Bowe Bergdahl: Considering the Evidence before us

[TemplarKormac]

So when I asked who besides him supported the idea that Bergdahl might have had a mental breakdown,

he linked me to where HE says that? lol, I already knew he said it. That was the POINT of my asking who ELSE said it.

btw, where's your acknowledgement that Bergdahl might have had a mental breakdown?

He had a mental breakdown? Looks like he was pretty sane the moment he decided to betray his countrymen.

Enough of the excuses, Carbine.

'Looks' like it? He looked ******* nuts to me.

Yeah, whatever you say, Carbine.

 

[boilermaker55]

Which illustrates your inability to think.
Making a cowardly statement such as this makes your statement foolish.

The left won't consider it as they hate our nation. They hate that there's a concept of a nation and we don't get with the taliban, and have butt sex.


This is as far as I can get with the far lefts thinking on this.

 

[boilermaker55]

Why don't you check out what some of the republican mouths said about Bergdahl before the past week.
Such as sarah palin michele malkin etc.
Look it up and tell us what traitors they are.
Fool!
And if you want to check things out gwb went awol from his Air National Guard unit.

The left won't consider it as they hate our nation. They hate that there's a concept of a nation and we don't get with the taliban, and have butt sex.


This is as far as I can get with the far lefts thinking on this.

 

[Jarhead]

So when I asked who besides him supported the idea that Bergdahl might have had a mental breakdown,

he linked me to where HE says that? lol, I already knew he said it. That was the POINT of my asking who ELSE said it.

btw, where's your acknowledgement that Bergdahl might have had a mental breakdown?

He had a mental breakdown? Looks like he was pretty sane the moment he decided to betray his countrymen.

Enough of the excuses, Carbine.

'Looks' like it? He looked ******* nuts to me.

maybe he is. 5 years in captivity can do that to someone.

But 5 years ago? Maybe.....but if you were in the military you would be aware of how much concentration is put into observing changes in behavior of men and women on the front.

After he went AWOL the first time, he underwent a full psychiatric analysis. That is SoP. Not just for just his safety....but for he safety of his entire base. If he were nuts back then, they would have known it and he would have been sent to Germany.

 

[Jarhead]

I don't believe we have to focus on anything. If he committed a crime, then he should be tried when he gets back. But that changes nothing. We don't leave our people behind. You say people in your family are vets, well I am a vet and I can tell you (and I repeat to get this across) WE DON'T LEAVE OUR PEOPLE BEHIND. If that meant we had to hand over some people from GITMO to do it, then I am cool with that. If some people in Congress are upset, I am cool with that. But getting the guy back was the right thing to do because, just in case anyone didn't get it before, we don't leave our people behind.

As to what happens to him now, that is up to a military court.

Newsflash, genius, Bergdahl left his people behind. Honestly he should have suffered the same fate.

I don't give a damn what he did. I don't give a damn what you think. Just because you lack a sense of honor does not mean that I must as well. "Well, he did it first!" is a child's argument.

it is not about him "doing it first"

It is abut him knowing the dangers if he were to leave the safety of his post....yet doing it anyway.

In essence, he disobeyed the US directive to all Americans.....do not entire the military region unless it is to be part of a US Government operation or military operation.

If I went there anyway to conduct business and I were held hostage....would you expect the US government to compromise national security for my release?

 

[Meathead]

your point?

must be nice to be able to be critical of anyone in uniform while hiding in your basement.....i dont know what happened with this young man ...i do know at one time he was willing to step up and defend his country....more action than you have taken....btw...and then something went terribly wrong....

i do not expect to hear the truth from the government...we never have why expect it now...


pat tillman

My point? Is that there is evidence pointing to Bergdahl being a traitor, to disgracing the uniform he wore. My father served, Bones. Desert Storm. Just about everyone on my side of the family from WWII on served, Dead or Alive. So forgive me, but I have a very unique perspective on the matter.

No.....you do not have a unique perspective on the matter. You are a tool of epic proportions to think for a moment that you do.

In truth, the one being judged here is Barack Obama. Nobody would give a rat's ass or try to defend Bergdahl otherwise.

 

[Jarhead]

Why don't you check out what some of the republican mouths said about Bergdahl before the past week.
Such as sarah palin michele malkin etc.
Look it up and tell us what traitors they are.
Fool!
And if you want to check things out gwb went awol from his Air National Guard unit.

The left won't consider it as they hate our nation. They hate that there's a concept of a nation and we don't get with the taliban, and have butt sex.


This is as far as I can get with the far lefts thinking on this.

I couldn't find anything about Palin. But Malkin, 5 years ago, had questions about him and his apparent voluntary walk. She certainly did not support his actions...or his release.

What are you referring to?

Do you have a link?

I would like to see.

 

[Jarhead]

My point? Is that there is evidence pointing to Bergdahl being a traitor, to disgracing the uniform he wore. My father served, Bones. Desert Storm. Just about everyone on my side of the family from WWII on served, Dead or Alive. So forgive me, but I have a very unique perspective on the matter.

No.....you do not have a unique perspective on the matter. You are a tool of epic proportions to think for a moment that you do.

In truth, the one being judged here is Barack Obama. Nobody would give a rat's ass or try to defend Bergdahl otherwise.

This comment is one of the most accurate comments I have seen posted on this board.

It is all about finding a way to support Obamas actions. Yu guys see a video and say he looked gaunt....nuts.....you have excuses as to why he was in the right for hating the war...

But it is all about supporting an action of Obama.

And what makes me laugh?

No matter how many times I post it, no one will acknowledge that he was NOT a POW. He was a hostage.

Furthermore, no one will address the administration referring to him a serving with honor and distinction.

And why?:

Because you have no response that makes sense.

 

[Unkotare]

If I went there anyway to conduct business and I were held hostage....would you expect the US government to compromise national security for my release?

Well....just once, you rascal!

 

[Jarhead]

If I went there anyway to conduct business and I were held hostage....would you expect the US government to compromise national security for my release?

Well....just once, you rascal!

Cool. Taking a plane to the sand pit tomorrow!

Gonna make me some millions!

 

[Dutch]

Yes it does. That is a permalink, you buffoon. Permalinks point you to a specific area of a page. That is one of Unkotare's posts.

This is what that link leads to (damn, you're lazier than I am):

Post #155

So when I asked who besides him supported the idea that Bergdahl might have had a mental breakdown,

he linked me to where HE says that? lol, I already knew he said it. That was the POINT of my asking who ELSE said it.

btw, where's your acknowledgement that Bergdahl might have had a mental breakdown?

He had a mental breakdown? Looks like he was pretty sane the moment he decided to betray his countrymen.

Enough of the excuses, Carbine.

A guy who will not go out and get a job because of mental problems is railing against someone who may have mental problems in a combat zone? You can't make this shit up. Why didn't you join up Templar? O yea, they deemed you not fit for service. Good thing too, as you wouldn't have made it 1 day in basic.

 

[Unkotare]

If I went there anyway to conduct business and I were held hostage....would you expect the US government to compromise national security for my release?

Well....just once, you rascal!

Cool. Taking a plane to the sand pit tomorrow!

Gonna make me some millions!

I hear there is a booming market in sand, mountains, and those cool little hats.

 

[LoneLaugher]

My point? Is that there is evidence pointing to Bergdahl being a traitor, to disgracing the uniform he wore. My father served, Bones. Desert Storm. Just about everyone on my side of the family from WWII on served, Dead or Alive. So forgive me, but I have a very unique perspective on the matter.

No.....you do not have a unique perspective on the matter. You are a tool of epic proportions to think for a moment that you do.

In truth, the one being judged here is Barack Obama. Nobody would give a rat's ass or try to defend Bergdahl otherwise.

That is ridiculous. The need to speak up for him is brought on by the right's being so anti-Obama that they will go after a POW in this manner.....before the facts are known.

Not one liberal is "defending" Bergdahl. We are all reserving judgement. Something everyone should do. But you can't. You MUST politicize everything that Obama touches. Dishonest losers....the lot of you.

 

[Jarhead]

No.....you do not have a unique perspective on the matter. You are a tool of epic proportions to think for a moment that you do.

In truth, the one being judged here is Barack Obama. Nobody would give a rat's ass or try to defend Bergdahl otherwise.

That is ridiculous. The need to speak up for him is brought on by the right's being so anti-Obama that they will go after a POW in this manner.....before the facts are known.

Not one liberal is "defending" Bergdahl. We are all reserving judgement. Something everyone should do. But you can't. You MUST politicize everything that Obama touches. Dishonest losers....the lot of you.

Last time. He was not a POW.

That is reserved for active military who are captured while deployed.

Once a soldier goes AWOL, he or she is no longer considered "deployed". He or she does not have the title NOR THE SUGBSEQUENT BENEFITS of being a POW.

He or she becomes a hostage.

He or she is no different than ANY AMERICAN who disobeyed a US government directive and enters a military region while not being part of a US government or US military operation.

If I went there tomorrow as a businessman and was taken hostage.....even though the US government gave me a directive not to......

Would you want 5 hard criminals freed for my release?

An AWOL soldier is deemed the same.

Know your facts before you criticize those you disagree with.

 

[Unkotare]

No.....you do not have a unique perspective on the matter. You are a tool of epic proportions to think for a moment that you do.

In truth, the one being judged here is Barack Obama. Nobody would give a rat's ass or try to defend Bergdahl otherwise.

That is ridiculous. The need to speak up for him is brought on by the right's being so anti-Obama that they will go after a POW in this manner.....before the facts are known.

Not one liberal is "defending" Bergdahl. We are all reserving judgement. Something everyone should do. But you can't. You MUST politicize everything that Obama touches. Dishonest losers....the lot of you.

At least one democrat who admits he is not here to think but to blindly defend the obama no matter what.

^^^

 

[Contumacious]

June 27, 2009: Bergdahl sends a final e-mail to his parents, indicating that he was "ashamed to be an American."

Indeed, let's look at the facts

1- War Criminal Bush lied us into wars

2- The US has murdered, maimed and antagonized Muslims in order to support the Jewish State

Go Bowe!

Col, Karen Kwiatkowski, USAF, Retd

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[Unkotare]

Indeed, let's look at the facts

1- War Criminal Bush lied us into wars

2- The US has murdered, maimed and antagonized Muslims in order to support the Jewish State

.

Wrong and wrong, you unthinking, partisan drone.

 

[Care4all]

He had a mental breakdown? Looks like he was pretty sane the moment he decided to betray his countrymen.

Enough of the excuses, Carbine.

'Looks' like it? He looked ******* nuts to me.

maybe he is. 5 years in captivity can do that to someone.

But 5 years ago? Maybe.....but if you were in the military you would be aware of how much concentration is put into observing changes in behavior of men and women on the front.

After he went AWOL the first time, he underwent a full psychiatric analysis. That is SoP. Not just for just his safety....but for he safety of his entire base. If he were nuts back then, they would have known it and he would have been sent to Germany.

And if he went AWOL back then don't you think the Military would know it and if they knew it, why didn't them put him as AWOL and stop promoting him every couple of years? I mean, if he was nuts, you say they would have known it...yet they didnt know enough to say this guy was AWOL?

Doesn't make sense to me....???

BTW, you can be absolutely nuts, but still not be violent...

and I don't know if this guy was nuts, or just a conscientious objector, or was harassed by his fellow soldiers because he was a Muslim or father was a Muslim against the war, and had a breakdown, or he was an outright traitor....with intentions to hurt us all....?

None of us will know until evidence is tested before a court of law and this man has his trial....right now most of the so called "evidence" is just hearsay, with only one side, (ret. sgt evan Buetow) spreading the story to every news outlet that was 'arranged' for him to speak to....

 

[Jarhead]

In truth, the one being judged here is Barack Obama. Nobody would give a rat's ass or try to defend Bergdahl otherwise.

That is ridiculous. The need to speak up for him is brought on by the right's being so anti-Obama that they will go after a POW in this manner.....before the facts are known.

Not one liberal is "defending" Bergdahl. We are all reserving judgement. Something everyone should do. But you can't. You MUST politicize everything that Obama touches. Dishonest losers....the lot of you.

At least one democrat who admits he is not here to think but to blindly defend the obama no matter what.

^^^

And ironically....admits it while trying to deny it.

How pathetic is that?

 

[Jarhead]

'Looks' like it? He looked ******* nuts to me.

maybe he is. 5 years in captivity can do that to someone.

But 5 years ago? Maybe.....but if you were in the military you would be aware of how much concentration is put into observing changes in behavior of men and women on the front.

After he went AWOL the first time, he underwent a full psychiatric analysis. That is SoP. Not just for just his safety....but for he safety of his entire base. If he were nuts back then, they would have known it and he would have been sent to Germany.

And if he went AWOL back then don't you think the Military would know it and if they knew it, why didn't them put him as AWOL and stop promoting him every couple of years? I mean, if he was nuts, you say they would have known it...yet they didnt know enough to say this guy was AWOL?

Doesn't make sense to me....???

BTW, you can be absolutely nuts, but still not be violent...

and I don't know if this guy was nuts, or just a conscientious objector, or was harassed by his fellow soldiers because he was a Muslim or father was a Muslim against the war, and had a breakdown, or he was an outright traitor....with intentions to hurt us all....?

None of us will know until evidence is tested before a court of law and this man has his trial....right now most of the so called "evidence" is just hearsay, with only one side, (ret. sgt evan Buetow) spreading the story to every news outlet that was 'arranged' for him to speak to....

Until a court martial decision, you are still deemed active military and get automatic promotions while in captivity....be it as a hostage or POW. It is automatic and reversed (including additional compensation) if the court martial proceeding finds your reasons for being AWOL were not justified.

You do not have to be violent to be a danger to your platoon if you are nuts. If he were nuts at the time of his first AWOL event, they would have known.