Bringing manufacturing back to the US, but no jobs for the working class

[initforme]

How much do you believe a factory, unskilled worker should be making?

$25 to start plus full benefits seems fair and fair to the employer as well. Still not even decent pay in reality.

 

[1srelluc]

The design of those plants are often held aboard especially in Europe.... That is where the actually best paying and most work goes one...

Europe is laughing their holes off at US asking for manafactueuring jobs... That is Red State idiot jobs, the Blue states want the much higher paid services jobs(and they ain't talking about restaraunts)...

Manufacturing is low skilled compared to the services jobs.... Some of these jobs China is not competing for, better to let off to Bangladesh where labour is real cheap...

Auto Manufacture , the best jobs are in design, regulation, IT, Testing, Marketing.... Manufacture is overseeing a robot doing lego...

Damn dude, you are a whole new kind of recalibrated stupid.....Best if you just bugger-off.

 

[Delldude]

$25 to start plus full benefits seems fair and fair to the employer as well. Still not even decent pay in reality.

Not bad....semi-skilled most likely. Lower wage depending on the position. Some guy in the parts department not going to see $25.

 

[initforme]

Not bad....semi-skilled most likely. Lower wage depending on the position. Some guy in the parts department not going to see $25.

Then nobody needs to do the parts job.

 

[g5000]

Robotics are the freaking present but robotics still represent jobs for skilled middle class workers in spite of a Brit editorial.

Robotics means far, far less jobs.

Automation deletes more jobs than it creates. That's why companies automate.

Here's an American auto factory from the 1970s. Look how many workers:

Here's an American auto factory today. See if you can find the humans:

How are Trump's tariffs on automobiles going to bring back those jobs?

 

[g5000]

$25 to start plus full benefits seems fair and fair to the employer as well. Still not even decent pay in reality.

This is EXACTLY why jobs were sent overseas or automated out of existence.

McKinsey: automation may wipe out 1/3 of America’s workforce by 2030

 

[kyzr]

Robotics means far, far less jobs.
Automation deletes more jobs than it creates. That's why companies automate.
Here's an American auto factory from the 1970s. Look how many workers:
Here's an American auto factory today. See if you can find the humans:
How are Trump's tariffs on automobiles going to bring back those jobs?

You only show the final assembly, you don't show the engines and transmissions being built, nor all of the other parts needed for final assembly, or all of the steel and aluminum used being made, or even the robots and plants used being made.

Trump's tariffs are intended to import fewer foreign cars and sell more domestic cars. The UAW is ecstatic about Trump's tariffs.

 

[initforme]

This is EXACTLY why jobs were sent overseas or automated out of existence.

McKinsey: automation may wipe out 1/3 of America’s workforce by 2030

Then you are against jobs that support families. I get that. But $17 per hour is not going to provide much of anything other than maybe a miserable means to live.

 

[g5000]

Then you are against jobs that support families.

Just how retarded are you to draw such a conclusion?

What you don't get, and what I've been saying for YEARS, is that going to work in your daddy's factory is no longer viable. We need to train our children for the jobs of TOMORROW, not the jobs of YESTERDAY.

This persistent idiocy of clinging to manufacturing jobs as the answer to all our problems is ignorant in the extreme.

Look at the graphic I provided, fool. The US makes more stuff than ever before.

Trump won't tell you that. He hopes you don't find out that is a fact.

As I've pointed out countless times, 90 percent of America worked in agriculture at our nation's founding.

Today, only 2 percent work in agriculture and we produce more food than ever. We feed the world.

What would you make of a demagogue who promised to "bring back farm jobs"?

Would you be stupid enough to support that asshole?

Well, guess what. It's the same thing with Trump and manufacturing jobs.

Manufacturing is not where the money for workers is. That's gone. Kaput.

Most, and mean the vast majority, of manufacturing jobs that have been lost did NOT go overseas. They went EXTINCT because of automation.

Stop being stupid. Open your eyes.

Trump is a buffoon.

 

[initforme]

Just how retarded are you to draw such a conclusion?

What you don't get, and what I've been saying for YEARS, is that going to work in your daddy's factory is no longer viable. We need to train our children for the jobs of TOMORROW, not the jobs of YESTERDAY.

This persistent idiocy of clinging to manufacturing jobs as the answer to all our problems is ignorant in the extreme.

Look at the graphic I provided, fool. The US makes more stuff than ever before.

Trump won't tell you that. He hopes you don't find out that is a fact.

As I've pointed out countless times, 90 percent of America worked in agriculture at our nation's founding.

Today, only 2 percent work in agriculture and we produce more food than ever. We feed the world.

What would you make of a demagogue who promised to "bring back farm jobs"?

Would you be stupid enough to support that asshole?

Well, guess what. It's the same thing with Trump and manufacturing jobs.

Manufacturing is not where the money for workers is. Thai sgree t's gone. Kaput.

Most, and mean the vast majority, of manufacturing jobs that have been lost did NOT go overseas. They went EXTINCT because of automation.

Stop being stupid. Open your eyes.

Trump is a buffoon.

I'm going to agree that bringing back jobs isn't the end all unless they pay big time more than the same product overseas. So in that aspect I fully agree.

 

[Delldude]

Then nobody needs to do the parts job.

That type job won't demand that high a wage. I'd guess high teens with a decent bennies would fill under $20.

 

[initforme]

That type job won't demand that high a wage. I'd guess high teens with a decent bennies would fill under $20.

I'd just as soon see the position be unable to be filled

 

[g5000]

Agriculture employment was 90 percent of the population in 1790. Today it is 2 percent.

Now look at this reality.

Here is manufacturing output by year:

Now here is manufacturing employment over the same period:

Trump is an idiot and a liar.


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[g5000]

I'm going to agree that bringing back jobs isn't the end all unless they pay big time more than the same product overseas. So in that aspect I fully agree.

Instead of retooling our education system to train our kids for the jobs of tomorrow, the Republicans are trying to tear down our education system so our kids can be homeschooled to learn the Earth is only 6,000 years old and that vaccinations are bad.

 

[initforme]

Instead of retooling our education system to train our kids for the jobs of tomorrow, the Republicans are trying to tear down our education system so our kids can be homeschooled to learn the Earth is only 6,000 years old and that vaccinations are bad.

The earth is much older than 6000 years. That theory is for wackos.

 

[g5000]

As for the manufacturing which has gone to China, that's because of what is known in economics as the smiling curve of production.

Take a look at the diagram. Manufacturing nets the LEAST financial value. It is at the very bottom of the curve.

Because it nets the least value, it pays the least.

You reap the most benefits from R&D, Engineering, Branding, and Marketing, and Support.

A laptop gets manufactured in China, say. They make very little profit.

But then you slap an Apple log on it, and Apple makes a fuck-ton of money off it.

Some factories in China which make stuff like PCs, slap the logos of several companies on the same shit they make. They are all identical. The marketing is where the money is at.

So again, Trump is a liar AND an idiot trying to drag America back to the stone age. He and is idiot posse think Americans are too dumb to do anything more than screw tiny screws into iPhones.

 

[beagle9]

Yes, I understand that. From the perspective of today's technology, you can have such a factory that does not employ working class people (the people Trump wanted support from for this policy) but skilled workers, programmers and people who can fix the robots.

How many do you need per factory? The example given of the Dutch factory said 9 people. Obviously we don't know how many workers the factory would otherwise have employed, but probably a lot more than 9.

But we're entering the phase of AI, where AI will be able to do most of that programming itself. Then they might also have robots that can fix the robots. So, skilled workers will be less in demand as you'd need only to employ a company that hires out such people when it becomes an issue.

Loading containers, I'm sure that's something that will be mostly AI in the future.

Dockworkers, however, require things to be imported and exported. Tariffs reduce the amount of import and export. So, you'd expect the number of dockworkers to go DOWN.

You are forgetting the most important ingredient in it all, and that is the consumer. So where does these consumer's come from, otherwise if we don't promote and grow the consumer base ? Being hostile towards a vital consumer base is about is ridiculous as it gets.

Everything is in a balance, otherwise you have the producer and then the purchaser. If you become hostile towards, and/or you kill off the consumer base instead of nurturing it and growing it, then how stupid can the producer's or manufacturer's be ?

Ohhh wait I know, I know, but if planing on making the "world" the consumer market place, otherwise depending on outsider's to carry the weight of the consuming of American goods, then the producer's with government backing them up can turn it's nose up at it's own population of consumers.... If the consumers begin to demand quality goods at affordable prices, and also job's helping to produce the product's they also consume, then what does that picture begin to look like ?
Already young Americans are being killed off with drugs, sex, and evil thing's, so what is the future if it continues on these tracks without level head's figuring it all out ?

The new "World Order" is an evil world order. Fact !

I'll say it again - How does a country hate it's own citizen's like the U.S. does ??

 

[j-mac]

$25 to start plus full benefits seems fair and fair to the employer as well. Still not even decent pay in reality.

Seems to me that would be up to the prospective employees decision…But, see what you’re doing here? You’re setting the bar unreasonably high, and making it so that the factory can’t compete against similar makers of a said product unless they pay those kinds of wages as well.

Where’d you come Up with $25 hr. anyway? That’s 3.5 times the avg minimum wage in the country…

 

[initforme]

Seems to me that would be up to the prospective employees decision…But, see what you’re doing here? You’re setting the bar unreasonably high, and making it so that the factory can’t compete against similar makers of a said product unless they pay those kinds of wages as well.

Where’d you come Up with $25 hr. anyway? That’s 3.5 times the avg minimum wage in the country…

Disagree. You want americans doing those jobs then PAY them. And don't be cheap about it. $25 per hour doesn't amount to much of anything. Don't go there.

 

[initforme]

3.5 x the minimum wage for a factory job seems excessively fair to the employer as well.