BREAKING: Amazon is kicking Parler off AWS, its web hosting service, which will take them offline until it finds a new host

[freyasman]

The thing about a huge sudden new improvement in human communication is that it turns out what people really want to talk about is how much they hate each other and want to kill each other. This is normal. At least, maybe some of you don't like that, but -- yeah, it's totally normal for the human species.

The human species having evolved a brain have decided killing each other isn't such a good idea. And our democracy has decided that it is not going to be overthrown without a fight.

Our Democracy is all about freedom of speech. Even speech you don't like.

Which side is attacking that?

Sorry, i agree that this insurgency needs to be shut down, if it isn't too late. It is an authoritarian movement and I don't care how you prettify it with words like freedom and patriotism. At its heart, it wants to take over, with violence, the rule of our government by installing a man who lost the election.

They're not playin, and neither are we.

Your side can scream like a 15 year old that has had his phone taken away for a month, but it doesn't matter. Call me any name you want, say any damned fool thing you can think of about China and Stalin. We've been warning you for 4 years that Trump is an authoritarian and everyone said 'pshaw, YOU are.'

Toldja.

I don't believe I'm screaming. Just disagreeing.

And I sure don't believe I have called you any names.

You justify taking away rights from someone without due process, tell me again how that is "democracy"

This is a an attempt to stop an authoritarian takeover of this country. There is nothing democratic about it. If you don't like how our democracy is being run, you become politically active, lobby, vote. The right had four years and this year it lost. Time to work on making things different the way we do it in this country, not the way they do it in Zaire.

In other words; "How dare you object to our authoritarian takeover!!!!"




Also you;
"Oh, and btw, you only get to oppose us in the way we tell you it's okay to do so; no coming up with your own ideas and implementing them without our prior approval, okay?"

Yeah, it's called civilization.

No it isn't.

 

[bripat9643]

They told us to "build our own facebook/twitter" if we didn't' like their rules. So we did, now they changed the goalposts and said "build your own everything."

We didn't tell you to use it to plan an insurgency.

Repeating this 10,000 times won't make it true, dumbfuck.

 

[freyasman]

You're right everyone on parler is not posting illegal activity and Apple gave them the chance to moderate and clean things up and they didn't.

The POINT of Parler is free speech without censorship, which is what you mean by moderation. I'm okay with free speech --- even if by Muslims, BLMs, antifa's ----- and Trumpists. I'd draw the line at live-streaming crimes, but not much more.

Consider, people: the really important thing about free speech is that then you know what people are actually thinking. We haven't had much free speech for too long, and so all the polls are worthless: people won't say what they think under the oppressive conditions we have been suffering. So then no one knows what people think and things like the Battle of Capitol Hill come out of nowhere, seemingly.

That is a good point.

BUT - the insurrection and attack on Capital Hill did not seemingly come out of nowhere. It was all out there. Security anticipated it and knew about it. Everyone was anticipating and worrying about violence. The ball got dropped either accidentally or deliberately somewhere starting right from traffic control.

Yet the police still let them in.

Many times.

The Capitol police were hopelessly outnumbered. A good number of them were inside protecting the lives of the Congress people and those guarding the outside were facing how many? I don't know what makes you pretend the police invited them in willingly. They didn't.

You not seen videos of them moving barricades to let them in then opening the door for them?

Maybe because I saw it and read up on it not using pre approved sources.

Link it.

Google it. It's been discussed to death in here and repetitive threads shut down.

No. Link it or shut up.

Nahhh.... no one is going to shut up.

Fuck you cvnt.

totally uncalled for.

We disagree and I am going to simply move on where I can have a respectful concersation. if not here I'll move on, not escalate.

Do what you like.


I don't like that cvnt and I wish she'd get her taser mixed up with her vibrator. She is a nasty unAmerican, freedom hating bitch and I'm tired of her shit.

Fuck her.

Put me on ignore, looney.

Nahhh..... calling you a lying cvnt (which you are) every time I come across you is more fun.

A man's gotta take his free speech where he can get it nowadays, lol.

 

[bripat9643]

I see several issues...

Amazon is a private company so it can do what it likes, for one.

Are they and these other tech giants preventing people from setting up new host sites? Everything is so intertwined these days.

Should anyone be forced to host entities calling for/promoting insurgency and political overthrow in the name of free speech? Parler, apparently removed Lin Wood's posts calling for Pence to be executed. Good? Bad? When stuff like that gains enough of a following to push people to act, like we saw this past week, and we have a President openly supporting it...what then?

Blaming Trump Parlor or Trump for the riots is the work of leftwing propagandists.

No one is fooled by this. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump creates a hosting service after his term ends.

 

[OldLady]

You're right everyone on parler is not posting illegal activity and Apple gave them the chance to moderate and clean things up and they didn't.

The POINT of Parler is free speech without censorship, which is what you mean by moderation. I'm okay with free speech --- even if by Muslims, BLMs, antifa's ----- and Trumpists. I'd draw the line at live-streaming crimes, but not much more.

Consider, people: the really important thing about free speech is that then you know what people are actually thinking. We haven't had much free speech for too long, and so all the polls are worthless: people won't say what they think under the oppressive conditions we have been suffering. So then no one knows what people think and things like the Battle of Capitol Hill come out of nowhere, seemingly.

That is a good point.

BUT - the insurrection and attack on Capital Hill did not seemingly come out of nowhere. It was all out there. Security anticipated it and knew about it. Everyone was anticipating and worrying about violence. The ball got dropped either accidentally or deliberately somewhere starting right from traffic control.

Yet the police still let them in.

Many times.

The Capitol police were hopelessly outnumbered. A good number of them were inside protecting the lives of the Congress people and those guarding the outside were facing how many? I don't know what makes you pretend the police invited them in willingly. They didn't.

You not seen videos of them moving barricades to let them in then opening the door for them?

Maybe because I saw it and read up on it not using pre approved sources.

Link it.

Google it. It's been discussed to death in here and repetitive threads shut down.

No. Link it or shut up.

seriously?

I have never at any time been rude to you.

Peace out.

Ice, my frustration at some of the others here boiled over. Sorry.

 

[Coyote]

Folks, this discussion is in Politics, let's try to stick to the general topic and not turn this into a flame fest. The word filter is there for a reason - don't try to go around it (and no, it's not up to us it was done by the site owners).

 

[Crepitus]

Let's see here -- does a poster believe in the liberal principle of free speech or are they a jack booted fascist who thinks only their own rigid ideology should ever see the light of day?

I see plenty of leftists in this forum who do not believe in this liberal principle, and I imagine most of the conservatives would balk at the notion that their support of free speech is a liberal ideal.

We live in a truly Orwellian world, folks.

Why don't you explain what the phrase "free speech" means.

 

[Crepitus]

They told us to "build our own facebook/twitter" if we didn't' like their rules. So we did, now they changed the goalposts and said "build your own everything."

We didn't tell you to use it to plan an insurgency.

Repeating this 10,000 times won't make it true, dumbfuck.

It needs no repetition at all to be true. It's a fact. Unlike RWNJ alternative facts it's doesn't require repetition.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

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Blaming Trump Parlor or Trump for the riots is the work of leftwing propagandists.

No one is fooled by this. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump creates a hosting service after his term ends.

If their dishonest tripe had any merit, then Colin Kaepernick must be responsible for countless cop killings and billions in property damage.

The thing is, these pukes KNOW they are being unprincipled hypocrites, and they simply don't care. They don't care because all that matters to them is their extreme agenda.

 

[Concerned American]

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Yep, the purge is real.

They told us to "build our own facebook/twitter" if we didn't' like their rules. So we did, now they changed the goalposts and said "build your own everything."

Next they'll prevent us from using the fiber-optic cables.

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Best response to these commies--boycott Amazon, Google, Apple, FB and Twitter. These platforms have gotten so big that they believe they ARE the government. They tested it with the Arab spring and Obama/Clinton and it worked there--well, we are seeing live and in person now. BOYCOTT HIGH TECH. If just the people who voted for Trump boycotted these outfits for a week, it might just get their attention.

 

[LoneLaugher]

They told us to "build our own facebook/twitter" if we didn't' like their rules. So we did, now they changed the goalposts and said "build your own everything."

Who's they?

Deepstate. Establishment. They aren't saying, "build your own everything"! They are saying, "you build it and we'll tear it right down!"

Prove a connection between AWS and any government official who conspired to shut down Parler.

Deep state.......my ass.

 

[Concerned American]

They told us to "build our own facebook/twitter" if we didn't' like their rules. So we did, now they changed the goalposts and said "build your own everything."

We didn't tell you to use it to plan an insurgency.

Repeating this 10,000 times won't make it true, dumbfuck.

It needs no repetition at all to be true. It's a fact. Unlike RWNJ alternative facts it's doesn't require repetition.

 

[Crepitus]

They told us to "build our own facebook/twitter" if we didn't' like their rules. So we did, now they changed the goalposts and said "build your own everything."

We didn't tell you to use it to plan an insurgency.

Repeating this 10,000 times won't make it true, dumbfuck.

It needs no repetition at all to be true. It's a fact. Unlike RWNJ alternative facts it's doesn't require repetition.

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You've been watching OANN again, haven't you.

 

[Dana7360]

I guess since you lived in Russia you don't understand that business and government aren't the same thing here in the United States.

Amazon isn't the government. So the government doesn't have anything to do with what Amazon has done.

There is, of course, a difference, but the trend is common, for example, when the elections of governors were canceled in Russia, Putin said that it was for the sake of fighting terrorism. When they started regulating the Internet and banned some sites like Linkedin, they used similar reasons terrorism, pedophiles, personal data protection.

Amazon probably did it to not be held responsible for allowing parler to be on their platform with all the treason, terrorism and conspiring to overthrow our legally elected government and kill our Vice President.

I thought that this decision should be made by the court, and not just a private company.

If you live here in America you need to understand that private business isn't the government.

Formally, the same is true in Russia, but they "quite accidentally" follow the Kremlin's agenda.

You still don't understand.

Amazon isn't the government.

No it's not for a court only to decide. A court only gets involved if one of the parties files a lawsuit because of the dispute.

The TOS rules are quite clear. The consequences for violating their rules are also quite clear.

parler agreed to those rules then violated them for a very long time. Amazon had enough of it and enforced their rules. They have that right. They own the platform. They aren't the government.

Stop thinking like a communist. Yes communism is an economy without private ownership. The government and business are one and the same thing.

America isn't a communist economy. We are a hybrid of capitalism and socialism.

Just because a private business kicked a group off a platform that the private business owner owned because that group violated the rules that group agreed to follow doesn't make the actions of that private business some sort of conspiracy for canceling any election.

Get a grip and stop spreading such ridiculous conspiracy lies.

 

[bripat9643]

They told us to "build our own facebook/twitter" if we didn't' like their rules. So we did, now they changed the goalposts and said "build your own everything."

Who's they?

Deepstate. Establishment. They aren't saying, "build your own everything"! They are saying, "you build it and we'll tear it right down!"

Prove a connection between AWS and any government official who conspired to shut down Parler.

Deep state.......my ass.

You believe Amazon doesn't have contact with government officials? Are you serious?

 

[bripat9643]

I guess since you lived in Russia you don't understand that business and government aren't the same thing here in the United States.

Amazon isn't the government. So the government doesn't have anything to do with what Amazon has done.

There is, of course, a difference, but the trend is common, for example, when the elections of governors were canceled in Russia, Putin said that it was for the sake of fighting terrorism. When they started regulating the Internet and banned some sites like Linkedin, they used similar reasons terrorism, pedophiles, personal data protection.

Amazon probably did it to not be held responsible for allowing parler to be on their platform with all the treason, terrorism and conspiring to overthrow our legally elected government and kill our Vice President.

I thought that this decision should be made by the court, and not just a private company.

If you live here in America you need to understand that private business isn't the government.

Formally, the same is true in Russia, but they "quite accidentally" follow the Kremlin's agenda.

You still don't understand.

Amazon isn't the government.

No it's not for a court only to decide. A court only gets involved if one of the parties files a lawsuit because of the dispute.

The TOS rules are quite clear. The consequences for violating their rules are also quite clear.

parler agreed to those rules then violated them for a very long time. Amazon had enough of it and enforced their rules. They have that right. They own the platform. They aren't the government.

Stop thinking like a communist. Yes communism is an economy without private ownership. The government and business are one and the same thing.

America isn't a communist economy. We are a hybrid of capitalism and socialism.

Just because a private business kicked a group off a platform that the private business owner owned because that group violated the rules that group agreed to follow doesn't make the actions of that private business some sort of conspiracy for canceling any election.

Get a grip and stop spreading such ridiculous conspiracy lies.

The TOS is bullshit. Amazon changes them almost daily. Furthermore, Google/Amazon doesn't even follow them.

You're the communist who defends censorship by government protected monopolies.

 

[Circe]

oesn't have contact with government officials? Are you serious?

Agreed. This unholy alliance of the Big Three is connected with high levels of government -------- incoming government, anyway. The fact that there are serious antitrust issues here is just one proof of that, to me.

 

[jehanne1431]

OH, that's so bold of you Amazon, take that moral stand for us all. This has become a newer version of the "Me, too" movement.

 

[Dana7360]

I could go on but I think you get the point. Or maybe not.

Yes, I understand your point of view and in a sense I share it, a private company has its own rules, but when this company is a monopoly on the market, its position can carry a "hidden threat". Because tomorrow the company may decide that everyone who likes Rap is a terrorist and the company will delete the accounts of the “terrorists”.

Amazon doesn't have a monopoly on the internet.

Anyone can set up their own website and servers.

I can see you don't understand what capitalism/private ownership is.

Nor do you understand what a monopoly is.

You seem to believe all business is a monopoly solely owned by the government.

You seem to believe America is a communist nation.

We aren't.

 

[Foreigner Looking In.]

Yep, the purge is real.

They told us to "build our own facebook/twitter" if we didn't' like their rules. So we did, now they changed the goalposts and said "build your own everything."

Next they'll prevent us from using the fiber-optic cables.

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The thread premise is a lie – there is no ‘purge.’

‘“AWS provides technology and services to customers across the political spectrum, and we continue to respect Parler’s right to determine for itself what content it will allow on its site,” the Amazon notice to Parler said in part. “However, we cannot provide services to a customer that is unable to effectively identify and remove content that encourages or incites violence against others. Because Parler cannot comply with our terms of service and poses a very real risk to public safety, we plan to suspend Parler’s account effective Sunday, January 10th, at 11:59 PM PST.”’

Amazon to Suspend Hosting Services for Parler, Saying App ‘Poses a Very Real Risk to Public Safety’

Far-right social network Parler is set to go dark after Amazon's AWS said it's pulling the plug on the service's internet hosting account.

variety.com

The service was discontinued because Parler violated the terms of service, no goalposts were moved.

Which terms did they violate and how?