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Yes they have, and it is scaring the hell out of them.
Consider---------> We have people on this board from either side telling all of us how Trump nor Sanders can get elected.
WRONG! Newt Gingrich and Al Gore can't get elected because they are not running. Donald Trump and Bernie can, as they are in a select group left, still viable, to win their party's nomination. Trump is actually leading his side of the field, and Bernie is not only close on the heels of Mrs Clinton, but the supposed groundswell of enthusiasm for her just doesn't exist. Nevada, the start of her supposed minority firewall, has her in a virtual tie with him within the margin of error. If both of these candidates win their respective party's nomination, then one of them will be the next POTUS, meaning that 50% of the people proclaiming neither can win, will be 100% in error.
It is common knowledge that NEITHER party wants either of these people as their standard bearer. It is all the "levers of power" thing, and as usual, both party's want control of the most powerful position in the world. The citizenry is all for this, as it appears that many on both sides want to "poke a stick in the eye" of their current political leaders. Who could blame them? Certainly not me!
But then again, as with everything in life or politics for that matter, to every upside, there is a down side............maybe so much so of a downside, the citizenry should retake stock of the situation.
DONALD TRUMP------------> Good businessman, used to getting his way, talking of doing LEGAL things nobody has wanted to touch on either side. Yay, Red team.
BERNIE----------------------> Will make this a whole liberal utopia, just like the left wants in virtually one fell swoop. Yay Blue team!
But let us all look a little more closely! Trump is a maverick who doesn't suffer people or ideas he sees as idiotic easily, everybody knows this. It is mostly.........his way, or the highway.
Now Bernie was such a stellar legislator, he could not even get along with the Democrats. (if you are moving left, that is really hard to do, even the left would have to admit that) Oh sure, he caucused with them, but he was so far out there, even the Democrats blocked most of his bills.
What would happen if either of these men assumed power?
And that is 60% of the reason BOTH establishments have their panties in a knot. And to figure out that part of their angst, all you need do is look back to our current President, BHO. When you do this, you completely understand the quandry they are in!
You see, our current President has turned EOs into an art form. He does exactly what he is not supposed to do, legislate from the Oval Office. The reason he was given the power of the veto, was to STOP legislation, as he was the final arbiter unless 2/3rds of congress could over ride. A very powerful position and strength indeed. The Oval Office was NEVER, EVER suppose to be able to legislate. Put forth bills clandestinely yes; through its surrogates in congress, but it had to pass through them to end up on his desk for him to sign it. That is our system of checks and balances.
Not so today! Because of the way we have been governed by both POTUS and Congress these last, certainly 6 years..........we have been herded by a pen and a phone, and congress has just sat there pointing fingers.
So knowing how these two fine gentlemen have governed; or in fact, ran their business.................what does anyone think they will do? Well, "if Obama could do it, why can't I?" Would we be electing a POTUS who would ram rod everything through with EOs, or would we be electing a President who could get nothing through as BOTH party's put their foot down, leaving either of them "persona non grata?"
When you see the supporters of both of these people, it becomes obvious to everyone watching not enthralled, that they, the supporters; are only considering what will happen if they push their candidate through to the nomination and win, not what will happen if they in fact lose in the general............or maybe even win, lol. The establishment has, that is for sure.
And as for the GOP, better pick that horse wisely that can win, and if they win, fills that SCOTUS seat correctly. Imagine, the GOP loses the fight to hold off the appointment, and Bernie is elected..........or wins the fight to hold off, and Bernie is elected. What are the odds the new justice is going to stop Bernie and his EOs?
What if Trump is elected as far as the left goes, and he or Obama replace the justice? Think they will vote if asked to stop Trump EOs?
Maybe the moderators of the next debates for both party's 1st question to the candidates should be, "will you pledge not to use EOs in the Oval Office to legislate." Bet Trump and Bernie both would do their level best to deflect that question; which brings us full circle back to why both establishments have their panties in a knot. The GOP does NOT want to have to defend a President Trumps ideas, and the Democrats do not want to have to support a President Bernies.
The GOP has created this problem for themselves by misleading it's constituents for years, and they have had enough!
The Democrats have also done this to themselves by grabbing as many young people and immigrants they could who are politically naive, and now are unable to control them. They thought they could harness them, point them in any direction they chose, and it would all come up roses.
Welcome to the American political seen, circa 2016. BOTH party's have done our country a disservice, and yet they still squabble about who is better to lead. That is like having 2 piles of dog poop, then asking voters to decide which one smells worse, and which one you willing to have on a 4, or 8 year dinner menu; mustard added for flavor of course.
I have a feeling.........a very, very, strong one, that depending upon who gets elected.........in fact, if ANY of the top 3 get elected, we will have a much more open discussion between BOTH sides of the aisle on an article 5 convention. Don't like the way or path your party is on? Then take power away from BOTH of them, and that is the brutal truth we ALL should begin contemplating.
I promise you that if it is a President Trump, the Democrats will join us to take power from Washington and the Supreme court. Same goes with Bernie. At least that would be ONE good thing to come from this fiasco, and thanks again establishment, for almost forcing all of us to do this!
Consider---------> We have people on this board from either side telling all of us how Trump nor Sanders can get elected.
WRONG! Newt Gingrich and Al Gore can't get elected because they are not running. Donald Trump and Bernie can, as they are in a select group left, still viable, to win their party's nomination. Trump is actually leading his side of the field, and Bernie is not only close on the heels of Mrs Clinton, but the supposed groundswell of enthusiasm for her just doesn't exist. Nevada, the start of her supposed minority firewall, has her in a virtual tie with him within the margin of error. If both of these candidates win their respective party's nomination, then one of them will be the next POTUS, meaning that 50% of the people proclaiming neither can win, will be 100% in error.
It is common knowledge that NEITHER party wants either of these people as their standard bearer. It is all the "levers of power" thing, and as usual, both party's want control of the most powerful position in the world. The citizenry is all for this, as it appears that many on both sides want to "poke a stick in the eye" of their current political leaders. Who could blame them? Certainly not me!
But then again, as with everything in life or politics for that matter, to every upside, there is a down side............maybe so much so of a downside, the citizenry should retake stock of the situation.
DONALD TRUMP------------> Good businessman, used to getting his way, talking of doing LEGAL things nobody has wanted to touch on either side. Yay, Red team.
BERNIE----------------------> Will make this a whole liberal utopia, just like the left wants in virtually one fell swoop. Yay Blue team!
But let us all look a little more closely! Trump is a maverick who doesn't suffer people or ideas he sees as idiotic easily, everybody knows this. It is mostly.........his way, or the highway.
Now Bernie was such a stellar legislator, he could not even get along with the Democrats. (if you are moving left, that is really hard to do, even the left would have to admit that) Oh sure, he caucused with them, but he was so far out there, even the Democrats blocked most of his bills.
What would happen if either of these men assumed power?
And that is 60% of the reason BOTH establishments have their panties in a knot. And to figure out that part of their angst, all you need do is look back to our current President, BHO. When you do this, you completely understand the quandry they are in!
You see, our current President has turned EOs into an art form. He does exactly what he is not supposed to do, legislate from the Oval Office. The reason he was given the power of the veto, was to STOP legislation, as he was the final arbiter unless 2/3rds of congress could over ride. A very powerful position and strength indeed. The Oval Office was NEVER, EVER suppose to be able to legislate. Put forth bills clandestinely yes; through its surrogates in congress, but it had to pass through them to end up on his desk for him to sign it. That is our system of checks and balances.
Not so today! Because of the way we have been governed by both POTUS and Congress these last, certainly 6 years..........we have been herded by a pen and a phone, and congress has just sat there pointing fingers.
So knowing how these two fine gentlemen have governed; or in fact, ran their business.................what does anyone think they will do? Well, "if Obama could do it, why can't I?" Would we be electing a POTUS who would ram rod everything through with EOs, or would we be electing a President who could get nothing through as BOTH party's put their foot down, leaving either of them "persona non grata?"
When you see the supporters of both of these people, it becomes obvious to everyone watching not enthralled, that they, the supporters; are only considering what will happen if they push their candidate through to the nomination and win, not what will happen if they in fact lose in the general............or maybe even win, lol. The establishment has, that is for sure.
And as for the GOP, better pick that horse wisely that can win, and if they win, fills that SCOTUS seat correctly. Imagine, the GOP loses the fight to hold off the appointment, and Bernie is elected..........or wins the fight to hold off, and Bernie is elected. What are the odds the new justice is going to stop Bernie and his EOs?
What if Trump is elected as far as the left goes, and he or Obama replace the justice? Think they will vote if asked to stop Trump EOs?
Maybe the moderators of the next debates for both party's 1st question to the candidates should be, "will you pledge not to use EOs in the Oval Office to legislate." Bet Trump and Bernie both would do their level best to deflect that question; which brings us full circle back to why both establishments have their panties in a knot. The GOP does NOT want to have to defend a President Trumps ideas, and the Democrats do not want to have to support a President Bernies.
The GOP has created this problem for themselves by misleading it's constituents for years, and they have had enough!
The Democrats have also done this to themselves by grabbing as many young people and immigrants they could who are politically naive, and now are unable to control them. They thought they could harness them, point them in any direction they chose, and it would all come up roses.
Welcome to the American political seen, circa 2016. BOTH party's have done our country a disservice, and yet they still squabble about who is better to lead. That is like having 2 piles of dog poop, then asking voters to decide which one smells worse, and which one you willing to have on a 4, or 8 year dinner menu; mustard added for flavor of course.
I have a feeling.........a very, very, strong one, that depending upon who gets elected.........in fact, if ANY of the top 3 get elected, we will have a much more open discussion between BOTH sides of the aisle on an article 5 convention. Don't like the way or path your party is on? Then take power away from BOTH of them, and that is the brutal truth we ALL should begin contemplating.
I promise you that if it is a President Trump, the Democrats will join us to take power from Washington and the Supreme court. Same goes with Bernie. At least that would be ONE good thing to come from this fiasco, and thanks again establishment, for almost forcing all of us to do this!
