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Hurt feelings? I noticed you didnāt comment on a single point I raised?I noticed that you did not say anything about a single thing in the report.Indeed, your frantic screeching about āapartheidā is rather embarrassing as you have failed to understand where that phony label came from.Resolution 181 was rejected and never implemented. If it was signed by both sides it would have been a land/border treaty but it was not. I don't know why you keep bringing it up.The Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court did not go into force until 1 July 2002. That is a half-century AFTER Israel's implementation of Self-Determination and the UN Recommendation for a "Jewish State" [Part II ā¢ Boundaries ā¢ Section B ā¢ The Jewish State ā¢ A/RES/181 (II)]...
No matter what this guy says, no matter how he would like to frame it, it is a mistake of fact. There was no crime of "Apartheid" committed because the statute had not even been written yet.
Israel was created as an apartheid state. It was still apartheid when it was outlawed by the UN in 1974, Israel was still apartheid by the Rome Statute in 2002. It is still apartheid today.
Indeed, for those who havenāt seen the ESCWA hit piece yet, the frauds, antisemites and Islamic terrorist misfits who compiled the UN report claiming āapartheidā have an obvious agenda.
ESCWA comprises 18 Arab countries:Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, the State of Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the Sudan, the Syrian Arab Republic, Tunisia, the United Arab Emirates and Yemen.
The ESCWA is something of a roll call of Islamic backwaters including the āState of Pallyālandā
UN chief rejects Richard Falk's ESCWA report accusing Israel of 'apartheid' - UN Watch
U.N. chief AntoniĆ³ Guterres rejected a report published by ECSWA, a Beirut-based agency of the world bodyā ECSWAācomprised entirely of 18 Arab states, which accuses Israel of āapartheid.ā The reportās chief author is Richard Falk, a former U.N. official who was condemned repeatedly by the UK and...unwatch.org
U.N. chief AntoniĆ³ Guterres rejected a report published by ECSWA, a Beirut-based agency of the world bodyā ECSWAācomprised entirely of 18 Arab states, which accuses Israel of āapartheid.ā
The reportās chief author is Richard Falk, a former U.N. official who was condemned repeatedly by the UK and other governments for antisemitism.
In 2011, Falk was also denounced by his own boss, former U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon, for espousing 9/11 conspiracy theories which accused the U.S. government, instead of Al Qaeda, of perpetrating the 9/11 terror attacks.
The new report, said Guterresā spokesman, ādoes not reflect the views of the SecretaryāGeneral.ā
U.S. ambassador Nikki Haley blasted the report, and called on the UN to withdraw it
It was all about sliming the messenger.
All of that was turn-key available to Israel. If the Arab League had NOT invaded, the Arab State would have been quite large. But the Arag League forces took what territory that Israel did not have under control.
COMMENT)You have to remenber that the Arab states did not attack Israel. And that the 1948 war was stopped by a UN Security Council Resolution. Thare were no losers to that war. And, a war by foreign Arab states have absolutely nothing to do with Palestinian land.
(COMMENT)Thare were no losers to that war. And, a war by foreign Arab states have absolutely nothing to do with Palestinian land.
OK, but Israel claims that it won land in a defensive war.An International Armed Conflict has no real winners or losers. You can characterize the outcome in any fashion you wish. But the outside observers have eyes. They can form their own opinion.
What is a peace arrangement?The Arab Palestinians did not accept any peaceful arrangement except for the Oslo Accords
A state does not cease to exist when it is under occupation.But at the end of the day, when did Arab Palestinians become the bearer of supreme authority [actually (not theoretically)] answerable to no other external power] within any part of the territory formerly under the Mandate?
Your invented āState of Palāistanā?A state does not cease to exist when it is under occupation.But at the end of the day, when did Arab Palestinians become the bearer of supreme authority [actually (not theoretically)] answerable to no other external power] within any part of the territory formerly under the Mandate?
An International Armed Conflict has no real winners or losers. You can characterize the outcome in any fashion you wish. But the outside observers have eyes. They can form their own opinion.
(COMMENT)OK, but Israel claims that it won land in a defensive war.
That is a lie.
Israel claims that it won Palestinian land when it won a defensive war with Palestine's neighboring Arab states."Lie" is a very poor choice of words. It should be an objective and educated perspective that should be considered.
Indeed, how can Palestine consistently lose land in someone else's war.The Arab-Palestinians have an outsider's perspective since they were not a party to the conflict...
Losing?Global mobilization launched for UN investigation of Israeli apartheid
A letter signed by 452 civil society groups worldwide launched a global campaign calling on the UN to assume its responsibility for investigating and eradicating Israeli apartheid, as it did with apartheid in Southern Africabdsmovement.net
In a letter released yesterday, 452 civil society groups ā unions, movements, political parties and organizations ā from tens of countries around the world called on the United Nations General Assembly and its Member States, currently meeting in New York, to investigate Israeli apartheid and to impose targeted sanctions to stop Israeli apartheid and illegal annexation of Palestinian land.
The letter marks the launch of a global public campaign calling on the UN to assume its responsibility for the investigation and eradication of Israelās apartheid regime, similar to the role it had played in ending apartheid in Southern Africa.
The global letter cites āthe mounting recognition of Israelās maintenance of an apartheid regime over the Palestinian people.ā It notes that 47 independent human rights experts within the United Nations stated that the Israeli government plans to illegally annex large parts of the occupied West Bank would constitute āa vision of a 21st-century apartheid.ā
Blah, blah, blah.
Why do you want to encourage the Palestinians to keep starting fights they keep losing? How many of them are you willing to see die, to destroy Israel?
Well, its lies get bigger and bigger.Losing?Global mobilization launched for UN investigation of Israeli apartheid
A letter signed by 452 civil society groups worldwide launched a global campaign calling on the UN to assume its responsibility for investigating and eradicating Israeli apartheid, as it did with apartheid in Southern Africabdsmovement.net
In a letter released yesterday, 452 civil society groups ā unions, movements, political parties and organizations ā from tens of countries around the world called on the United Nations General Assembly and its Member States, currently meeting in New York, to investigate Israeli apartheid and to impose targeted sanctions to stop Israeli apartheid and illegal annexation of Palestinian land.
The letter marks the launch of a global public campaign calling on the UN to assume its responsibility for the investigation and eradication of Israelās apartheid regime, similar to the role it had played in ending apartheid in Southern Africa.
The global letter cites āthe mounting recognition of Israelās maintenance of an apartheid regime over the Palestinian people.ā It notes that 47 independent human rights experts within the United Nations stated that the Israeli government plans to illegally annex large parts of the occupied West Bank would constitute āa vision of a 21st-century apartheid.ā
Blah, blah, blah.
Why do you want to encourage the Palestinians to keep starting fights they keep losing? How many of them are you willing to see die, to destroy Israel?
Israel keeps getting bigger and bigger.
I noticed that you did not say anything about a single thing in the report.Indeed, your frantic screeching about āapartheidā is rather embarrassing as you have failed to understand where that phony label came from.Resolution 181 was rejected and never implemented. If it was signed by both sides it would have been a land/border treaty but it was not. I don't know why you keep bringing it up.The Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court did not go into force until 1 July 2002. That is a half-century AFTER Israel's implementation of Self-Determination and the UN Recommendation for a "Jewish State" [Part II ā¢ Boundaries ā¢ Section B ā¢ The Jewish State ā¢ A/RES/181 (II)]...
No matter what this guy says, no matter how he would like to frame it, it is a mistake of fact. There was no crime of "Apartheid" committed because the statute had not even been written yet.
Israel was created as an apartheid state. It was still apartheid when it was outlawed by the UN in 1974, Israel was still apartheid by the Rome Statute in 2002. It is still apartheid today.
Indeed, for those who havenāt seen the ESCWA hit piece yet, the frauds, antisemites and Islamic terrorist misfits who compiled the UN report claiming āapartheidā have an obvious agenda.
ESCWA comprises 18 Arab countries:Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, the State of Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the Sudan, the Syrian Arab Republic, Tunisia, the United Arab Emirates and Yemen.
The ESCWA is something of a roll call of Islamic backwaters including the āState of Pallyālandā
UN chief rejects Richard Falk's ESCWA report accusing Israel of 'apartheid' - UN Watch
U.N. chief AntoniĆ³ Guterres rejected a report published by ECSWA, a Beirut-based agency of the world bodyā ECSWAācomprised entirely of 18 Arab states, which accuses Israel of āapartheid.ā The reportās chief author is Richard Falk, a former U.N. official who was condemned repeatedly by the UK and...unwatch.org
U.N. chief AntoniĆ³ Guterres rejected a report published by ECSWA, a Beirut-based agency of the world bodyā ECSWAācomprised entirely of 18 Arab states, which accuses Israel of āapartheid.ā
The reportās chief author is Richard Falk, a former U.N. official who was condemned repeatedly by the UK and other governments for antisemitism.
In 2011, Falk was also denounced by his own boss, former U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon, for espousing 9/11 conspiracy theories which accused the U.S. government, instead of Al Qaeda, of perpetrating the 9/11 terror attacks.
The new report, said Guterresā spokesman, ādoes not reflect the views of the SecretaryāGeneral.ā
U.S. ambassador Nikki Haley blasted the report, and called on the UN to withdraw it
It was all about sliming the messenger.
(COMMENT)"Lie" is a very poor choice of words. It should be an objective and educated perspective that should be considered.
(COMMENT)Israel claims that it won Palestinian land when it won a defensive war with Palestine's neighboring Arab states.
(COMMENT)Lie is accurate. In face lies would be more accurate because there are several.
1) None of those Arab states attacked Israel.
(COMMENT)2) The war was called by a UN Security Council armistice resolution. Nobody won that war.
[/quote]3) Winning Palestinians land in a war with its neighbors is a unique legal concept. I don't see anything legal here.
Well, its lies get bigger and bigger.Losing?Global mobilization launched for UN investigation of Israeli apartheid
A letter signed by 452 civil society groups worldwide launched a global campaign calling on the UN to assume its responsibility for investigating and eradicating Israeli apartheid, as it did with apartheid in Southern Africabdsmovement.net
In a letter released yesterday, 452 civil society groups ā unions, movements, political parties and organizations ā from tens of countries around the world called on the United Nations General Assembly and its Member States, currently meeting in New York, to investigate Israeli apartheid and to impose targeted sanctions to stop Israeli apartheid and illegal annexation of Palestinian land.
The letter marks the launch of a global public campaign calling on the UN to assume its responsibility for the investigation and eradication of Israelās apartheid regime, similar to the role it had played in ending apartheid in Southern Africa.
The global letter cites āthe mounting recognition of Israelās maintenance of an apartheid regime over the Palestinian people.ā It notes that 47 independent human rights experts within the United Nations stated that the Israeli government plans to illegally annex large parts of the occupied West Bank would constitute āa vision of a 21st-century apartheid.ā
Blah, blah, blah.
Why do you want to encourage the Palestinians to keep starting fights they keep losing? How many of them are you willing to see die, to destroy Israel?
Israel keeps getting bigger and bigger.
So you are back to the Palestinians have no rights canard.My opposing view is thatyou believe that by the time the Armistice was put in place, the Arab Palestinians had more territorial control then they did before the 1948 conflict started.