Bowe Bergdahl: Considering the Evidence before us

Well I have to hand it to the propagandist of the DNC they did it again. Just when the VA story was on fire they start another as a distraction. The President can't come out smelling bad on this one so they completely turned the debate around. Bravo, the left wing has learned the Aliinsky lessons well, Bravo.
 
Alright, lets get some things straight here. Until the evidence is tried in a military court, and Bergdahl is tried in a military court; neither the evidence or what his fellow platoon mates say will mean much of anything. However, if we wanted to consider the evidence and the testimony of his fellow platoon mates, or his actions leading up to his alleged desertion, we need to focus on two things, his capture, and release:

June 27, 2009: Bergdahl sends a final e-mail to his parents, indicating that he was "ashamed to be an American."

The future is too good to waste on lies. And life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend it helping fools with their ideas that are wrong. I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be american.[sic] The horror of the self-righteous arrogance that they thrive in. It is all revolting.
June 30, 2009: Bergdahl is captured by Taliban insurgents after allegedly lagging behind in a patrol.

A few days later, according to Former Army Sgt. Evan Buetow, on the night and day of his capture, Bergdahl crawled away from the base, seeking talks with the Taliban. His (Buetow's) unit intercepted radio chatter indicating that he wished to do so. Bergdahl allegedly leaves a note behind that night indicating he wished to 'lead a new life.' Two days ago Nathan Bradley Bethea, a member of Bergdahl's battalion wrote an article in the Daily Beast that there had been no patrol on the night of his capture. A Pentagon investigation of Bergdahl's capture in 2010 reveals that he walked away from his unit. The US Military chooses not to exert any effort in pursuit.

Bowe Bergdahl 'Sought Taliban Talks': Former Team Leader - Business Insider

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/u...idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?_r=0

We Lost Soldiers in the Hunt for Bergdahl, a Guy Who Walked Off in the Dead of Night - The Daily Beast

U.S. concluded in 2010 that Bergdahl walked away

On May 31, 2014, after negotiations with the Taliban, Bergdahl is released in exchange for five high profile Taliban combatants. From then on, a firestorm begins to brew over how the Obama Administration procured his release. That afternoon, Obama holds a surprise press conference in the Rose Garden. Attending is Bowe's father, Robert and his mother. Most notably here is Robert, who has noticeably grown a long beard. In his statements he is heard speaking in the Pashto language. Three days earlier, he releases a tweet he later deletes:

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Speculation now swirls that Robert is an Islamic sympathizer, further raising suspicions that Bowe not only deserted his unit, but may have been collaborating with the Taliban. According to Fox News, a source familiar with the DoD confirmed that there is a considerable file on Bergdahl, and that there had been mounting concerns that Bergdahl may committed treason.

A senior official confirms to Fox News that the conduct of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl — both in his final stretch of active duty in Afghanistan and then, too, during his time when he lived among the Taliban — has been thoroughly investigated by the U.S. intelligence community and is the subject of “a major classified file.”
In conveying as much, the Defense Department source confirmed to Fox News that many within the intelligence community harbor serious outstanding concerns not only that Bergdahl may have been a deserter but that he may have been an active collaborator with the enemy.
Sources: Intelligence community investigated Bergdahl?s conduct | Fox News


Given what we know now, Bergdahl can be tried for desertion. The Pentagon has already investigated and concluded that he committed a violation of Article 85 of the UCMJ. Now, Obama is facing a bipartisan firestorm for allegedly breaking the law to release the 5 men in exchange for Bergdahl and this has all the makings of a scandal. But I must contend, this evidence is nothing but speculative until tried and tested in a court of law. I ask you to consider these facts before jumping to any conclusions, as I have so often been told over the past couple of days.

(Note to the Moderators: if this is deemed a similar thread to the other two, please feel free to merge them. Thank you.)

I don't believe we have to focus on anything. If he committed a crime, then he should be tried when he gets back. But that changes nothing. We don't leave our people behind. You say people in your family are vets, well I am a vet and I can tell you (and I repeat to get this across) WE DON'T LEAVE OUR PEOPLE BEHIND. If that meant we had to hand over some people from GITMO to do it, then I am cool with that. If some people in Congress are upset, I am cool with that. But getting the guy back was the right thing to do because, just in case anyone didn't get it before, we don't leave our people behind.

As to what happens to him now, that is up to a military court.
 
tell that to the pows in vietnam who were what

LEFT BEHIND....

i dont care how loud you shout that or how bold you make it...doesnt make it true
 
Alright, lets get some things straight here. Until the evidence is tried in a military court, and Bergdahl is tried in a military court; neither the evidence or what his fellow platoon mates say will mean much of anything. However, if we wanted to consider the evidence and the testimony of his fellow platoon mates, or his actions leading up to his alleged desertion, we need to focus on two things, his capture, and release:

June 27, 2009: Bergdahl sends a final e-mail to his parents, indicating that he was "ashamed to be an American."

The future is too good to waste on lies. And life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend it helping fools with their ideas that are wrong. I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be american.[sic] The horror of the self-righteous arrogance that they thrive in. It is all revolting.
June 30, 2009: Bergdahl is captured by Taliban insurgents after allegedly lagging behind in a patrol.

A few days later, according to Former Army Sgt. Evan Buetow, on the night and day of his capture, Bergdahl crawled away from the base, seeking talks with the Taliban. His (Buetow's) unit intercepted radio chatter indicating that he wished to do so. Bergdahl allegedly leaves a note behind that night indicating he wished to 'lead a new life.' Two days ago Nathan Bradley Bethea, a member of Bergdahl's battalion wrote an article in the Daily Beast that there had been no patrol on the night of his capture. A Pentagon investigation of Bergdahl's capture in 2010 reveals that he walked away from his unit. The US Military chooses not to exert any effort in pursuit.

Bowe Bergdahl 'Sought Taliban Talks': Former Team Leader - Business Insider

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/u...idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?_r=0

We Lost Soldiers in the Hunt for Bergdahl, a Guy Who Walked Off in the Dead of Night - The Daily Beast

U.S. concluded in 2010 that Bergdahl walked away

On May 31, 2014, after negotiations with the Taliban, Bergdahl is released in exchange for five high profile Taliban combatants. From then on, a firestorm begins to brew over how the Obama Administration procured his release. That afternoon, Obama holds a surprise press conference in the Rose Garden. Attending is Bowe's father, Robert and his mother. Most notably here is Robert, who has noticeably grown a long beard. In his statements he is heard speaking in the Pashto language. Three days earlier, he releases a tweet he later deletes:

free-guantanimo-prisoners-tweet-zigler-630x327.png


Speculation now swirls that Robert is an Islamic sympathizer, further raising suspicions that Bowe not only deserted his unit, but may have been collaborating with the Taliban. According to Fox News, a source familiar with the DoD confirmed that there is a considerable file on Bergdahl, and that there had been mounting concerns that Bergdahl may committed treason.

A senior official confirms to Fox News that the conduct of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl — both in his final stretch of active duty in Afghanistan and then, too, during his time when he lived among the Taliban — has been thoroughly investigated by the U.S. intelligence community and is the subject of “a major classified file.”
In conveying as much, the Defense Department source confirmed to Fox News that many within the intelligence community harbor serious outstanding concerns not only that Bergdahl may have been a deserter but that he may have been an active collaborator with the enemy.
Sources: Intelligence community investigated Bergdahl?s conduct | Fox News


Given what we know now, Bergdahl can be tried for desertion. The Pentagon has already investigated and concluded that he committed a violation of Article 85 of the UCMJ. Now, Obama is facing a bipartisan firestorm for allegedly breaking the law to release the 5 men in exchange for Bergdahl and this has all the makings of a scandal. But I must contend, this evidence is nothing but speculative until tried and tested in a court of law. I ask you to consider these facts before jumping to any conclusions, as I have so often been told over the past couple of days.

(Note to the Moderators: if this is deemed a similar thread to the other two, please feel free to merge them. Thank you.)


"...until tried and tested in a court of law."
i am so ******* sick of this phrase i would like to strangle the person who first coined it.
we all know how corrupt our liberal court system is so why bother, he is still in the Army so let the military court deal with this deserting traitor.

"...jumping to any conclusions,"
**** that shit, we already know enough from his fellow soldiers who were ordered to shoot the S.O.B. on sight if/when they found him.., and THAT alone is good enough for me to say, put the asshole deserting traitor before a firing squad of his fellow soldiers :up:
 
FP: The Senate Committee concluded in 1993 that “There is evidence, moreover, that indicates the possibility of survival, at least for a small number, after Operation Homecoming…” (Operation Homecoming, was the 1973 return of POWs upon the signing of the Paris Peace Accords.)

O’Shea: It meant in all probability that American servicemen were left behind at the end of the war in Southeast Asia. When Former Secretary of Defense and CIA Director James Schlesinger appeared before the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, he was asked directly if the United States left men behind in Southeast Asia. Schlesinger responded: “As of now, I can come to no other conclusion.”

entire article:

The POWs We Left Behind

military families have known this for how long....o since the end of the vietnam war
 
Alright, lets get some things straight here. Until the evidence is tried in a military court, and Bergdahl is tried in a military court; neither the evidence or what his fellow platoon mates say will mean much of anything. However, if we wanted to consider the evidence and the testimony of his fellow platoon mates, or his actions leading up to his alleged desertion, we need to focus on two things, his capture, and release:

June 27, 2009: Bergdahl sends a final e-mail to his parents, indicating that he was "ashamed to be an American."

The future is too good to waste on lies. And life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend it helping fools with their ideas that are wrong. I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be american.[sic] The horror of the self-righteous arrogance that they thrive in. It is all revolting.
June 30, 2009: Bergdahl is captured by Taliban insurgents after allegedly lagging behind in a patrol.

A few days later, according to Former Army Sgt. Evan Buetow, on the night and day of his capture, Bergdahl crawled away from the base, seeking talks with the Taliban. His (Buetow's) unit intercepted radio chatter indicating that he wished to do so. Bergdahl allegedly leaves a note behind that night indicating he wished to 'lead a new life.' Two days ago Nathan Bradley Bethea, a member of Bergdahl's battalion wrote an article in the Daily Beast that there had been no patrol on the night of his capture. A Pentagon investigation of Bergdahl's capture in 2010 reveals that he walked away from his unit. The US Military chooses not to exert any effort in pursuit.

Bowe Bergdahl 'Sought Taliban Talks': Former Team Leader - Business Insider

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/u...idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?_r=0

We Lost Soldiers in the Hunt for Bergdahl, a Guy Who Walked Off in the Dead of Night - The Daily Beast

U.S. concluded in 2010 that Bergdahl walked away

On May 31, 2014, after negotiations with the Taliban, Bergdahl is released in exchange for five high profile Taliban combatants. From then on, a firestorm begins to brew over how the Obama Administration procured his release. That afternoon, Obama holds a surprise press conference in the Rose Garden. Attending is Bowe's father, Robert and his mother. Most notably here is Robert, who has noticeably grown a long beard. In his statements he is heard speaking in the Pashto language. Three days earlier, he releases a tweet he later deletes:

free-guantanimo-prisoners-tweet-zigler-630x327.png


Speculation now swirls that Robert is an Islamic sympathizer, further raising suspicions that Bowe not only deserted his unit, but may have been collaborating with the Taliban. According to Fox News, a source familiar with the DoD confirmed that there is a considerable file on Bergdahl, and that there had been mounting concerns that Bergdahl may committed treason.

A senior official confirms to Fox News that the conduct of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl — both in his final stretch of active duty in Afghanistan and then, too, during his time when he lived among the Taliban — has been thoroughly investigated by the U.S. intelligence community and is the subject of “a major classified file.”
In conveying as much, the Defense Department source confirmed to Fox News that many within the intelligence community harbor serious outstanding concerns not only that Bergdahl may have been a deserter but that he may have been an active collaborator with the enemy.
Sources: Intelligence community investigated Bergdahl?s conduct | Fox News


Given what we know now, Bergdahl can be tried for desertion. The Pentagon has already investigated and concluded that he committed a violation of Article 85 of the UCMJ. Now, Obama is facing a bipartisan firestorm for allegedly breaking the law to release the 5 men in exchange for Bergdahl and this has all the makings of a scandal. But I must contend, this evidence is nothing but speculative until tried and tested in a court of law. I ask you to consider these facts before jumping to any conclusions, as I have so often been told over the past couple of days.

(Note to the Moderators: if this is deemed a similar thread to the other two, please feel free to merge them. Thank you.)

Your point is unclear. Are you now questioning the 'wisdom' of all your fellow conservative pals who have reflexively leaped to the position that Bergdahl is a criminal?
 
i have mixed feeling about the whole thing....seems a young man who stepped up to serve his country got in the mist of war and did not find it to his liking....naive on his part at best....but i think he became disillusioned like many have become serving in the needless war in afghanistan....history is on their side...the russians could not defeat them and they learned a lot fighting the russians....

now for this young man....i will wait and see what facts come out...so far all we have to go on is hear say....if he was awol then he should be prosecuted for that.....why was he promoted twice while a captive there are a lot of questions....about him...

but to hear people say they have creds cause their dad served is a little beyond me....to see someone hiding in their basement being so condemning of someone who stepped up and went to war...perhaps the bowe is a total failure but he did try....more than you can say for the op

I guess by the posters standard I have the most creds. My Grandfather served in every war in the last decade. My father was a fore runner to the Navy SEALs serving in WW2 and I served for 6 years.

Of course that none of that really matters it just might give me more perspective into the military then maybe someone whose only concern about invasion is if the Orkin man has sprayed for ants.

Let us say this guy got disillusioned. How does that happen? It is hard for me to believe that it happened as he stood watch. Too myopic of position to really see a big picture. Also consider it is not like he was a private he was a sergeant so he had been in the service for awhile. Is there someone in his life that may have influenced him? Maybe someone who spoke Arabic to him because the kid lost his ability to speak English? Even though if he were being held captive by the Taliban in the mountains of Afghanistan they would not be speaking Arabic? The Father had his 15 minutes and used it well to put it in the face of American and Obama stood by beaming. But that bit of BS is another story.

So, if he just didn't want to fight anymore why didn't he just shoot himself in the foot? Or go AWOL in the states? My opinion is he wanted an adventure, he was bored, that is all. Military life can be very boring. So I am thinking, yeah he went AWOL, but it wasn't for any reason other then he wanted to be James Bond or Borne.

As for the war, why is it dragging on I don't know. Why Obama had a surge where 80 percent, about, of the casualties happened on his watch. Our objective was to remove the Taliban and to remove a safe haven for al-quada which we did very well with a relatively light foot step under GWB. Why this has dragged out to be our longest war is anyone's guess.
 
The left won't consider it as they hate our nation. They hate that there's a concept of a nation and we don't get with the taliban, and have butt sex.


This is as far as I can get with the far lefts thinking on this.[/QUOTE

and you are an idiot for thinking this is anything to do with partisan politics.....


and you are a far bigger idiotic fool if you thin...., ooops ! FEEEEEL there is NOT !! :up:
 
What if Bergdahl simply suffered from a mental breakdown?

Why is that very plausible possibility being all but totally ignored or dismissed?
 
tell that to the pows in vietnam who were what

LEFT BEHIND....

i dont care how loud you shout that or how bold you make it...doesnt make it true

I am a Vietnam vet and making it bold just didn't make you understand. It's true because it's true.
 
Hard for me to believe that a young man who did what most of you posters either didn't do or couldn't do, put his life on the line for his country, has had something go wrong with his head and is now being condemned for his actions.

To those that claim to love and support the military and are now condemning this young man; **** off.



Are you directing that message toward all his fellow soldiers who served with him and have been speaking out lately about the circumstances of his 'abduction'? Would you be willing to emote like this to their faces?
 
Hard for me to believe that a young man who did what most of you posters either didn't do or couldn't do, put his life on the line for his country, has had something go wrong with his head and is now being condemned for his actions.

To those that claim to love and support the military and are now condemning this young man; **** off.

you can **** yourself off..., i served 25 years in the U.S. Navy i know a whole lot more about first hand deserters and traitors.., this scumbag deserted his post and fellow soldiers and left them open to an attack while they slept, you call that a ******* hero ?
 
What if Bergdahl simply suffered from a mental breakdown?

Why is that very plausible possibility being all but totally ignored or dismissed?


It is not being "all but totally ignored or dismissed."
 
15th post
I believe the guy is guilty of being a deserter in the least, however I'm not sure if there's enough evidence to prove he's guilty in court.
 
The guy is a deserter during wartime and should be shot, if he aided the enemy he should be shot again.
 
What if Bergdahl simply suffered from a mental breakdown?

Why is that very plausible possibility being all but totally ignored or dismissed?

He could have suffered a mental breakdown, but there's no evidence to suggest he did.
 

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