Brexit Results a Win for Social Democracy

[georgephillip]

Economics professor Costas Lapavitsas argues in this TRNN interview with Gregory Wilpert the recent shocking results from Great Britain are a direct result of the EU's lack of Democracy:

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"WILPERT: ... There's been a lot of kind of confusion as to why even would David Cameron risk his prime ministership on such an important issue. And, I mean, he didn't have to call for a referendum. So how did this whole vote come about in Britain?

"LAPAVITSAS: I think that politically this represents a gross miscalculation by David Cameron. He had a longstanding political problem within the Tory Party. He thought that he would fix it by calling a referendum, which he thought that he would win easily, and that would settle the internal disputes within the Tory Party.

"He miscalculated very badly.

"And the reason why he miscalculated--and with him the entire British establishment--is because of course the question of the referendum touched upon a real, deep class divide in Britain, which came to the fore on this question.

"The people who voted for exit are basically the lower social strata--working class, poor people, essentially the people who would be the lower end of the income and other distribution in the country, together with some lower middle class strata who also voted in favor of exit.

"The people who voted in favor of remaining in the country are rich, the well off, the most powerful concentrations of capital, and the upper middle class.

"This divide came to the fore, and Exit won because the discontent of the poorer, the lower social strata was too strong to be held back. It came to the fore and it prevailed.

"So we've got a deep class divide that's behind British exit. We should never lose sight of that."

A deep class divide requiring a new left-wing commitment to democracy and national sovereignty coupled with progressive economic programs like nationalizing the banks, steel industry, and the railways.

Who knew?

 

[mascale]

More likely these were the Sanders voters of UK. Leaving the Eurozone actually costs the "Leave" voters a bundle. A promise of the "Leave" campaign was to put the Euro funding money to social and health benefits uses directly in the UK. Possibly Brussels had to better understand where the Eurozone needed to spend more money.

That is more of Social Democracy, Sanders voter type of redistribution campaign. Lincoln freed the slaves in the USA, but provided no remedy for the economic subjugation, of the ancient arithmetic even commencing with the Moses Atrocity in Deuteronomy 23:19-20. The affluent were getting the money from somewhere, using the investment and usury arithmetic. Usury itself likely started out beneficial--spreading around food technology, 5000 years ago. Arithmetic happened, so Code of Hammurabi allowed for a primitive Socialist solution--selling the wife and kids in slavery, to therein be fed, clothed, housed, and put to productive civilization. There was no precise computing of the number or health of the wife in kids in the Law. There was no precise computing of the amount of indebtedness. There is likely a three-year indentured term.

Mostly anyone can surmise a caring response to an arithmetic problem, likely not much known about at the time.

Jesus exposes the Moses Atrocity in Matthew 25:14-30. The servant with the one talent cannot possibly keep up with the other two, with more talents. Usury is shown to be arithmetic, with an outcome. The Pythagorean Theorem can even be applied. In Matthew 20:1-16, an equal amount remedy is presented, noting that the remedy is not usual arithmetic--"You have made them equal unto us, who have borne the heat and slime of the day," or some such wording--probably not put in English, in the original presentation(?). That would be said, "God's Plan," since there is no such thing.

But see where London and Brussels went wrong! Obama-Biden-Pelosi-Reid created the "Make Work Pay Refundable Income Tax Credit," just like in Matthew 20:1-16, regardless if the tax filer had worked all the year or not. The Republicans took the Christian remedy away, which is possibly of Greek invention, at any rate. Anyone can create a rectangle with basis in Matthew 20:1-16. The equal amount are little dots from the left side to the right side, all perpendicular to both. A diagonal from the lower left to the upper right presents an ancient arithmetic.

Mohammed, Adam Smith, Karl Marx, Keynes, and everyone else makes not notice of the arithmetic. Keynes was gay, and that math of usury now famously runs the place: "For he bade the people bend over, and await the Public Works(?)!"

Lots of little Brexits, may now happen--even as Sanders proceeds to the Democratic National Convention.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Lands of Many Nations can apply to become consultants, if new treaties are required(?)!)

 

[georgephillip]

Usury itself likely started out beneficial--spreading around food technology, 5000 years ago. Arithmetic happened, so Code of Hammurabi allowed for a primitive Socialist solution--selling the wife and kids in slavery, to therein be fed, clothed, housed, and put to productive civilization. There was no precise computing of the number or health of the wife in kids in the Law. There was no precise computing of the amount of indebtedness. There is likely a three-year indentured term.

Mostly anyone can surmise a caring response to an arithmetic problem, likely not much known about at the time.

The "magic of compound interest" has shown itself capable of manufacturing debt far more efficiently than any productive economy's ability to repay:

"J. P. Morgan and John D. Rockefeller are said to have called the principle of compound interest the Eighth Wonder of the World. For them it meant concentrating financial fortunes in the hands of an emerging oligarchy indebting the economy to itself at an exponential rate. This has been the key factor in polarizing the distribution of wealth and political power in societies that do not take steps to cope with this dynamic."

http://store.counterpunch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Killing-The-Host_PDF_V7.pdf (p. 36)

 

[mascale]

So back to Obama-Biden-Pelosi-Reid, then usury may be said a means and a method of raising funds to equip an army, fending off a conqueror. Israel would be conquered a lot. Contrary to that, the Make Work Pay Refundable Income Tax Credit could be called an Inverse Usury, more humanely civilizing. The worker who needed the denarius the least could put it to the exchangers. Others could purchase in the market place. Others need basic assistance got some. The arithmetic was survival-friendly. It is not clear if Inverse Usury happened in Israel or not. The equal amount payment method is likely not usual. In Matthew 20:1-16, the Working Class member actually murmurs against the Householder. Fortunately at the time of Christ: There was at least, gun control(?).

Apparently it's in the Bible(?)!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Lands of Many Nations: Not even ready throw turquoise at much of anyone!--following ancient ways of human subjugation!)

 

[DigitalDrifter]

IMO it's the result of seeing your demographics change too quickly, and the native people said "whoa, slow down, you're destroying our culture right in front of our eyes!".

 

[mascale]

There was a Great Recession a few years ago. See, for example, Matthew 25:14-30!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
("Seven Come Eleven," more sensible Great Spirit of All!")

 

[georgephillip]

IMO it's the result of seeing your demographics change too quickly, and the native people said "whoa, slow down, you're destroying our culture right in front of our eyes!".

I agree:

"Now, put that together with substantial flows of immigration--inflows have actually trebled the last ten years, and the bulk of these inflows have come from Eastern Europe within the European Union--and you can see how the poor would be perceiving what has been happening to their country. They go to receive medical services, they're asked to wait for hours in the queue, and a lot of people waiting with them are recent immigrants."

Lapavitsas: The Left Needs to Develop an Alternative Plan for Europe

 

[mascale]

That problem surfaces in North America, too: In government medical facilities. One thing notable is that Mexico does have Seguro Social, and not just for Old people.
Were there more universal availability for medical services--the single payer concept--then in North America the problem might not be so pronounced.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Great Spirit NAFTA, made Kentucky Bourbon, intellectual property, at least(?)! Not much room for negotiation left!)

 

[tigerred59]

More likely these were the Sanders voters of UK. Leaving the Eurozone actually costs the "Leave" voters a bundle. A promise of the "Leave" campaign was to put the Euro funding money to social and health benefits uses directly in the UK. Possibly Brussels had to better understand where the Eurozone needed to spend more money.

That is more of Social Democracy, Sanders voter type of redistribution campaign. Lincoln freed the slaves in the USA, but provided no remedy for the economic subjugation, of the ancient arithmetic even commencing with the Moses Atrocity in Deuteronomy 23:19-20. The affluent were getting the money from somewhere, using the investment and usury arithmetic. Usury itself likely started out beneficial--spreading around food technology, 5000 years ago. Arithmetic happened, so Code of Hammurabi allowed for a primitive Socialist solution--selling the wife and kids in slavery, to therein be fed, clothed, housed, and put to productive civilization. There was no precise computing of the number or health of the wife in kids in the Law. There was no precise computing of the amount of indebtedness. There is likely a three-year indentured term.

Mostly anyone can surmise a caring response to an arithmetic problem, likely not much known about at the time.

Jesus exposes the Moses Atrocity in Matthew 25:14-30. The servant with the one talent cannot possibly keep up with the other two, with more talents. Usury is shown to be arithmetic, with an outcome. The Pythagorean Theorem can even be applied. In Matthew 20:1-16, an equal amount remedy is presented, noting that the remedy is not usual arithmetic--"You have made them equal unto us, who have borne the heat and slime of the day," or some such wording--probably not put in English, in the original presentation(?). That would be said, "God's Plan," since there is no such thing.

But see where London and Brussels went wrong! Obama-Biden-Pelosi-Reid created the "Make Work Pay Refundable Income Tax Credit," just like in Matthew 20:1-16, regardless if the tax filer had worked all the year or not. The Republicans took the Christian remedy away, which is possibly of Greek invention, at any rate. Anyone can create a rectangle with basis in Matthew 20:1-16. The equal amount are little dots from the left side to the right side, all perpendicular to both. A diagonal from the lower left to the upper right presents an ancient arithmetic.

Mohammed, Adam Smith, Karl Marx, Keynes, and everyone else makes not notice of the arithmetic. Keynes was gay, and that math of usury now famously runs the place: "For he bade the people bend over, and await the Public Works(?)!"

Lots of little Brexits, may now happen--even as Sanders proceeds to the Democratic National Convention.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Lands of Many Nations can apply to become consultants, if new treaties are required(?)!)

What they failed to mention, was that Euro money, spent ions ago. They never thought in a trillion years they'd win.

 

[georgephillip]

John Pilger: Why the British Said No to Europe
A Vote for Peace?
"In the week of the referendum vote, no British politician and, to my knowledge, no journalist referred to Vladimir Putin's speech in St. Petersburg commemorating the seventy-fifth anniversary of Nazi Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union on 22 June, 1941.

"The Soviet victory - at a cost of 27 million Soviet lives and the majority of all German forces - won the Second World War.

"Putin likened the current frenzied build up of Nato troops and war material on Russia's western borders to the Third Reich's Operation Barbarossa.

"Nato's exercises in Poland were the biggest since the Nazi invasion; Operation Anaconda had simulated an attack on Russia, presumably with nuclear weapons.

"On the eve of the referendum, the quisling secretary-general of Nato, Jens Stoltenberg, warned Britons they would be endangering 'peace and security' if they voted to leave the EU.

"The millions who ignored him and Cameron, Osborne, Corbyn, Obama and the man who runs the Bank of England may, just may, have struck a blow for real peace and democracy in Europe."

 

[mascale]

Were you following the arithmetic sentiments noticed, then what Moses proposed in Deut. 23:19-20, could have been a simple fund-raising mechanism--charging interest to richer nations, to provide increase of wealth for Israel. Israel could have charged conquerors interest, for fund-raising activities. The times were primitive, so Imperial Administration was more normal. Enslaving worked everywhere. No basis concept of inverse usury, income redistribution appears. The Old Soviet Bloc had the same problem. Had they been into inverse usury, they could have created a favorable investment climate, charged interest to the richer capitalist nations, and built up a solid supportive population--even with improved housing. Mainly Communist Party top people improved their housing, taking over czarist dachas. Everything else fell down. Every so often the Soviet Union would provide raises, nationwide: Fixed Percentage based. The Shah of Iran did the same. Israel does the same. The U. S. Social Security System does the same. Interest and stocks clearly do the same.

Nothing appears about that. Cost-of-Living Adjustments in the U. S. union labor agreements used to be the so-many-pennies per hour equal raises, but those became less common, and now the U. S. labor movement is confined to the prosperous, bureaucrats and teachers, for the most part. They get the fixed percentage raises. California was in a budget crisis. University of California passed and published the budget. Fixed percentage, "Cost-of-living" raises, including for $300,000.00 annual faculty. Public Service has its burdens(?). More and more people need the CBA protections, but more and more people could likely not afford the dues.

Union leaders get percentage wage increases, too. Janitors for Justice does provide equal amount raises, for the hourly. They do not cover more than a few thousand people, in any large urban area.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Great Spirit, "Seven Come Eleven," understands about games!)