Breaking: NBC News Reporting Ted Cruz Became U.S. "Naturalized" Citizen In 2014 (Not Natural-Born)

[Steve_McGarrett]

But there is a document where Cruz didn't revoke his Canadian birthright/natural born citizenship until May of 2014. So, you know, lawyers can do the math..

And that has what to do with his American citizenship?

I know frankly dozens of Americans who were born with dual American and other citizenship- including one friend who was born with American and Canadian citizenship.

He is a natural born American AND Canadian citizen.

Nope. He's a statutory Citizen at best.

'statutory' citizen is a Birther created term.

The Constitution only notes two kinds of citizens- natural born- and naturalized.

Nope. Cruz was/is a naturalized citizen by statute. He was never naturally born.

Except earlier in the same act, Sec 301 (a) (7) we see:
SEC. 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: ...
(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of w'hom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States ' or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less ' than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age " of fourteen years: Provided^ That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States by such citizen parent may be included in computing the physical presence requirements " of this paragraph.
Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952

Sec 320, which you cite, only applies when Sec 301 does not. If the citizen parent meets the residency requirement (which Cruz's mother did), then the child is born a U.S. citizen and not naturalized.

The child is born a citizen by statute but not born an Article 2 Section 1 natural born Citizen.

 

[MarcATL]

Good enough for Oblamer, good enough for Cruz.

Even better than Cruz or McCain. Obama actually was born in the states.

So was Obama's mom. American citizen. Didn't seem to stop the frigging birthers from their campaign. They STILL exists actually.

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[Syriusly]

Good enough for Oblamer, good enough for Cruz.

Even better than Cruz or McCain. Obama actually was born in the states.

So was Obama's mom. American citizen. Didn't seem to stop the frigging birthers from their campaign. They STILL exists actually.

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Both Stevie the Racist and Trump are big Obama Birthers.

It is not hard to tell who Stevie finds ineligible- any candidate that doesn't pass his Aryan Brotherhood requirements is ineligible in his mind.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Sil, your document means nothing. His mom was a citizen at the time of birth.

So if a boy's father was a citizen, like a soldier on shore leave, when the boy was born say in Russia, and the mother is Russian, then the boy can be president too if he also sneaks into the US (like Cruz did) and only renounces his Russian citizenship two years before he runs for POTUS?

There will be a lot of war babies born abroad who will be thrilled to know they can run for president too, once the legal precedent is confirmed. Of course, that completely negates the intent of the original rule "natural born" because it was created to keep any potential for sedition or treason from foreign influences to the lowest level possible in POTUS. In law, this one especially from a national security standpoint, original intent is everything. This is one part of the Constitution that will be found...like September this year....to NOT be a "living breathing evolving document".

So if a boy's father was a citizen, like a soldier on shore leave, when the boy was born say in Russia, and the mother is Russian, then the boy can be president too if he also sneaks into the US (like Cruz did) and only renounces his Russian citizenship two years before he runs for POTUS?


Is that what the law states? If not, your example is old and tired.
You should post from the actual law to back your claim.

Or whine some more?

 

[Silhouette]

So if a boy's father was a citizen, like a soldier on shore leave, when the boy was born say in Russia, and the mother is Russian, then the boy can be president too if he also sneaks into the US (like Cruz did) and only renounces his Russian citizenship two years before he runs for POTUS?

Is that what the law states? If not, your example is old and tired.
You should post from the actual law to back your claim.

Or whine some more?

If a mother who has US citizenship is living abroad and has a child on that foreign soil, then it's just as legal for a father with US citizenship to spawn a child on foreign soil and for that child also to be "natural born". So says the 14th Amendment which can neither discriminate against gender nor country of origin. And don't forget, the child could also maintain that foreign citizenship for 40 years + and still be eligible to run for POTUS. That's if the Court gives a complete pass to the original intent of the "natural born" requirement...which was to minimize any foreign allegiance in a president of this country.

That's one original law that the Court will not be interpreting through a progressive lens because of the national security implications and the 14th Amendment not allowing playing favorites. I'm not the only one saying Cruz is cooked in this regard. A bevy of ranking constitutional legal scholars and experts agree with me.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So if a boy's father was a citizen, like a soldier on shore leave, when the boy was born say in Russia, and the mother is Russian, then the boy can be president too if he also sneaks into the US (like Cruz did) and only renounces his Russian citizenship two years before he runs for POTUS?

Is that what the law states? If not, your example is old and tired.
You should post from the actual law to back your claim.

Or whine some more?

If a mother who has US citizenship is living abroad and has a child on that foreign soil, then it's just as legal for a father with US citizenship to spawn a child on foreign soil and for that child also to be "natural born". So says the 14th Amendment which can neither discriminate against gender nor country of origin. And don't forget, the child could also maintain that foreign citizenship for 40 years + and still be eligible to run for POTUS. That's if the Court gives a complete pass to the original intent of the "natural born" requirement...which was to minimize any foreign allegiance in a president of this country.

That's one original law that the Court will not be interpreting through a progressive lens because of the national security implications and the 14th Amendment not allowing playing favorites. I'm not the only one saying Cruz is cooked in this regard. A bevy of ranking constitutional legal scholars and experts agree with me.

Is that what the law states? If not, your example is old and tired.
You should post from the actual law to back your claim.

I'm not the only one saying Cruz is cooked in this regard.

You are not alone in your idiocy.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know, I find it funny that the very things that the GOP accused the Democrats of in 2012 (not a US citizen, pulling dirty tricks in the election process), are the very same problems that they have brought against themselves.

The GOP should learn that Karma isn't something to trifle with.

 

[sarahgop]

Stick a fork in Ted, he's done. A naturalized Citizen (Bestowed by man made law) can never be made into a natural born Citizen (Bestowed by God/ natural Law).

Law professor challenges Cruz on citizenship, candidacy

In any case Cruz will never be the nominee. His desire to be an American Ayatollah will get him 42% at most against hillary. He will not get a single dem or IND to vote for him.

 

[Silhouette]

You know, I find it funny that the very things that the GOP accused the Democrats of in 2012 (not a US citizen, pulling dirty tricks in the election process), are the very same problems that they have brought against themselves.

The GOP should learn that Karma isn't something to trifle with.

And the most alarming thing about what you just said is the left-media's COMPLETE SILENCE about it ....for now....

 

[pinqy]

Sil, your document means nothing. His mom was a citizen at the time of birth.

So if a boy's father was a citizen, like a soldier on shore leave, when the boy was born say in Russia, and the mother is Russian, then the boy can be president too if he also sneaks into the US (like Cruz did) and only renounces his Russian citizenship two years before he runs for POTUS?

No. Have you never read the Constitution?


Article 2 Section 1
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

 

[pinqy]

And that has what to do with his American citizenship?

I know frankly dozens of Americans who were born with dual American and other citizenship- including one friend who was born with American and Canadian citizenship.

He is a natural born American AND Canadian citizen.

Nope. He's a statutory Citizen at best.

'statutory' citizen is a Birther created term.

The Constitution only notes two kinds of citizens- natural born- and naturalized.

Nope. Cruz was/is a naturalized citizen by statute. He was never naturally born.

Except earlier in the same act, Sec 301 (a) (7) we see:
SEC. 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: ...
(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of w'hom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States ' or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less ' than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age " of fourteen years: Provided^ That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States by such citizen parent may be included in computing the physical presence requirements " of this paragraph.
Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952

Sec 320, which you cite, only applies when Sec 301 does not. If the citizen parent meets the residency requirement (which Cruz's mother did), then the child is born a U.S. citizen and not naturalized.

The child is born a citizen by statute but not born an Article 2 Section 1 natural born Citizen.

Article 2 does not define natural born citizen and "by statute" has never been a distinction under U.S. law. The question is whether or not someone had citizenship by birth at the time of his birth.

Someone who was not born a citizen but through legislation had citizenship retroactively given for birth would not be a natural born citizen.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know, I find it funny that the very things that the GOP accused the Democrats of in 2012 (not a US citizen, pulling dirty tricks in the election process), are the very same problems that they have brought against themselves.

The GOP should learn that Karma isn't something to trifle with.

And the most alarming thing about what you just said is the left-media's COMPLETE SILENCE about it ....for now....

Actually, Rachel Maddow covered this quite a bit when it first broke. However, after it was determined that Cruz is eligible to run for president since his mother was an American citizen when he was born. Any child born abroad to American parents is considered to be a natural born American citizen.

She quit reporting on it when she figured out it was a non issue.

 

[kaz]

Stick a fork in Ted, he's done. A naturalized Citizen (Bestowed by man made law) can never be made into a natural born Citizen (Bestowed by God/ natural Law).

Law professor challenges Cruz on citizenship, candidacy

Can't beat him at the ballot, so you still have to keep pounding the canard a guy who's mother was American isn't natural born, ay, monkey man?

 

[Silhouette]

Stick a fork in Ted, he's done. A naturalized Citizen (Bestowed by man made law) can never be made into a natural born Citizen (Bestowed by God/ natural Law).

Law professor challenges Cruz on citizenship, candidacy

Can't beat him at the ballot, so you still have to keep pounding the canard a guy who's mother was American isn't natural born, ay, monkey man?

Well to be fair, there are these documents which prove Cruz was a birthright-Canadian who felt for some reason he had to legally-renounce that in 2014. Someone nudged him and said "hey bro, you know that Alberta birth certificate might come back to bite you in the butt.." And it has. He is ineligible.

 

[Syriusly]

Stick a fork in Ted, he's done. A naturalized Citizen (Bestowed by man made law) can never be made into a natural born Citizen (Bestowed by God/ natural Law).

Law professor challenges Cruz on citizenship, candidacy

Can't beat him at the ballot, so you still have to keep pounding the canard a guy who's mother was American isn't natural born, ay, monkey man?

Well to be fair, there are these documents which prove Cruz was a birthright-Canadian who felt for some reason he had to legally-renounce that in 2014. Someone nudged him and said "hey bro, you know that Alberta birth certificate might come back to bite you in the butt.." And it has. He is ineligible.

Not according to the two judges who have looked at the issue

 

[Silhouette]

Not according to the two judges who have looked at the issue

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Well as you know, a lower court judge's word, ESPECIALLY upon such a crucial item and question of law involving national security at its root will have to get a thumbs up or down from the Highest Court. Look for that thumbs down in September....roughly...

 

[Syriusly]

Not according to the two judges who have looked at the issue

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Well as you know, a lower court judge's word, ESPECIALLY upon such a crucial item and question of law involving national security at its root will have to get a thumbs up or down from the Highest Court. Look for that thumbs down in September....roughly...

You said Cruz was not eligible.
2 judges have said that he is eligible.

When you say Cruz is not eligible you are being directly contradicted by two judges- who unlike you- actually understand the law.

 

[kaz]

Stick a fork in Ted, he's done. A naturalized Citizen (Bestowed by man made law) can never be made into a natural born Citizen (Bestowed by God/ natural Law).

Law professor challenges Cruz on citizenship, candidacy

Can't beat him at the ballot, so you still have to keep pounding the canard a guy who's mother was American isn't natural born, ay, monkey man?

Well to be fair, there are these documents which prove Cruz was a birthright-Canadian who felt for some reason he had to legally-renounce that in 2014. Someone nudged him and said "hey bro, you know that Alberta birth certificate might come back to bite you in the butt.." And it has. He is ineligible.

The US allows dual citizenship, so that's irrelevant

 

[Skylar]

Good enough for Oblamer, good enough for Cruz.

Obama actually was born in the states.

That can't be determined since a lengthy investigation by the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office found the birth document released on April 27, 2011 to be 100% fraudulent.

Show us the official police report of Maricopa County Sheriff's office then.

Its been.......half a decade now? What's your excuse this month for why there's still nothing?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Because fart boy is a liar?

Show us the report, Steve.