BREAKING: Amazon is kicking Parler off AWS, its web hosting service, which will take them offline until it finds a new host

[iceberg]

I guess since you lived in Russia you don't understand that business and government aren't the same thing here in the United States.

Amazon isn't the government. So the government doesn't have anything to do with what Amazon has done.

There is, of course, a difference, but the trend is common, for example, when the elections of governors were canceled in Russia, Putin said that it was for the sake of fighting terrorism. When they started regulating the Internet and banned some sites like Linkedin, they used similar reasons terrorism, pedophiles, personal data protection.

Amazon probably did it to not be held responsible for allowing parler to be on their platform with all the treason, terrorism and conspiring to overthrow our legally elected government and kill our Vice President.

I thought that this decision should be made by the court, and not just a private company.

If you live here in America you need to understand that private business isn't the government.

Formally, the same is true in Russia, but they "quite accidentally" follow the Kremlin's agenda.

This is what I told Coyote that a court or our legal system determines who is acting inappropriately. Not "private" companies.

She of course disagreed.

Weird thing to say. So private property owners can't determine who is and isn't allowed or who does or does not violate their rules.

I mentioned this before and I will again.

If I decide to strip and dance naked on the tables at my local Eat'n'Park, the owners would not be allowed to have me escorted off the premises or make the determination that I was acting inappropriately.

If someone was vandalizing my property, I would not be allowed to show them a gun and tell them to get off the premises.

If a restaurant has a sign saying "no shirt, no shoes, no service" they would not be allowed to make the determination that my shirtless shoeless self will not be served and will be asked to leave.

I could go on but I think you get the point. Or maybe not.

It's a fair argument in general, but your Eat'n'Park isn't setting itself up as the only entertainment site in the whole world. There are, in fact, strip joints that compete with, well, your performance (!! Are we really having this conversation?? ) so people who want that sort of thing, hopefully not many, can go -------- oh, never mind the logic, the thing is, Facebook and Twitter did set up as free speech sites, then radically took that back and now the Big Tech companies have banned together to suppress any alternative to their much-censored sites! Darn, that doesn't work, not for me and I bet for a lot of people. I think that free speech will find a way. And that Facebook and Twitter are endangering their corporate existence.

But this is where I think you need to separate the issues.

Private companies have every right to set their own rules for conduct.

IF, in fact, there is evidence that competition is being deliberately squashed or they are banding together to eliminate it, then it needs to be seriously investigated under anti-trust laws. In fact, I so think we have been seriously lax on enforcing anti-trust laws for decades now.


...oh and I promise I won't dance nekkid on USMB to test the theory

Unless they don't want to bake a cake.

Hypocrites.

 

[Circe]

At its heart, it wants to take over, with violence, the rule of our government by installing a man who lost the election.

Both sides say exactly that. I know, I've heard them.

They're not playin, and neither are we.

Oh, I think they're still playing, so to speak. The flags, the singing, the colorful costumes, the old guys out there having heart attacks, that was one fun protest march. The guys inside with the zip ties? Not so much playing. There is potential here, no question.

It's the potential the Establishment is worried about. Did you hear about "Blue Jacket man"? He was inside the Capitol, the story is going. He said to an interviewer, "When the people are afraid of the government, that's tyranny. When the government is afraid of the people, that's freedom. Now they're afraid of us. Good."

 

[jknowgood]

There is no purge.

What's going on is that ALL free people and organizations are CONDEMNING the atrocious events of Wednesday, January 6th, 2021 at our nation's Capital.

All those weeping, wailing and caterwauling over this are on the WRONG side of history.

Not to mention you WILL be rooted out of decent society.

Lol, and you will be stuck with blm and antifa. Good luck.

 

[Circe]

IF, in fact, there is evidence that competition is being deliberately squashed or they are banding together to eliminate it, then it needs to be seriously investigated under anti-trust laws.

That was my very first thought this morning when I read that Amazon had banded together with Apple and Google to kill Parler! Isn't there an anti-trust issue here?? Darn.

 

[Viacheslav]

I could go on but I think you get the point. Or maybe not.

Yes, I understand your point of view and in a sense I share it, a private company has its own rules, but when this company is a monopoly on the market, its position can carry a "hidden threat". Because tomorrow the company may decide that everyone who likes Rap is a terrorist and the company will delete the accounts of the “terrorists”.

 

[OldLady]

The thing about a huge sudden new improvement in human communication is that it turns out what people really want to talk about is how much they hate each other and want to kill each other. This is normal. At least, maybe some of you don't like that, but -- yeah, it's totally normal for the human species.

The human species having evolved a brain have decided killing each other isn't such a good idea. And our democracy has decided that it is not going to be overthrown without a fight.

Our Democracy is all about freedom of speech. Even speech you don't like.

Which side is attacking that?

Sorry, i agree that this insurgency needs to be shut down, if it isn't too late. It is an authoritarian movement and I don't care how you prettify it with words like freedom and patriotism. At its heart, it wants to take over, with violence, the rule of our government by installing a man who lost the election.

They're not playin, and neither are we.

Your side can scream like a 15 year old that has had his phone taken away for a month, but it doesn't matter. Call me any name you want, say any damned fool thing you can think of about China and Stalin. We've been warning you for 4 years that Trump is an authoritarian and everyone said 'pshaw, YOU are.'

Toldja.

I don't believe I'm screaming. Just disagreeing.

And I sure don't believe I have called you any names.

You justify taking away rights from someone without due process, tell me again how that is "democracy"

This is a an attempt to stop an authoritarian takeover of this country. There is nothing democratic about it. If you don't like how our democracy is being run, you become politically active, lobby, vote. The right had four years and this year it lost. Time to work on making things different the way we do it in this country, not the way they do it in Zaire.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Ma Bell was a private company too. They could close down telephone service of those they didn't like. Railroads were private companies. Blacks and Indians couldn't buy a ticket.

They aren't private companies any more. The tech companies are arms of the democrat communists for now. They have permission to enforce tyranny.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The thing about a huge sudden new improvement in human communication is that it turns out what people really want to talk about is how much they hate each other and want to kill each other. This is normal. At least, maybe some of you don't like that, but -- yeah, it's totally normal for the human species.

The human species having evolved a brain have decided killing each other isn't such a good idea. And our democracy has decided that it is not going to be overthrown without a fight.

Our Democracy is all about freedom of speech. Even speech you don't like.

Which side is attacking that?

Sorry, i agree that this insurgency needs to be shut down, if it isn't too late. It is an authoritarian movement and I don't care how you prettify it with words like freedom and patriotism. At its heart, it wants to take over, with violence, the rule of our government by installing a man who lost the election.

They're not playin, and neither are we.

Your side can scream like a 15 year old that has had his phone taken away for a month, but it doesn't matter. Call me any name you want, say any damned fool thing you can think of about China and Stalin. We've been warning you for 4 years that Trump is an authoritarian and everyone said 'pshaw, YOU are.'

Toldja.

I don't believe I'm screaming. Just disagreeing.

And I sure don't believe I have called you any names.

You justify taking away rights from someone without due process, tell me again how that is "democracy"

This is a an attempt to stop an authoritarian takeover of this country. There is nothing democratic about it. If you don't like how our democracy is being run, you become politically active, lobby, vote. The right had four years and this year it lost. Time to work on making things different the way we do it in this country, not the way they do it in Zaire.

This country is now a tyranny. There is nothing democratic about it because the vote is gone.

 

[Circe]

Unless they don't want to bake a cake.

You are so right.

This is the stuff that worries me most.

 

[OldLady]

You're right everyone on parler is not posting illegal activity and Apple gave them the chance to moderate and clean things up and they didn't.

The POINT of Parler is free speech without censorship, which is what you mean by moderation. I'm okay with free speech --- even if by Muslims, BLMs, antifa's ----- and Trumpists. I'd draw the line at live-streaming crimes, but not much more.

Consider, people: the really important thing about free speech is that then you know what people are actually thinking. We haven't had much free speech for too long, and so all the polls are worthless: people won't say what they think under the oppressive conditions we have been suffering. So then no one knows what people think and things like the Battle of Capitol Hill come out of nowhere, seemingly.

That is a good point.

BUT - the insurrection and attack on Capital Hill did not seemingly come out of nowhere. It was all out there. Security anticipated it and knew about it. Everyone was anticipating and worrying about violence. The ball got dropped either accidentally or deliberately somewhere starting right from traffic control.

Yet the police still let them in.

Many times.

The Capitol police were hopelessly outnumbered. A good number of them were inside protecting the lives of the Congress people and those guarding the outside were facing how many? I don't know what makes you pretend the police invited them in willingly. They didn't.

You not seen videos of them moving barricades to let them in then opening the door for them?

Maybe because I saw it and read up on it not using pre approved sources.

Link it.

 

[iceberg]

The thing about a huge sudden new improvement in human communication is that it turns out what people really want to talk about is how much they hate each other and want to kill each other. This is normal. At least, maybe some of you don't like that, but -- yeah, it's totally normal for the human species.

The human species having evolved a brain have decided killing each other isn't such a good idea. And our democracy has decided that it is not going to be overthrown without a fight.

Our Democracy is all about freedom of speech. Even speech you don't like.

Which side is attacking that?

Sorry, i agree that this insurgency needs to be shut down, if it isn't too late. It is an authoritarian movement and I don't care how you prettify it with words like freedom and patriotism. At its heart, it wants to take over, with violence, the rule of our government by installing a man who lost the election.

They're not playin, and neither are we.

Your side can scream like a 15 year old that has had his phone taken away for a month, but it doesn't matter. Call me any name you want, say any damned fool thing you can think of about China and Stalin. We've been warning you for 4 years that Trump is an authoritarian and everyone said 'pshaw, YOU are.'

Toldja.

I don't believe I'm screaming. Just disagreeing.

And I sure don't believe I have called you any names.

You justify taking away rights from someone without due process, tell me again how that is "democracy"

This is a an attempt to stop an authoritarian takeover of this country. There is nothing democratic about it. If you don't like how our democracy is being run, you become politically active, lobby, vote. The right had four years and this year it lost. Time to work on making things different the way we do it in this country, not the way they do it in Zaire.

It's people frustrated the left keeps telling them to shut up.

 

[iceberg]

You're right everyone on parler is not posting illegal activity and Apple gave them the chance to moderate and clean things up and they didn't.

The POINT of Parler is free speech without censorship, which is what you mean by moderation. I'm okay with free speech --- even if by Muslims, BLMs, antifa's ----- and Trumpists. I'd draw the line at live-streaming crimes, but not much more.

Consider, people: the really important thing about free speech is that then you know what people are actually thinking. We haven't had much free speech for too long, and so all the polls are worthless: people won't say what they think under the oppressive conditions we have been suffering. So then no one knows what people think and things like the Battle of Capitol Hill come out of nowhere, seemingly.

That is a good point.

BUT - the insurrection and attack on Capital Hill did not seemingly come out of nowhere. It was all out there. Security anticipated it and knew about it. Everyone was anticipating and worrying about violence. The ball got dropped either accidentally or deliberately somewhere starting right from traffic control.

Yet the police still let them in.

Many times.

The Capitol police were hopelessly outnumbered. A good number of them were inside protecting the lives of the Congress people and those guarding the outside were facing how many? I don't know what makes you pretend the police invited them in willingly. They didn't.

You not seen videos of them moving barricades to let them in then opening the door for them?

Maybe because I saw it and read up on it not using pre approved sources.

Link it.

Google it. It's been discussed to death in here and repetitive threads shut down.

 

[Circe]

If you don't like how our democracy is being run, you become politically active, lobby, vote.

We are TRYING to do exactly that! But they are banning and censoring us on Facebook and Twitter and banding together to destroy any other site that might house free speech!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Including what happened at the capitol, imagine if the shoe were on the other foot with all these events.
Oh my, at the level of hypocrisy.

In June there was 5 days of rioting and St.Johns church was burned. Is there really a comparison to pushing some furniture around?

 

[iceberg]

Unless they don't want to bake a cake.

You are so right.

This is the stuff that worries me most.

They want both sides. Call them on their own rules the emotional parade of excuses starts.

 

[iceberg]

Including what happened at the capitol, imagine if the shoe were on the other foot with all these events.
Oh my, at the level of hypocrisy.

In June there was 5 days of rioting and St.Johns church was burned. Is there really a comparison to pushing some furniture around?

If you need there to be.

 

[Circe]

Complain as much as you want, it's still their front porch.

Okay. So Facebook can limit itself to grandchildren photo-posting, and Twitter to sports conversation.

Now: what about a site where people can actually say what they want to say? Are you up with the Big Three, Apple, Google, and Amazon, destroying Parler, and any other free speech site they can root out, like 4chan and reddit?

 

[d0gbreath]

Trying to do them a favor, but they're too fucking dense to see it as that.

When you organize your revolution on social media, you are broadcasting your plans to every law enforcement agency in the alphabet soup.

 

[OldLady]

At its heart, it wants to take over, with violence, the rule of our government by installing a man who lost the election.

Both sides say exactly that. I know, I've heard them.

They're not playin, and neither are we.

Oh, I think they're still playing, so to speak. The flags, the singing, the colorful costumes, the old guys out there having heart attacks, that was one fun protest march. The guys inside with the zip ties? Not so much playing. There is potential here, no question.

It's the potential the Establishment is worried about. Did you hear about "Blue Jacket man"? He was inside the Capitol, the story is going. He said to an interviewer, "When the people are afraid of the government, that's tyranny. When the government is afraid of the people, that's freedom. Now they're afraid of us. Good."

Yes, it's the potential, and it's real.

 

[Foreigner Looking In.]

If I say "Hmmm, that election looked shady"
They'll unperson me.

They won’t. But perhaps if you say “hmm, the election looked shady, let’s hang Mike Pence for not overturning it” they’ll probably not want you posting.

Oh, and since when is personhood dependent on social media? You losers need to get a life.

FB and Twiter have said that they will permaban anyone who says the vote was rigged.
They're now banning Trump merch stores and digitally removing Trump from Home Alone.
Enjoy your, dystopian, Chinese dictatorship. Thank God I don't live there.