Boycott Israel

[Challenger]

Why do the Palestinians single out Israel and target it for BDS?

Israel is the only country occupying Palestine.

Duh!

Um. The argument isn't against the Palestinians boycotting Israel. Its the international community boycotting Israel. This may come as somewhat of a shock to you -- but even if you believe the "occupation" bullshit -- Israel is NOT the only country occupying a territory.

If occupation is the criteria for boycott, then the international community should be boycotting Iran, Turkey, Morocco, Russia, Armenia, and Ethiopia. And those are just the obvious ones. There are more.

So, the international community CAN NOT support only boycotts against Israel and still claim to be applying criteria equally. Hence the accusation of antisemitism.

People who want to boycott Iran, Turkey, Morocco, Russia, Armenia, and Ethiopia are welcome to do so as and when those territories occupied ask the world to boycott those countries and set up a movement to do so. BDS is about opposing the ongoing brutal occupiation of Palestine by Zionist Israel.

 

[Challenger]

It was the Arab Higher Committee Delegation acting on behave of the Arabs of Palestine, that refused to recognize the Balfour Declaration, the Mandate of Palestine or any situation arising or derived therefrom.

Why should they recognise a European "stitch up" that only benefited Great Britain anf France after both countries had brutaly suppressed the right self determination of the peoples of that region?

The Arab Higher Committee Delegation acting on behave of the Arabs of Palestine, interpreted the creation of any Jewish State in an Arab territory as an act of invasion and aggression. It is an act of wiping out the existence of an Arab country, violating, its integrity, subjecting its land and people to foreign Jewish domination.“

That's exactly what it was.

The Arab Palestinians declared independence before negotiating a treaty with the Israelis.

The Zionists declared independance before negotiating a treaty with the Arabs, what's your point?

 

[Challenger]

The Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic passed the Title and Rights to the Allied Powers; Article 16 of the Treaty of Lausanne. The Allied Powers were a signatory to the Treaty, thus accepting the terms of the Treaty.

No it didn't.

"Article 16: Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned."

Interestingly it states "...parties concerned" and not "...high contracting parties concerned". Given the concept behind the mandate system was established under Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, entered into on 28 June 1919, and the treaty itself signed within that framework on July 24, 1923, it can equally be interpreted that the native peoples themselves are the "parties concerned" to settle the future of these territories perhaps with the help of the allied powers. Nowhere does it state that all rights and title goes to the Allied powers themselves.

 

[Phoenall]

Ali Abunimah: NY Governor Blacklists BDS to Defend Israeli Apartheid

Who should know better than someone who actually lived in South Africa?
.

Is Israel an apartheid state? | Opinion

I'd sooner believe Bishop Desmond Tutu, rather than a Zionist apologist.

The Rev. Hedding would disagree with Tutu. He happened to be a young minister in South Africa who fought Apartheid himself so he certainly is in a position to compare what happened there and what is happening in Israel.

Israel and the Charge of Apartheid

Hedding is a Christian Zionist and apologist for Zionist Israel, associated with organisations such "Christian Action for Israel" and the "International Christian Embassy Jerusalem" so no surprise his "opinion" has been crafted by the Hasbara machine.

And rat boy just proves again that he is losing the argument by making his usual hasbara claims

 

[Phoenall]

It was the Arab Higher Committee Delegation acting on behave of the Arabs of Palestine, that refused to recognize the Balfour Declaration, the Mandate of Palestine or any situation arising or derived therefrom.

Why should they recognise a European "stitch up" that only benefited Great Britain anf France after both countries had brutaly suppressed the right self determination of the peoples of that region?

The Arab Higher Committee Delegation acting on behave of the Arabs of Palestine, interpreted the creation of any Jewish State in an Arab territory as an act of invasion and aggression. It is an act of wiping out the existence of an Arab country, violating, its integrity, subjecting its land and people to foreign Jewish domination.“

That's exactly what it was.

The Arab Palestinians declared independence before negotiating a treaty with the Israelis.

The Zionists declared independance before negotiating a treaty with the Arabs, what's your point?

Were did it say that the Jews of palestine had to negotiate a treaty with the arab muslims then ?

 

[Phoenall]

The Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic passed the Title and Rights to the Allied Powers; Article 16 of the Treaty of Lausanne. The Allied Powers were a signatory to the Treaty, thus accepting the terms of the Treaty.

No it didn't.

"Article 16: Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned."

Interestingly it states "...parties concerned" and not "...high contracting parties concerned". Given the concept behind the mandate system was established under Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, entered into on 28 June 1919, and the treaty itself signed within that framework on July 24, 1923, it can equally be interpreted that the native peoples themselves are the "parties concerned" to settle the future of these territories perhaps with the help of the allied powers. Nowhere does it state that all rights and title goes to the Allied powers themselves.

And niether mentions palestine or the palestinians do they. So what is your point, that only you can see the invisible words in the treaties because only you have the magical abilioty to do so ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

]P F Tinmore, et al,

You are just so full of crap.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Is this your circular logic coming back.

P F Tinmore, Hossfly, Challenger, et al,

Do you hear yourself?

The Palestinians had the right to oppose that.

They still have the right to oppose that.

(COMMENT)

Of course the Arab Palestinians have the right to oppose anything they want. And they must accept the consequences and outcomes. This too is part of the "Right of Self-Determination."

HOWEVER, the Arab Palestinians cannot stop, interfere or use force to prevent the Israelis from using their "Right of Self-Determination."

There was no requirement that both must make an acceptance. The Jewish Provisional Government accepted their option and the Arab Higher Committee rejected their option.

Most Respectfully,
R

HOWEVER, the Arab Palestinians cannot stop, interfere or use force to prevent the Israelis from using their "Right of Self-Determination."​

On the flipside, Israel cannot interfere in the rights of the Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

Going around in circles does not address the question. The Jewish Provisional Government acted in accordance with the UN Recommendations. The fact that the Arab League made a failed attempt to take be force the territory, and withhold the establishment of the Jewish National Home set the conditions for certain outcomes. These outcomes had certain consequences that the Arab Palestinians are just going to have to live with.

I'm not sure if the Jewish State of Israel has to do anything at all; assuming the Arab Palestinians continue to set the conditions for eace talks.

Most Respectfully,
R

The fact that the Arab League made a failed attempt to take be force the territory,​

It is not "the territory," it is Palestine. Using the term "the territory" is purposefully misleading.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians get this wrong intentionally so that over time, people forget that "Palestine" (with hard boundaries) was defined by the Allied Powers; formally accepted in 1924.

Prior to the Treaty of Sevres, the term Palestine was nothing more than a Regional Name that extended across parts of several political sub-divisions of the Ottoman Empire. Those sub-divisions included the Independent Sanjuk of Jerusalem, the Sanjuk of Baaqa, Sanjuk of Acre, and the Sanjuk of Beriut (which made-up half of the Vilayet of Beriut, --- plus portions of the souther Vilayet of Syria.

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.

In 1922, the Order in Council (League of Nations) designated that "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." ("Palestine" was a short title for the Territory under the Mandate.)

On May 15, 1923, Britain formally recognized the Emirate of Transjordan as a state under the leadership of Emir Abdullah. The Anglo-Trans-Jordan Treaty stipulated that Transjordan would be prepared for independence under the general supervision of the British high commissioner in Jerusalem, and recognized Emir Abdullah as head of state. In May 1925, the Aqaba and Ma’an districts of the Hijaz became part of Transjordan.

By 1988 the UN system designated the Palestine Liberation Organization as "Palestine" in A/RES/43/177 wherein it said: "the designation "Palestine" should be used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" in the United Nations system.

However, in 2012 (A/RES/67/19), when the UN "Reaffirmed the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967." Notice, that the State of Palestine is equated to the territory occupied since 1967.

As you can see, the extent to which the territory was modified was considerable between the time of the Armistice of Mudros and when the transfer of territory from the sovereign Kingdom of the Hijaz was accomplished.

REBUTTAL: I could not agree more, the way you use the term "Palestine" is (sometime intentionally) misleading. I try to keep the terms in context to their meaning or designation.

I realize that what we can write here in this discussion could never compare to the 4 volumes, 2,500 pages, including 1 map box that contain all the details. But in no case, was there a Political Subdivision at anytime in the 20th Century known as "Palestine." Nor did the "Palestinian People have either "Title or Rights" to any sovereign territory.

Most Respectfully,
R​

The Arab Palestinians get this wrong intentionally so that over time, people forget that "Palestine" (with hard boundaries) was defined by the Allied Powers; formally accepted in 1924.​

Indeed, as were all the new states in the ME.

Do you have a point?

 

[P F Tinmore]

]P F Tinmore, et al,

You are just so full of crap.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Is this your circular logic coming back.

P F Tinmore, Hossfly, Challenger, et al,

Do you hear yourself?

The Palestinians had the right to oppose that.

They still have the right to oppose that.

(COMMENT)

Of course the Arab Palestinians have the right to oppose anything they want. And they must accept the consequences and outcomes. This too is part of the "Right of Self-Determination."

HOWEVER, the Arab Palestinians cannot stop, interfere or use force to prevent the Israelis from using their "Right of Self-Determination."

There was no requirement that both must make an acceptance. The Jewish Provisional Government accepted their option and the Arab Higher Committee rejected their option.

Most Respectfully,
R

HOWEVER, the Arab Palestinians cannot stop, interfere or use force to prevent the Israelis from using their "Right of Self-Determination."​

On the flipside, Israel cannot interfere in the rights of the Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

Going around in circles does not address the question. The Jewish Provisional Government acted in accordance with the UN Recommendations. The fact that the Arab League made a failed attempt to take be force the territory, and withhold the establishment of the Jewish National Home set the conditions for certain outcomes. These outcomes had certain consequences that the Arab Palestinians are just going to have to live with.

I'm not sure if the Jewish State of Israel has to do anything at all; assuming the Arab Palestinians continue to set the conditions for eace talks.

Most Respectfully,
R

The fact that the Arab League made a failed attempt to take be force the territory,​

It is not "the territory," it is Palestine. Using the term "the territory" is purposefully misleading.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians get this wrong intentionally so that over time, people forget that "Palestine" (with hard boundaries) was defined by the Allied Powers; formally accepted in 1924.

Prior to the Treaty of Sevres, the term Palestine was nothing more than a Regional Name that extended across parts of several political sub-divisions of the Ottoman Empire. Those sub-divisions included the Independent Sanjuk of Jerusalem, the Sanjuk of Baaqa, Sanjuk of Acre, and the Sanjuk of Beriut (which made-up half of the Vilayet of Beriut, --- plus portions of the souther Vilayet of Syria.

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.

In 1922, the Order in Council (League of Nations) designated that "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." ("Palestine" was a short title for the Territory under the Mandate.)

On May 15, 1923, Britain formally recognized the Emirate of Transjordan as a state under the leadership of Emir Abdullah. The Anglo-Trans-Jordan Treaty stipulated that Transjordan would be prepared for independence under the general supervision of the British high commissioner in Jerusalem, and recognized Emir Abdullah as head of state. In May 1925, the Aqaba and Ma’an districts of the Hijaz became part of Transjordan.

By 1988 the UN system designated the Palestine Liberation Organization as "Palestine" in A/RES/43/177 wherein it said: "the designation "Palestine" should be used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" in the United Nations system.

However, in 2012 (A/RES/67/19), when the UN "Reaffirmed the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967." Notice, that the State of Palestine is equated to the territory occupied since 1967.

As you can see, the extent to which the territory was modified was considerable between the time of the Armistice of Mudros and when the transfer of territory from the sovereign Kingdom of the Hijaz was accomplished.

REBUTTAL: I could not agree more, the way you use the term "Palestine" is (sometime intentionally) misleading. I try to keep the terms in context to their meaning or designation.

I realize that what we can write here in this discussion could never compare to the 4 volumes, 2,500 pages, including 1 map box that contain all the details. But in no case, was there a Political Subdivision at anytime in the 20th Century known as "Palestine." Nor did the "Palestinian People have either "Title or Rights" to any sovereign territory.

Most Respectfully,
R​

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.​

Indeed.

 

[Hossfly]

]P F Tinmore, et al,

You are just so full of crap.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Is this your circular logic coming back.

P F Tinmore, Hossfly, Challenger, et al,

Do you hear yourself?

(COMMENT)

Of course the Arab Palestinians have the right to oppose anything they want. And they must accept the consequences and outcomes. This too is part of the "Right of Self-Determination."

HOWEVER, the Arab Palestinians cannot stop, interfere or use force to prevent the Israelis from using their "Right of Self-Determination."

There was no requirement that both must make an acceptance. The Jewish Provisional Government accepted their option and the Arab Higher Committee rejected their option.

Most Respectfully,
R

HOWEVER, the Arab Palestinians cannot stop, interfere or use force to prevent the Israelis from using their "Right of Self-Determination."​

On the flipside, Israel cannot interfere in the rights of the Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

Going around in circles does not address the question. The Jewish Provisional Government acted in accordance with the UN Recommendations. The fact that the Arab League made a failed attempt to take be force the territory, and withhold the establishment of the Jewish National Home set the conditions for certain outcomes. These outcomes had certain consequences that the Arab Palestinians are just going to have to live with.

I'm not sure if the Jewish State of Israel has to do anything at all; assuming the Arab Palestinians continue to set the conditions for eace talks.

Most Respectfully,
R

The fact that the Arab League made a failed attempt to take be force the territory,​

It is not "the territory," it is Palestine. Using the term "the territory" is purposefully misleading.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians get this wrong intentionally so that over time, people forget that "Palestine" (with hard boundaries) was defined by the Allied Powers; formally accepted in 1924.

Prior to the Treaty of Sevres, the term Palestine was nothing more than a Regional Name that extended across parts of several political sub-divisions of the Ottoman Empire. Those sub-divisions included the Independent Sanjuk of Jerusalem, the Sanjuk of Baaqa, Sanjuk of Acre, and the Sanjuk of Beriut (which made-up half of the Vilayet of Beriut, --- plus portions of the souther Vilayet of Syria.

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.

In 1922, the Order in Council (League of Nations) designated that "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." ("Palestine" was a short title for the Territory under the Mandate.)

On May 15, 1923, Britain formally recognized the Emirate of Transjordan as a state under the leadership of Emir Abdullah. The Anglo-Trans-Jordan Treaty stipulated that Transjordan would be prepared for independence under the general supervision of the British high commissioner in Jerusalem, and recognized Emir Abdullah as head of state. In May 1925, the Aqaba and Ma’an districts of the Hijaz became part of Transjordan.

By 1988 the UN system designated the Palestine Liberation Organization as "Palestine" in A/RES/43/177 wherein it said: "the designation "Palestine" should be used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" in the United Nations system.

However, in 2012 (A/RES/67/19), when the UN "Reaffirmed the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967." Notice, that the State of Palestine is equated to the territory occupied since 1967.

As you can see, the extent to which the territory was modified was considerable between the time of the Armistice of Mudros and when the transfer of territory from the sovereign Kingdom of the Hijaz was accomplished.

REBUTTAL: I could not agree more, the way you use the term "Palestine" is (sometime intentionally) misleading. I try to keep the terms in context to their meaning or designation.

I realize that what we can write here in this discussion could never compare to the 4 volumes, 2,500 pages, including 1 map box that contain all the details. But in no case, was there a Political Subdivision at anytime in the 20th Century known as "Palestine." Nor did the "Palestinian People have either "Title or Rights" to any sovereign territory.

Most Respectfully,
R​

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.​

Indeed.

What is the current situation, Tinmore and what do you think will transpire?

 

[Phoenall]

]P F Tinmore, et al,

You are just so full of crap.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Is this your circular logic coming back.

P F Tinmore, Hossfly, Challenger, et al,

Do you hear yourself?

(COMMENT)

Of course the Arab Palestinians have the right to oppose anything they want. And they must accept the consequences and outcomes. This too is part of the "Right of Self-Determination."

HOWEVER, the Arab Palestinians cannot stop, interfere or use force to prevent the Israelis from using their "Right of Self-Determination."

There was no requirement that both must make an acceptance. The Jewish Provisional Government accepted their option and the Arab Higher Committee rejected their option.

Most Respectfully,
R

HOWEVER, the Arab Palestinians cannot stop, interfere or use force to prevent the Israelis from using their "Right of Self-Determination."​

On the flipside, Israel cannot interfere in the rights of the Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

Going around in circles does not address the question. The Jewish Provisional Government acted in accordance with the UN Recommendations. The fact that the Arab League made a failed attempt to take be force the territory, and withhold the establishment of the Jewish National Home set the conditions for certain outcomes. These outcomes had certain consequences that the Arab Palestinians are just going to have to live with.

I'm not sure if the Jewish State of Israel has to do anything at all; assuming the Arab Palestinians continue to set the conditions for eace talks.

Most Respectfully,
R

The fact that the Arab League made a failed attempt to take be force the territory,​

It is not "the territory," it is Palestine. Using the term "the territory" is purposefully misleading.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians get this wrong intentionally so that over time, people forget that "Palestine" (with hard boundaries) was defined by the Allied Powers; formally accepted in 1924.

Prior to the Treaty of Sevres, the term Palestine was nothing more than a Regional Name that extended across parts of several political sub-divisions of the Ottoman Empire. Those sub-divisions included the Independent Sanjuk of Jerusalem, the Sanjuk of Baaqa, Sanjuk of Acre, and the Sanjuk of Beriut (which made-up half of the Vilayet of Beriut, --- plus portions of the souther Vilayet of Syria.

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.

In 1922, the Order in Council (League of Nations) designated that "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." ("Palestine" was a short title for the Territory under the Mandate.)

On May 15, 1923, Britain formally recognized the Emirate of Transjordan as a state under the leadership of Emir Abdullah. The Anglo-Trans-Jordan Treaty stipulated that Transjordan would be prepared for independence under the general supervision of the British high commissioner in Jerusalem, and recognized Emir Abdullah as head of state. In May 1925, the Aqaba and Ma’an districts of the Hijaz became part of Transjordan.

By 1988 the UN system designated the Palestine Liberation Organization as "Palestine" in A/RES/43/177 wherein it said: "the designation "Palestine" should be used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" in the United Nations system.

However, in 2012 (A/RES/67/19), when the UN "Reaffirmed the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967." Notice, that the State of Palestine is equated to the territory occupied since 1967.

As you can see, the extent to which the territory was modified was considerable between the time of the Armistice of Mudros and when the transfer of territory from the sovereign Kingdom of the Hijaz was accomplished.

REBUTTAL: I could not agree more, the way you use the term "Palestine" is (sometime intentionally) misleading. I try to keep the terms in context to their meaning or designation.

I realize that what we can write here in this discussion could never compare to the 4 volumes, 2,500 pages, including 1 map box that contain all the details. But in no case, was there a Political Subdivision at anytime in the 20th Century known as "Palestine." Nor did the "Palestinian People have either "Title or Rights" to any sovereign territory.

Most Respectfully,
R​

The Arab Palestinians get this wrong intentionally so that over time, people forget that "Palestine" (with hard boundaries) was defined by the Allied Powers; formally accepted in 1924.​

Indeed, as were all the new states in the ME.

Do you have a point?

Yes that you are LYING again as the allies did not define any nation of palestine boundaries in 1923, they defined the borders of the mandate of palestine and the proposed NATIONal home of the Jews in 1922/1923. All the defined in 1924 was the boundaries of the proposed state of trans jordan.



Why do you have so much difficulty in understanding the words written down by the LoN, even after they have been explained to you hundreds of times

 

[Phoenall]

]P F Tinmore, et al,

You are just so full of crap.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Is this your circular logic coming back.

P F Tinmore, Hossfly, Challenger, et al,

Do you hear yourself?

(COMMENT)

Of course the Arab Palestinians have the right to oppose anything they want. And they must accept the consequences and outcomes. This too is part of the "Right of Self-Determination."

HOWEVER, the Arab Palestinians cannot stop, interfere or use force to prevent the Israelis from using their "Right of Self-Determination."

There was no requirement that both must make an acceptance. The Jewish Provisional Government accepted their option and the Arab Higher Committee rejected their option.

Most Respectfully,
R

HOWEVER, the Arab Palestinians cannot stop, interfere or use force to prevent the Israelis from using their "Right of Self-Determination."​

On the flipside, Israel cannot interfere in the rights of the Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

Going around in circles does not address the question. The Jewish Provisional Government acted in accordance with the UN Recommendations. The fact that the Arab League made a failed attempt to take be force the territory, and withhold the establishment of the Jewish National Home set the conditions for certain outcomes. These outcomes had certain consequences that the Arab Palestinians are just going to have to live with.

I'm not sure if the Jewish State of Israel has to do anything at all; assuming the Arab Palestinians continue to set the conditions for eace talks.

Most Respectfully,
R

The fact that the Arab League made a failed attempt to take be force the territory,​

It is not "the territory," it is Palestine. Using the term "the territory" is purposefully misleading.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians get this wrong intentionally so that over time, people forget that "Palestine" (with hard boundaries) was defined by the Allied Powers; formally accepted in 1924.

Prior to the Treaty of Sevres, the term Palestine was nothing more than a Regional Name that extended across parts of several political sub-divisions of the Ottoman Empire. Those sub-divisions included the Independent Sanjuk of Jerusalem, the Sanjuk of Baaqa, Sanjuk of Acre, and the Sanjuk of Beriut (which made-up half of the Vilayet of Beriut, --- plus portions of the souther Vilayet of Syria.

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.

In 1922, the Order in Council (League of Nations) designated that "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." ("Palestine" was a short title for the Territory under the Mandate.)

On May 15, 1923, Britain formally recognized the Emirate of Transjordan as a state under the leadership of Emir Abdullah. The Anglo-Trans-Jordan Treaty stipulated that Transjordan would be prepared for independence under the general supervision of the British high commissioner in Jerusalem, and recognized Emir Abdullah as head of state. In May 1925, the Aqaba and Ma’an districts of the Hijaz became part of Transjordan.

By 1988 the UN system designated the Palestine Liberation Organization as "Palestine" in A/RES/43/177 wherein it said: "the designation "Palestine" should be used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" in the United Nations system.

However, in 2012 (A/RES/67/19), when the UN "Reaffirmed the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967." Notice, that the State of Palestine is equated to the territory occupied since 1967.

As you can see, the extent to which the territory was modified was considerable between the time of the Armistice of Mudros and when the transfer of territory from the sovereign Kingdom of the Hijaz was accomplished.

REBUTTAL: I could not agree more, the way you use the term "Palestine" is (sometime intentionally) misleading. I try to keep the terms in context to their meaning or designation.

I realize that what we can write here in this discussion could never compare to the 4 volumes, 2,500 pages, including 1 map box that contain all the details. But in no case, was there a Political Subdivision at anytime in the 20th Century known as "Palestine." Nor did the "Palestinian People have either "Title or Rights" to any sovereign territory.

Most Respectfully,
R​

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.​

Indeed.

Which is exactly what they did, they provided exactly what was written on the can. They did not read something that was not there in the charter and gave the land to the arab muslims. They gave less than 1% of the former ottoman empire into trust for the Jews, giving the arab muslims the other 99% plus. If you have a problem with this take it to the ICJ to give a ruling on and see what verdict they bring down

 

[P F Tinmore]

]P F Tinmore, et al,

You are just so full of crap.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Is this your circular logic coming back.

HOWEVER, the Arab Palestinians cannot stop, interfere or use force to prevent the Israelis from using their "Right of Self-Determination."​

On the flipside, Israel cannot interfere in the rights of the Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

Going around in circles does not address the question. The Jewish Provisional Government acted in accordance with the UN Recommendations. The fact that the Arab League made a failed attempt to take be force the territory, and withhold the establishment of the Jewish National Home set the conditions for certain outcomes. These outcomes had certain consequences that the Arab Palestinians are just going to have to live with.

I'm not sure if the Jewish State of Israel has to do anything at all; assuming the Arab Palestinians continue to set the conditions for eace talks.

Most Respectfully,
R

The fact that the Arab League made a failed attempt to take be force the territory,​

It is not "the territory," it is Palestine. Using the term "the territory" is purposefully misleading.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians get this wrong intentionally so that over time, people forget that "Palestine" (with hard boundaries) was defined by the Allied Powers; formally accepted in 1924.

Prior to the Treaty of Sevres, the term Palestine was nothing more than a Regional Name that extended across parts of several political sub-divisions of the Ottoman Empire. Those sub-divisions included the Independent Sanjuk of Jerusalem, the Sanjuk of Baaqa, Sanjuk of Acre, and the Sanjuk of Beriut (which made-up half of the Vilayet of Beriut, --- plus portions of the souther Vilayet of Syria.

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.

In 1922, the Order in Council (League of Nations) designated that "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." ("Palestine" was a short title for the Territory under the Mandate.)

On May 15, 1923, Britain formally recognized the Emirate of Transjordan as a state under the leadership of Emir Abdullah. The Anglo-Trans-Jordan Treaty stipulated that Transjordan would be prepared for independence under the general supervision of the British high commissioner in Jerusalem, and recognized Emir Abdullah as head of state. In May 1925, the Aqaba and Ma’an districts of the Hijaz became part of Transjordan.

By 1988 the UN system designated the Palestine Liberation Organization as "Palestine" in A/RES/43/177 wherein it said: "the designation "Palestine" should be used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" in the United Nations system.

However, in 2012 (A/RES/67/19), when the UN "Reaffirmed the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967." Notice, that the State of Palestine is equated to the territory occupied since 1967.

As you can see, the extent to which the territory was modified was considerable between the time of the Armistice of Mudros and when the transfer of territory from the sovereign Kingdom of the Hijaz was accomplished.

REBUTTAL: I could not agree more, the way you use the term "Palestine" is (sometime intentionally) misleading. I try to keep the terms in context to their meaning or designation.

I realize that what we can write here in this discussion could never compare to the 4 volumes, 2,500 pages, including 1 map box that contain all the details. But in no case, was there a Political Subdivision at anytime in the 20th Century known as "Palestine." Nor did the "Palestinian People have either "Title or Rights" to any sovereign territory.

Most Respectfully,
R​

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.​

Indeed.

What is the current situation, Tinmore and what do you think will transpire?

It's looking pretty good. The Palestinians have a multi faceted world wide plan to promote Palestine and Palestinian rights.

BDS is only one of them.

 

[Hossfly]

]P F Tinmore, et al,

You are just so full of crap.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Is this your circular logic coming back.

(COMMENT)

Going around in circles does not address the question. The Jewish Provisional Government acted in accordance with the UN Recommendations. The fact that the Arab League made a failed attempt to take be force the territory, and withhold the establishment of the Jewish National Home set the conditions for certain outcomes. These outcomes had certain consequences that the Arab Palestinians are just going to have to live with.

I'm not sure if the Jewish State of Israel has to do anything at all; assuming the Arab Palestinians continue to set the conditions for eace talks.

Most Respectfully,
R

The fact that the Arab League made a failed attempt to take be force the territory,​

It is not "the territory," it is Palestine. Using the term "the territory" is purposefully misleading.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians get this wrong intentionally so that over time, people forget that "Palestine" (with hard boundaries) was defined by the Allied Powers; formally accepted in 1924.

Prior to the Treaty of Sevres, the term Palestine was nothing more than a Regional Name that extended across parts of several political sub-divisions of the Ottoman Empire. Those sub-divisions included the Independent Sanjuk of Jerusalem, the Sanjuk of Baaqa, Sanjuk of Acre, and the Sanjuk of Beriut (which made-up half of the Vilayet of Beriut, --- plus portions of the souther Vilayet of Syria.

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.

In 1922, the Order in Council (League of Nations) designated that "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." ("Palestine" was a short title for the Territory under the Mandate.)

On May 15, 1923, Britain formally recognized the Emirate of Transjordan as a state under the leadership of Emir Abdullah. The Anglo-Trans-Jordan Treaty stipulated that Transjordan would be prepared for independence under the general supervision of the British high commissioner in Jerusalem, and recognized Emir Abdullah as head of state. In May 1925, the Aqaba and Ma’an districts of the Hijaz became part of Transjordan.

By 1988 the UN system designated the Palestine Liberation Organization as "Palestine" in A/RES/43/177 wherein it said: "the designation "Palestine" should be used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" in the United Nations system.

However, in 2012 (A/RES/67/19), when the UN "Reaffirmed the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967." Notice, that the State of Palestine is equated to the territory occupied since 1967.

As you can see, the extent to which the territory was modified was considerable between the time of the Armistice of Mudros and when the transfer of territory from the sovereign Kingdom of the Hijaz was accomplished.

REBUTTAL: I could not agree more, the way you use the term "Palestine" is (sometime intentionally) misleading. I try to keep the terms in context to their meaning or designation.

I realize that what we can write here in this discussion could never compare to the 4 volumes, 2,500 pages, including 1 map box that contain all the details. But in no case, was there a Political Subdivision at anytime in the 20th Century known as "Palestine." Nor did the "Palestinian People have either "Title or Rights" to any sovereign territory.

Most Respectfully,
R​

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.​

Indeed.

What is the current situation, Tinmore and what do you think will transpire?

It's looking pretty good. The Palestinians have a multi faceted world wide plan to promote Palestine and Palestinian rights.

BDS is only one of them.

Sounds like you're in the clique to have that information. The question is: Do they have a plan for peace?

 

[Phoenall]

]P F Tinmore, et al,

You are just so full of crap.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Is this your circular logic coming back.

(COMMENT)

Going around in circles does not address the question. The Jewish Provisional Government acted in accordance with the UN Recommendations. The fact that the Arab League made a failed attempt to take be force the territory, and withhold the establishment of the Jewish National Home set the conditions for certain outcomes. These outcomes had certain consequences that the Arab Palestinians are just going to have to live with.

I'm not sure if the Jewish State of Israel has to do anything at all; assuming the Arab Palestinians continue to set the conditions for eace talks.

Most Respectfully,
R

The fact that the Arab League made a failed attempt to take be force the territory,​

It is not "the territory," it is Palestine. Using the term "the territory" is purposefully misleading.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians get this wrong intentionally so that over time, people forget that "Palestine" (with hard boundaries) was defined by the Allied Powers; formally accepted in 1924.

Prior to the Treaty of Sevres, the term Palestine was nothing more than a Regional Name that extended across parts of several political sub-divisions of the Ottoman Empire. Those sub-divisions included the Independent Sanjuk of Jerusalem, the Sanjuk of Baaqa, Sanjuk of Acre, and the Sanjuk of Beriut (which made-up half of the Vilayet of Beriut, --- plus portions of the souther Vilayet of Syria.

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.

In 1922, the Order in Council (League of Nations) designated that "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." ("Palestine" was a short title for the Territory under the Mandate.)

On May 15, 1923, Britain formally recognized the Emirate of Transjordan as a state under the leadership of Emir Abdullah. The Anglo-Trans-Jordan Treaty stipulated that Transjordan would be prepared for independence under the general supervision of the British high commissioner in Jerusalem, and recognized Emir Abdullah as head of state. In May 1925, the Aqaba and Ma’an districts of the Hijaz became part of Transjordan.

By 1988 the UN system designated the Palestine Liberation Organization as "Palestine" in A/RES/43/177 wherein it said: "the designation "Palestine" should be used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" in the United Nations system.

However, in 2012 (A/RES/67/19), when the UN "Reaffirmed the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967." Notice, that the State of Palestine is equated to the territory occupied since 1967.

As you can see, the extent to which the territory was modified was considerable between the time of the Armistice of Mudros and when the transfer of territory from the sovereign Kingdom of the Hijaz was accomplished.

REBUTTAL: I could not agree more, the way you use the term "Palestine" is (sometime intentionally) misleading. I try to keep the terms in context to their meaning or designation.

I realize that what we can write here in this discussion could never compare to the 4 volumes, 2,500 pages, including 1 map box that contain all the details. But in no case, was there a Political Subdivision at anytime in the 20th Century known as "Palestine." Nor did the "Palestinian People have either "Title or Rights" to any sovereign territory.

Most Respectfully,
R​

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.​

Indeed.

What is the current situation, Tinmore and what do you think will transpire?

It's looking pretty good. The Palestinians have a multi faceted world wide plan to promote Palestine and Palestinian rights.

BDS is only one of them.

So why are the palestinians banning BDS in palestine ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

]P F Tinmore, et al,

You are just so full of crap.

The fact that the Arab League made a failed attempt to take be force the territory,​

It is not "the territory," it is Palestine. Using the term "the territory" is purposefully misleading.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians get this wrong intentionally so that over time, people forget that "Palestine" (with hard boundaries) was defined by the Allied Powers; formally accepted in 1924.

Prior to the Treaty of Sevres, the term Palestine was nothing more than a Regional Name that extended across parts of several political sub-divisions of the Ottoman Empire. Those sub-divisions included the Independent Sanjuk of Jerusalem, the Sanjuk of Baaqa, Sanjuk of Acre, and the Sanjuk of Beriut (which made-up half of the Vilayet of Beriut, --- plus portions of the souther Vilayet of Syria.

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.

In 1922, the Order in Council (League of Nations) designated that "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." ("Palestine" was a short title for the Territory under the Mandate.)

On May 15, 1923, Britain formally recognized the Emirate of Transjordan as a state under the leadership of Emir Abdullah. The Anglo-Trans-Jordan Treaty stipulated that Transjordan would be prepared for independence under the general supervision of the British high commissioner in Jerusalem, and recognized Emir Abdullah as head of state. In May 1925, the Aqaba and Ma’an districts of the Hijaz became part of Transjordan.

By 1988 the UN system designated the Palestine Liberation Organization as "Palestine" in A/RES/43/177 wherein it said: "the designation "Palestine" should be used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" in the United Nations system.

However, in 2012 (A/RES/67/19), when the UN "Reaffirmed the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967." Notice, that the State of Palestine is equated to the territory occupied since 1967.

As you can see, the extent to which the territory was modified was considerable between the time of the Armistice of Mudros and when the transfer of territory from the sovereign Kingdom of the Hijaz was accomplished.

REBUTTAL: I could not agree more, the way you use the term "Palestine" is (sometime intentionally) misleading. I try to keep the terms in context to their meaning or designation.

I realize that what we can write here in this discussion could never compare to the 4 volumes, 2,500 pages, including 1 map box that contain all the details. But in no case, was there a Political Subdivision at anytime in the 20th Century known as "Palestine." Nor did the "Palestinian People have either "Title or Rights" to any sovereign territory.

Most Respectfully,
R​

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.​

Indeed.

What is the current situation, Tinmore and what do you think will transpire?

It's looking pretty good. The Palestinians have a multi faceted world wide plan to promote Palestine and Palestinian rights.

BDS is only one of them.

So why are the palestinians banning BDS in palestine ?

You are confusing the US installed, unelected government with the people.

 

[P F Tinmore]

]P F Tinmore, et al,

You are just so full of crap.

The fact that the Arab League made a failed attempt to take be force the territory,​

It is not "the territory," it is Palestine. Using the term "the territory" is purposefully misleading.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians get this wrong intentionally so that over time, people forget that "Palestine" (with hard boundaries) was defined by the Allied Powers; formally accepted in 1924.

Prior to the Treaty of Sevres, the term Palestine was nothing more than a Regional Name that extended across parts of several political sub-divisions of the Ottoman Empire. Those sub-divisions included the Independent Sanjuk of Jerusalem, the Sanjuk of Baaqa, Sanjuk of Acre, and the Sanjuk of Beriut (which made-up half of the Vilayet of Beriut, --- plus portions of the souther Vilayet of Syria.

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.

In 1922, the Order in Council (League of Nations) designated that "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." ("Palestine" was a short title for the Territory under the Mandate.)

On May 15, 1923, Britain formally recognized the Emirate of Transjordan as a state under the leadership of Emir Abdullah. The Anglo-Trans-Jordan Treaty stipulated that Transjordan would be prepared for independence under the general supervision of the British high commissioner in Jerusalem, and recognized Emir Abdullah as head of state. In May 1925, the Aqaba and Ma’an districts of the Hijaz became part of Transjordan.

By 1988 the UN system designated the Palestine Liberation Organization as "Palestine" in A/RES/43/177 wherein it said: "the designation "Palestine" should be used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" in the United Nations system.

However, in 2012 (A/RES/67/19), when the UN "Reaffirmed the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967." Notice, that the State of Palestine is equated to the territory occupied since 1967.

As you can see, the extent to which the territory was modified was considerable between the time of the Armistice of Mudros and when the transfer of territory from the sovereign Kingdom of the Hijaz was accomplished.

REBUTTAL: I could not agree more, the way you use the term "Palestine" is (sometime intentionally) misleading. I try to keep the terms in context to their meaning or designation.

I realize that what we can write here in this discussion could never compare to the 4 volumes, 2,500 pages, including 1 map box that contain all the details. But in no case, was there a Political Subdivision at anytime in the 20th Century known as "Palestine." Nor did the "Palestinian People have either "Title or Rights" to any sovereign territory.

Most Respectfully,
R​

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.​

Indeed.

What is the current situation, Tinmore and what do you think will transpire?

It's looking pretty good. The Palestinians have a multi faceted world wide plan to promote Palestine and Palestinian rights.

BDS is only one of them.

Sounds like you're in the clique to have that information. The question is: Do they have a plan for peace?

It is all about peace. Nobody wants war.

 

[Hollie]

]P F Tinmore, et al,

You are just so full of crap.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians get this wrong intentionally so that over time, people forget that "Palestine" (with hard boundaries) was defined by the Allied Powers; formally accepted in 1924.

Prior to the Treaty of Sevres, the term Palestine was nothing more than a Regional Name that extended across parts of several political sub-divisions of the Ottoman Empire. Those sub-divisions included the Independent Sanjuk of Jerusalem, the Sanjuk of Baaqa, Sanjuk of Acre, and the Sanjuk of Beriut (which made-up half of the Vilayet of Beriut, --- plus portions of the souther Vilayet of Syria.

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.

In 1922, the Order in Council (League of Nations) designated that "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." ("Palestine" was a short title for the Territory under the Mandate.)

On May 15, 1923, Britain formally recognized the Emirate of Transjordan as a state under the leadership of Emir Abdullah. The Anglo-Trans-Jordan Treaty stipulated that Transjordan would be prepared for independence under the general supervision of the British high commissioner in Jerusalem, and recognized Emir Abdullah as head of state. In May 1925, the Aqaba and Ma’an districts of the Hijaz became part of Transjordan.

By 1988 the UN system designated the Palestine Liberation Organization as "Palestine" in A/RES/43/177 wherein it said: "the designation "Palestine" should be used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" in the United Nations system.

However, in 2012 (A/RES/67/19), when the UN "Reaffirmed the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967." Notice, that the State of Palestine is equated to the territory occupied since 1967.

As you can see, the extent to which the territory was modified was considerable between the time of the Armistice of Mudros and when the transfer of territory from the sovereign Kingdom of the Hijaz was accomplished.

REBUTTAL: I could not agree more, the way you use the term "Palestine" is (sometime intentionally) misleading. I try to keep the terms in context to their meaning or designation.

I realize that what we can write here in this discussion could never compare to the 4 volumes, 2,500 pages, including 1 map box that contain all the details. But in no case, was there a Political Subdivision at anytime in the 20th Century known as "Palestine." Nor did the "Palestinian People have either "Title or Rights" to any sovereign territory.

Most Respectfully,
R​

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.​

Indeed.

What is the current situation, Tinmore and what do you think will transpire?

It's looking pretty good. The Palestinians have a multi faceted world wide plan to promote Palestine and Palestinian rights.

BDS is only one of them.

So why are the palestinians banning BDS in palestine ?

You are confusing the US installed, unelected government with the people.

You're again reduced to conspiracy theories to excuse Arab-Moslem ineptitude and incompetence?

 

[Hollie]

]P F Tinmore, et al,

You are just so full of crap.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians get this wrong intentionally so that over time, people forget that "Palestine" (with hard boundaries) was defined by the Allied Powers; formally accepted in 1924.

Prior to the Treaty of Sevres, the term Palestine was nothing more than a Regional Name that extended across parts of several political sub-divisions of the Ottoman Empire. Those sub-divisions included the Independent Sanjuk of Jerusalem, the Sanjuk of Baaqa, Sanjuk of Acre, and the Sanjuk of Beriut (which made-up half of the Vilayet of Beriut, --- plus portions of the souther Vilayet of Syria.

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.

In 1922, the Order in Council (League of Nations) designated that "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." ("Palestine" was a short title for the Territory under the Mandate.)

On May 15, 1923, Britain formally recognized the Emirate of Transjordan as a state under the leadership of Emir Abdullah. The Anglo-Trans-Jordan Treaty stipulated that Transjordan would be prepared for independence under the general supervision of the British high commissioner in Jerusalem, and recognized Emir Abdullah as head of state. In May 1925, the Aqaba and Ma’an districts of the Hijaz became part of Transjordan.

By 1988 the UN system designated the Palestine Liberation Organization as "Palestine" in A/RES/43/177 wherein it said: "the designation "Palestine" should be used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" in the United Nations system.

However, in 2012 (A/RES/67/19), when the UN "Reaffirmed the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967." Notice, that the State of Palestine is equated to the territory occupied since 1967.

As you can see, the extent to which the territory was modified was considerable between the time of the Armistice of Mudros and when the transfer of territory from the sovereign Kingdom of the Hijaz was accomplished.

REBUTTAL: I could not agree more, the way you use the term "Palestine" is (sometime intentionally) misleading. I try to keep the terms in context to their meaning or designation.

I realize that what we can write here in this discussion could never compare to the 4 volumes, 2,500 pages, including 1 map box that contain all the details. But in no case, was there a Political Subdivision at anytime in the 20th Century known as "Palestine." Nor did the "Palestinian People have either "Title or Rights" to any sovereign territory.

Most Respectfully,
R​

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.​

Indeed.

What is the current situation, Tinmore and what do you think will transpire?

It's looking pretty good. The Palestinians have a multi faceted world wide plan to promote Palestine and Palestinian rights.

BDS is only one of them.

Sounds like you're in the clique to have that information. The question is: Do they have a plan for peace?

It is all about peace. Nobody wants war.

Nonsense. The Hamas Charter is simply a reiteration of the hate and war manual that was inflicted on humanity by an Arab warlord.

 

[P F Tinmore]

In 1920, the region you are referring to was established by The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers.​

Indeed.

What is the current situation, Tinmore and what do you think will transpire?

It's looking pretty good. The Palestinians have a multi faceted world wide plan to promote Palestine and Palestinian rights.

BDS is only one of them.

Sounds like you're in the clique to have that information. The question is: Do they have a plan for peace?

It is all about peace. Nobody wants war.

Nonsense. The Hamas Charter is simply a reiteration of the hate and war manual that was inflicted on humanity by an Arab warlord.

The Palestinians are leaving Fatah and Hamas behind. They have little relevance to their peace efforts.

 

[Hollie]

What is the current situation, Tinmore and what do you think will transpire?

It's looking pretty good. The Palestinians have a multi faceted world wide plan to promote Palestine and Palestinian rights.

BDS is only one of them.

Sounds like you're in the clique to have that information. The question is: Do they have a plan for peace?

It is all about peace. Nobody wants war.

Nonsense. The Hamas Charter is simply a reiteration of the hate and war manual that was inflicted on humanity by an Arab warlord.

The Palestinians are leaving Fatah and Hamas behind. They have little relevance to their peace efforts.

Nonsense. The Arab-Moslem terrorists occupying the disputed territories have shown their most recent peace efforts with a wave of stabbing attacks aimed at Israelis. These were hailed by the Fatah Islamic terrorist leadership as commendable. The islamic terrorist retrograde attackers were praised as heroic martyrs.

Such dishonesty on your part.