered them to serve the remainder of their mandatory five-year sentences for burning BLM rangeland.


EUGENE, Ore. — A father and son who raise cattle in Eastern Oregon are headed back to federal prison for committing arson on public land.

Dwight Lincoln Hammond, 73, and his son, Steven Dwight Hammond, 46, were sentenced on Oct. 7 to five years in prison for illegally setting fires on U.S. Bureau of Land Management property near Diamond, Ore.

The ranchers had already served shorter sentences because the federal judge originally overseeing their case said the five-year minimum requirement “would shock the conscience.”

The Hammonds were subject to re-sentencing because the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals threw out those original prison terms for igniting fires in 2001 and 2006 as too lenient.


That has nothing to do with the federal government grabbing land.

It has to do with federal minimum sentencing laws.
 

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