BREAKING: White Marine Vet To Be Charged In Death of Jordan Neely

[MAGA Macho Man]

Choking someone to death is not self-defense.

It is if you are others are being threatened by a harmful black lunatic.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Choking someone to death is not self-defense.

Of course it is. Except for white people of course. Neely was out on parole for beating an elderly Asian woman almost to death.

 

[MisterBeale]

Selfdefense is now chargeable?

No, but killing someone is.

If you defend your-self in a bar fight, chances are, you are O.K.

If you break a bottle, and slash the jugular of the person that attacked you? If they are not attacking you with deadly force? You will probably find yourself in a deep load of shit.

 

[MisterBeale]

It is if you are others are being threatened by a harmful black lunatic.

I haven't followed this story closely, my bad.

Did he have a gun or a knife?

 

[WTH_Progs?]

What can I say? Was he right to subdue the jerk and keep him from harming anyone? Yes. Was he right to hold the choke long past when he lost consciousness, stopped struggling and died? No.

Had it not been for 15 worthless idiots standing around videotaping it on their cellphones instead of helping out, Neely might not have died and another good soldier wouldn't be facing trial for trying to help others.

You bet your ass. What a fucking spectacle our society has become. Boy did the Oscars demonstrate what pussified idiots we've become. Smith goes off and not a word, nothing.

As for the soldier, that was clearly bad judgement on his part. He only had to subdue the guy, which he did. Shit even subconscious would work. He fucked up and will have to pay some price.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Choking someone to death is not self-defense.

When they are in the fight fuckem

 

[bigrebnc1775]

No, but killing someone is.

If you defend your-self in a bar fight, chances are, you are O.K.

If you break a bottle, and slash the jugular of the person that attacked you? If they are not attacking you with deadly force? You will probably find yourself in a deep load of shit.

Not when your defending yourself.

 

[Unkotare]

Eyewitness accounts will be crucial in this case. It feels like there are a lot of details as yet undisclosed.

 

[Godboy]

He's White, his fate was sealed. He should be given a medal .

There were others including a black guy who helped restrain his arms. Why haven't they been charged?

Marine Vet To Be Charged In Death of Jordan Neely: Report - Breaking911

According to News 4 New York, the former Marine, who was captured on video holding Jordan Neely in a chokehold on an F train in Manhattan, resulting in Neely’s death, is expected to surrender and face charges as early as Friday. The Manhattan District Attorney’s Office has reportedly made the...

breaking911.com

Thats so fucked up. This shit is going to hurt democrats in the end.

 

[Godboy]

It's because they didn't think he was killing the guy. Just subduing him to keep him from harming people. There were two others helping the fine upstanding White blonde heroic former Marine. Why haven't they been charged?

You know why they arent being charged. Everything boils down to race.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Manhattan DA to charge former Marine in subway chokehold death

A spokesperson for the Manhattan District attorney said that Daniel Penny, the commuter who put Jordan Neely in a fatal chokehold, will be arrested on second-degree manslaughter charges.

www.politico.com

Criminal scum delt with justifiably and as expected New York are such cowards they have given into the terrorist mob and charged him.

Sad day

 

[MisterBeale]

Not when your defending yourself.

Self-Defense Law: Overview - FindLaw

This FindLaw article provides an overview of self-defense laws and the complications that come with them.

www.findlaw.com

Proportional Response​

"Self-defense law requires the response to match the level of the threat in question. In other words, a person can only employ as much force as required to remove the threat. If the threat involves deadly force, the person defending themselves can use deadly force to counteract the threat. If, however, the threat involves only minor force and the person claiming self-defense uses force that could cause grievous bodily harm or death, their claim of self-defense will fail.

Duty to Retreat​

The original laws regarding self-defense required people claiming self-defense to first make an attempt to avoid the violence before using force. This is also known as a “duty to retreat." While most states have removed this rule for instances involving the use of nonlethal force, many states still require that a person make an attempt to escape the situation before applying lethal force. It is important to be familiar with the laws of the local jurisdiction to determine whether this duty is required in a given situation.

Stand Your Ground​

In contrast to the duty to retreat, many states have enacted so-called “stand your ground" laws. These laws remove the duty to retreat and allow for a claim of self-defense even if the person making the claim did nothing to flee from the threat of violence.

Today, this is the more common rule when situations involve nonlethal force. However, states are split on whether the "stand your ground" principle applies to situations that involve lethal force.

For more information, this article delineates which states have "stand your ground" laws, and which states use a different legal standard.

Castle Doctrine​

Even in states that require a person to retreat from the threat of imminent harm before defending themselves, a person can often use deadly force against someone who unlawfully enters their home.

This rule, also known as “the castle doctrine," allows people to defend their homes against intruders through the use of lethal force.

Like most of these rules, the exact result will vary according to the jurisdiction and the specific facts of the case. For some more in-depth information, additional material on the castle doctrine is available online, but when in doubt, it is always a good idea to consult with a local attorney to get answers. . . . "

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I live in a community where that Marine would have been given a medal for being a hero.

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So do I.

They already honor the shit out of the Vets in my small town -- the high school students give them a wonderful party on Veterans Day.

Too bad for that valiant man.

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[bigrebnc1775]

Self-Defense Law: Overview - FindLaw

This FindLaw article provides an overview of self-defense laws and the complications that come with them.

www.findlaw.com

Proportional Response​

"Self-defense law requires the response to match the level of the threat in question. In other words, a person can only employ as much force as required to remove the threat. If the threat involves deadly force, the person defending themselves can use deadly force to counteract the threat. If, however, the threat involves only minor force and the person claiming self-defense uses force that could cause grievous bodily harm or death, their claim of self-defense will fail.

Duty to Retreat​

The original laws regarding self-defense required people claiming self-defense to first make an attempt to avoid the violence before using force. This is also known as a “duty to retreat." While most states have removed this rule for instances involving the use of nonlethal force, many states still require that a person make an attempt to escape the situation before applying lethal force. It is important to be familiar with the laws of the local jurisdiction to determine whether this duty is required in a given situation.

Stand Your Ground​

In contrast to the duty to retreat, many states have enacted so-called “stand your ground" laws. These laws remove the duty to retreat and allow for a claim of self-defense even if the person making the claim did nothing to flee from the threat of violence.

Today, this is the more common rule when situations involve nonlethal force. However, states are split on whether the "stand your ground" principle applies to situations that involve lethal force.

For more information, this article delineates which states have "stand your ground" laws, and which states use a different legal standard.

Castle Doctrine​

Even in states that require a person to retreat from the threat of imminent harm before defending themselves, a person can often use deadly force against someone who unlawfully enters their home.

This rule, also known as “the castle doctrine," allows people to defend their homes against intruders through the use of lethal force.

Like most of these rules, the exact result will vary according to the jurisdiction and the specific facts of the case. For some more in-depth information, additional material on the castle doctrine is available online, but when in doubt, it is always a good idea to consult with a local attorney to get answers. . . . "

You don't let someone go when you have them in a hold because that will get you killed

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

We are going to need some legislation for being a Good Samaritan. Questioning how long he had the headlock is valid. How do we know though? What is the situation? How many people help? We need to figure this out. The Seinfeld final episode proves them right for not helping anyone. And they went to jail.

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If four men had held the scum down and one more called the law..................................

Or if a bunch of them had just politely escorted him off the train.

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[Remodeling Maidiac]

It is too bad that no one stopped him from killing the guy.

Good riddance

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Delete

Why can't I delete my own threads?

 

[Unkotare]

Seems like it shouldn't have been all that difficult to restrain the guy without choking him to death. But then again, if you're not there it's hard to reach any hard conclusions.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

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I wonder if the hero's family has a crowd funding page going.

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[Harpy Eagle]

There were others including a black guy who helped restrain his arms. Why haven't they been charged?

Because they did not choke Neely for 15 minutes.