Bowe Bergdahl: Considering the Evidence before us

[Bush92]

Some of you need to remind yourselves that war is not that game you play on your computer.

I am 100% aware of that I assure you. Sgt. Bunghole did not have a mental breakdown. we now have evidence that he sought out the Taliban in order to work for the enemy to kill US troops. Hang him. He does not rate a firing squad.

 

[NYcarbineer]

What if Bergdahl simply suffered from a mental breakdown?

Why is that very plausible possibility being all but totally ignored or dismissed?

He could have suffered a mental breakdown, but there's no evidence to suggest he did.

No evidence? MOST of the evidence suggests he did. jesus christ.

 

[strollingbones]

tell that to the pows in vietnam who were what

LEFT BEHIND....

i dont care how loud you shout that or how bold you make it...doesnt make it true

I am a Vietnam vet and making it bold just didn't make you understand. It's true because it's true.

did you even look at the link? proving the us left pows in vietnam and knew it.....

so all these people like myself who fly this flag or bumpersticker.....



are wrong? or foolish or what? i was at ft bragg when the last large group of pows came there....they knew others were left behind

but do tell me why we should stop flying this flag or having this bumpersticker or this belief.......

 

[NYcarbineer]

Some of you need to remind yourselves that war is not that game you play on your computer.

I am 100% aware of that I assure you. Sgt. Bunghole did not have a mental breakdown. we now have evidence that he sought out the Taliban in order to work for the enemy to kill US troops. Hang him. He does not rate a firing squad.

So you acknowledge that mental breakdowns are quite common in war but you insist that Bergdahl was somehow magically immune from susceptibility to such.

lol

 

[strollingbones]

must be nice to be able to be critical of anyone in uniform while hiding in your basement.....

???

His fellow soldiers who have been critical of him are "hiding in your basement"?

???

no, i take the remarks made by his team leader very seriously.....

remarks made by simple calming his knows stuff cause his daddy served.....really? what has the op done from his basement?

 

[NYcarbineer]

What if Bergdahl simply suffered from a mental breakdown?

Why is that very plausible possibility being all but totally ignored or dismissed?

It is not being "all but totally ignored or dismissed."

Okay, where are the posters among your rightwing pals who have expressed genuine acknowledgement that Bergdahl may have suffered a mental breakdown?

Oh, any one of you may sign in here to support Unk's claim.

 

[Care4all]

His fellow soldiers are the ones condemning him.

They are the ones who brought his desertion into the spotlight.

Are you saying they haven't the right to speak out?

Is anyone here calling them liars?

Because the guy left a note announcing his intention to desert.

You Obama sycophants need to get your priorities straight.

When you attempt to dispute documented facts, your'll get your ass handed to you every time.

Until this ex Sgt Evan Buetow is under oath, I don't believe he should be thought of as someone honest, without an agenda....

He has lied quite a bit and changed his story quite a bit in all of his 15 minutes of fame Missourian....

First he said that this guy left his active duty post, only to find out he never switched guard...he was missing BEFORE he took his turn to be on guard, on post... so that was a lie spread....

Then Buetow has said that 5 or 6 soldiers were killed searching for Bowe, and later changed his story that these 6 killed were not killed in a search for him, but killed when doing their duty for other matters, but Bowe must have been helping the enemy with how to kill them with ied's.....so, once again, what appears to be ANOTHER LIE by this one soldier Buetow....

Then he says that he heard translated conversations saying that Bowe was searching for the Taliban, but then we find out he was asking for anyone that spoke English that could translate for him....

I don't trust the way this ex SGT Buetow, is on a mission to railroad Bowe in the Public's eye...seems incredibly unprofessional and appears to have an ulterior motive of malice and not justice.....something smells bad here, and until this accuser is under oath....I choose not to believe a word he says....

 

[Jarhead]

What if Bergdahl simply suffered from a mental breakdown?

Why is that very plausible possibility being all but totally ignored or dismissed?

It is not being "all but totally ignored or dismissed."

Okay, where are the posters among your rightwing pals who have expressed genuine acknowledgement that Bergdahl may have suffered a mental breakdown?

Oh, any one of you may sign in here to support Unk's claim.

Me. I agreed with that as a possible theory in another thread.

That is why I will not fall into the rhetoric about desertion.

A court martial will consider his mental health; his possible dominating fear of death (that can force one to "run for the hills"); or a variety of other possibilities forcing one to go AWOL without it being true "desertion"

But that does not change the facts that needed to be taken into consideration:

He made a conscious decision to go AWOL.
He ignored the order of the US government to NOT be in the region if not directly involved in US sanctioned military action
He was not a POW. He was a hostage.

If, in fact, the President decided he was Honorable but may have suffered a nervous breakdown or mental malfunction of some kind, then he made a major decision of releasing 5 hard criminals and compromising US national security based on a HUNCH.

And that, to me, is a mistake.

 

[Care4all]

It is not being "all but totally ignored or dismissed."

Okay, where are the posters among your rightwing pals who have expressed genuine acknowledgement that Bergdahl may have suffered a mental breakdown?

Oh, any one of you may sign in here to support Unk's claim.

Me. I agreed with that as a possible theory in another thread.

That is why I will not fall into the rhetoric about desertion.

A court martial will consider his mental health; his possible dominating fear of death (that can force one to "run for the hills"); or a variety of other possibilities forcing one to go AWOL without it being true "desertion"

But that does not change the facts that needed to be taken into consideration:

He made a conscious decision to go AWOL.
He ignored the order of the US government to NOT be in the region if not directly involved in US sanctioned military action
He was not a POW. He was a hostage.

If, in fact, the President decided he was Honorable but may have suffered a nervous breakdown or mental malfunction of some kind, then he made a major decision of releasing 5 hard criminals and compromising US national security based on a HUNCH.

And that, to me, is a mistake.

Jarhead, do you think GITMO is going to stay opened after we wind down the war in Afghanistan? And is it even legal to hold prisoners of war, after a war is over, without trial?

GITMO is closing imo, because the troops are getting ready to wind down and come home....

so we got something for nothing...we got no American left behind, for released prisoners of war that were going to have to be released anyway....with the war winding down...

Also, where are these 5 prisoners now, that were 'released' and what were the terms?

 

[whitehall]

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June 27, 2009: Bergdahl sends a final e-mail to his parents, indicating that he was "ashamed to be an American."

The future is too good to waste on lies. And life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend it helping fools with their ideas that are wrong. I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be american.[sic] The horror of the self-righteous arrogance that they thrive in. It is all revolting.

June 30, 2009: Bergdahl is captured by Taliban insurgents after allegedly lagging behind in a patrol.

A few days later, according to Former Army Sgt. Evan Buetow, on the night and day of his capture, Bergdahl crawled away from the base, seeking talks with the Taliban. His (Buetow's) unit intercepted radio chatter indicating that he wished to do so. Bergdahl allegedly leaves a note behind that night indicating he wished to 'lead a new life.' Two days ago Nathan Bradley Bethea, a member of Bergdahl's battalion wrote an article in the Daily Beast that there had been no patrol on the night of his capture. A Pentagon investigation of Bergdahl's capture in 2010 reveals that he walked away from his unit. The US Military chooses not to exert any effort in pursuit.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/u...idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?_r=0

We Lost Soldiers in the Hunt for Bergdahl, a Guy Who Walked Off in the Dead of Night - The Daily Beast

U.S. concluded in 2010 that Bergdahl walked away

On May 31, 2014, after negotiations with the Taliban, Bergdahl is released in exchange for five high profile Taliban combatants. From then on, a firestorm begins to brew over how the Obama Administration procured his release. That afternoon, Obama holds a surprise press conference in the Rose Garden. Attending is Bowe's father, Robert and his mother. Most notably here is Robert, who has noticeably grown a long beard. In his statements he is heard speaking in the Pashto language. Three days earlier, he releases a tweet he later deletes:

Speculation now swirls that Robert is an Islamic sympathizer, further raising suspicions that Bowe not only deserted his unit, but may have been collaborating with the Taliban. According to Fox News, a source familiar with the DoD confirmed that there is a considerable file on Bergdahl, and that there had been mounting concerns that Bergdahl may committed treason.

A senior official confirms to Fox News that the conduct of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl — both in his final stretch of active duty in Afghanistan and then, too, during his time when he lived among the Taliban — has been thoroughly investigated by the U.S. intelligence community and is the subject of “a major classified file.”
In conveying as much, the Defense Department source confirmed to Fox News that many within the intelligence community harbor serious outstanding concerns not only that Bergdahl may have been a deserter but that he may have been an active collaborator with the enemy.

Sources: Intelligence community investigated Bergdahl?s conduct | Fox News


Given what we know now, Bergdahl can be tried for desertion. The Pentagon has already investigated and concluded that he committed a violation of Article 85 of the UCMJ. Now, Obama is facing a bipartisan firestorm for allegedly breaking the law to release the 5 men in exchange for Bergdahl and this has all the makings of a scandal. But I must contend, this evidence is nothing but speculative until tried and tested in a court of law. I ask you to consider these facts before jumping to any conclusions, as I have so often been told over the past couple of days.

(Note to the Moderators: if this is deemed a similar thread to the other two, please feel free to merge them. Thank you.)[/QUOTE]

What is this nonsense? Is the radical left so ignorant that they think it's not evidence until it is presented in a trial? It's freaking evidence no matter what and here's the little secret lefties: it's OK to be judgmental when the evidence is overwhelming.

 

[Care4all]

Looks like this SGT Beutow and Bowe didn't get along well, even BEFORE he allegedly went AWOL....Bowe's message to his parents could have PARTLY been about Sgt Beutow and friends....I'm not certain but there could have been enough stress from this sgt and friends to make Bowe crack...maybe he was being bullied for being muslim, maybe he never fit in with the others?

Who truly knows the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God, yet?

 

[Unkotare]

must be nice to be able to be critical of anyone in uniform while hiding in your basement.....

???

His fellow soldiers who have been critical of him are "hiding in your basement"?

???

no, i take the remarks made by his team leader very seriously.....

remarks made by simple calming his knows stuff cause his daddy served.....really? what has the op done from his basement?

And does your opinion of that poster somehow cancel out your taking "the remarks made by his team leader very seriously..."?

 

[Unkotare]

What if Bergdahl simply suffered from a mental breakdown?

Why is that very plausible possibility being all but totally ignored or dismissed?

It is not being "all but totally ignored or dismissed."

Okay, where are the posters among your rightwing pals who have expressed genuine acknowledgement that Bergdahl may have suffered a mental breakdown?.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-r...in-arabic-the-real-reason-11.html#post9201931

 

[NYcarbineer]

It is not being "all but totally ignored or dismissed."

Okay, where are the posters among your rightwing pals who have expressed genuine acknowledgement that Bergdahl may have suffered a mental breakdown?.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-r...in-arabic-the-real-reason-11.html#post9201931

Right, I'm going to read through a 183 post thread where it won't have what I asked for anyway.

 

[Unkotare]

Okay, where are the posters among your rightwing pals who have expressed genuine acknowledgement that Bergdahl may have suffered a mental breakdown?.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-r...in-arabic-the-real-reason-11.html#post9201931

Right, I'm going to read through a 183 post thread where it won't have what I asked for anyway.

The link will take you to a specific post, you lazy ****.

 

[bodecea]

Alright, lets get some things straight here. Until the evidence is tried in a military court, and Bergdahl is tried in a military court; neither the evidence or what his fellow platoon mates say will mean much of anything. However, if we wanted to consider the evidence and the testimony of his fellow platoon mates, or his actions leading up to his alleged desertion, we need to focus on two things, his capture, and release:

June 27, 2009: Bergdahl sends a final e-mail to his parents, indicating that he was "ashamed to be an American."

The future is too good to waste on lies. And life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend it helping fools with their ideas that are wrong. I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be american.[sic] The horror of the self-righteous arrogance that they thrive in. It is all revolting.

June 30, 2009: Bergdahl is captured by Taliban insurgents after allegedly lagging behind in a patrol.

A few days later, according to Former Army Sgt. Evan Buetow, on the night and day of his capture, Bergdahl crawled away from the base, seeking talks with the Taliban. His (Buetow's) unit intercepted radio chatter indicating that he wished to do so. Bergdahl allegedly leaves a note behind that night indicating he wished to 'lead a new life.' Two days ago Nathan Bradley Bethea, a member of Bergdahl's battalion wrote an article in the Daily Beast that there had been no patrol on the night of his capture. A Pentagon investigation of Bergdahl's capture in 2010 reveals that he walked away from his unit. The US Military chooses not to exert any effort in pursuit.

Bowe Bergdahl 'Sought Taliban Talks': Former Team Leader - Business Insider

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/u...idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?_r=0

We Lost Soldiers in the Hunt for Bergdahl, a Guy Who Walked Off in the Dead of Night - The Daily Beast

U.S. concluded in 2010 that Bergdahl walked away

On May 31, 2014, after negotiations with the Taliban, Bergdahl is released in exchange for five high profile Taliban combatants. From then on, a firestorm begins to brew over how the Obama Administration procured his release. That afternoon, Obama holds a surprise press conference in the Rose Garden. Attending is Bowe's father, Robert and his mother. Most notably here is Robert, who has noticeably grown a long beard. In his statements he is heard speaking in the Pashto language. Three days earlier, he releases a tweet he later deletes:

Speculation now swirls that Robert is an Islamic sympathizer, further raising suspicions that Bowe not only deserted his unit, but may have been collaborating with the Taliban. According to Fox News, a source familiar with the DoD confirmed that there is a considerable file on Bergdahl, and that there had been mounting concerns that Bergdahl may committed treason.

A senior official confirms to Fox News that the conduct of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl — both in his final stretch of active duty in Afghanistan and then, too, during his time when he lived among the Taliban — has been thoroughly investigated by the U.S. intelligence community and is the subject of “a major classified file.”
In conveying as much, the Defense Department source confirmed to Fox News that many within the intelligence community harbor serious outstanding concerns not only that Bergdahl may have been a deserter but that he may have been an active collaborator with the enemy.

Sources: Intelligence community investigated Bergdahl?s conduct | Fox News


Given what we know now, Bergdahl can be tried for desertion. The Pentagon has already investigated and concluded that he committed a violation of Article 85 of the UCMJ. Now, Obama is facing a bipartisan firestorm for allegedly breaking the law to release the 5 men in exchange for Bergdahl and this has all the makings of a scandal. But I must contend, this evidence is nothing but speculative until tried and tested in a court of law. I ask you to consider these facts before jumping to any conclusions, as I have so often been told over the past couple of days.

(Note to the Moderators: if this is deemed a similar thread to the other two, please feel free to merge them. Thank you.)

So...you think we've got ALL the evidence and no rumors or gossip? Seriously?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Alright, lets get some things straight here. Until the evidence is tried in a military court, and Bergdahl is tried in a military court; neither the evidence or what his fellow platoon mates say will mean much of anything. However, if we wanted to consider the evidence and the testimony of his fellow platoon mates, or his actions leading up to his alleged desertion, we need to focus on two things, his capture, and release:

June 27, 2009: Bergdahl sends a final e-mail to his parents, indicating that he was "ashamed to be an American."

The future is too good to waste on lies. And life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend it helping fools with their ideas that are wrong. I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be american.[sic] The horror of the self-righteous arrogance that they thrive in. It is all revolting.

June 30, 2009: Bergdahl is captured by Taliban insurgents after allegedly lagging behind in a patrol.

A few days later, according to Former Army Sgt. Evan Buetow, on the night and day of his capture, Bergdahl crawled away from the base, seeking talks with the Taliban. His (Buetow's) unit intercepted radio chatter indicating that he wished to do so. Bergdahl allegedly leaves a note behind that night indicating he wished to 'lead a new life.' Two days ago Nathan Bradley Bethea, a member of Bergdahl's battalion wrote an article in the Daily Beast that there had been no patrol on the night of his capture. A Pentagon investigation of Bergdahl's capture in 2010 reveals that he walked away from his unit. The US Military chooses not to exert any effort in pursuit.

Bowe Bergdahl 'Sought Taliban Talks': Former Team Leader - Business Insider

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/u...idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?_r=0

We Lost Soldiers in the Hunt for Bergdahl, a Guy Who Walked Off in the Dead of Night - The Daily Beast

U.S. concluded in 2010 that Bergdahl walked away

On May 31, 2014, after negotiations with the Taliban, Bergdahl is released in exchange for five high profile Taliban combatants. From then on, a firestorm begins to brew over how the Obama Administration procured his release. That afternoon, Obama holds a surprise press conference in the Rose Garden. Attending is Bowe's father, Robert and his mother. Most notably here is Robert, who has noticeably grown a long beard. In his statements he is heard speaking in the Pashto language. Three days earlier, he releases a tweet he later deletes:

Speculation now swirls that Robert is an Islamic sympathizer, further raising suspicions that Bowe not only deserted his unit, but may have been collaborating with the Taliban. According to Fox News, a source familiar with the DoD confirmed that there is a considerable file on Bergdahl, and that there had been mounting concerns that Bergdahl may committed treason.

A senior official confirms to Fox News that the conduct of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl — both in his final stretch of active duty in Afghanistan and then, too, during his time when he lived among the Taliban — has been thoroughly investigated by the U.S. intelligence community and is the subject of “a major classified file.”
In conveying as much, the Defense Department source confirmed to Fox News that many within the intelligence community harbor serious outstanding concerns not only that Bergdahl may have been a deserter but that he may have been an active collaborator with the enemy.

Sources: Intelligence community investigated Bergdahl?s conduct | Fox News


Given what we know now, Bergdahl can be tried for desertion. The Pentagon has already investigated and concluded that he committed a violation of Article 85 of the UCMJ. Now, Obama is facing a bipartisan firestorm for allegedly breaking the law to release the 5 men in exchange for Bergdahl and this has all the makings of a scandal. But I must contend, this evidence is nothing but speculative until tried and tested in a court of law. I ask you to consider these facts before jumping to any conclusions, as I have so often been told over the past couple of days.

(Note to the Moderators: if this is deemed a similar thread to the other two, please feel free to merge them. Thank you.)

I don't believe we have to focus on anything. If he committed a crime, then he should be tried when he gets back. But that changes nothing. We don't leave our people behind. You say people in your family are vets, well I am a vet and I can tell you (and I repeat to get this across) WE DON'T LEAVE OUR PEOPLE BEHIND. If that meant we had to hand over some people from GITMO to do it, then I am cool with that. If some people in Congress are upset, I am cool with that. But getting the guy back was the right thing to do because, just in case anyone didn't get it before, we don't leave our people behind.

As to what happens to him now, that is up to a military court.

Newsflash, genius, Bergdahl left his people behind. Honestly he should have suffered the same fate.

 

[TemplarKormac]

What is this nonsense? Is the radical left so ignorant that they think it's not evidence until it is presented in a trial? It's freaking evidence no matter what and here's the little secret lefties: it's OK to be judgmental when the evidence is overwhelming.

@whitehall

I resent the fact you referred to me as a "radical leftist" just now. Given my respect for the judicial process, even Bergdahl (the traitor that he is) deserves a trial where the evidence is tried and tested before a judge and jury. Quite ironic though, people were upset when Anwar Al Awlaki was droned to death, as an American citizen, without his right to a trial. Be happy Bergdahl will get more than he did.

 

[NYcarbineer]

What is this nonsense? Is the radical left so ignorant that they think it's not evidence until it is presented in a trial? It's freaking evidence no matter what and here's the little secret lefties: it's OK to be judgmental when the evidence is overwhelming.

@whitehall

I resent the fact you referred to me as a "radical leftist" just now. Given my respect for the judicial process, and my belief Bergdahl (the traitor that he is) even deserves a trial where the evidence is tried and tested before a judge and jury. Quite ironic though, people were upset when Anwar Al Awlaki was droned to death, as an American citizen, without his right to a trial. Be happy Bergdahl will get more than he did.

Awalaki didn't have a right to a trial.

 

[NYcarbineer]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-r...in-arabic-the-real-reason-11.html#post9201931

Right, I'm going to read through a 183 post thread where it won't have what I asked for anyway.

The link will take you to a specific post, you lazy ****.

No it doesn't. You click the post # and then link to that page for a specific post.