Boston bomber refusing to talk after reading of Miranda rights-Thanks liberals

[Lakhota]

Isn't he entitled to the same rights Timothy McVeigh received?

 

[jon_berzerk]

He has Miranda rights whether he has them read to them or not. All that happens if they don't read him is rights is that they can't use anything he says as evidence in his trial.

"they" do not need anything he would say to convict this guy

I don't know the law that well, but it seems to me if no Miranda Warning were given and the interrogators slipped into questions not related to public safety, it could cause problems for the prosecution. Also if there is no Miranda Warning, and the accused gives incrimination information which of course isn't admissible, and then the defense claims that law enforcement used that inadmissible information in their investigation, I think this also might cause a problem.

i would imagine that most of the information the interrogators would be interested in

is any "others" related to this or future events and not interested in him

making a confession

 

[jon_berzerk]

It's not about a conviction.

It's about getting intelligence. He is a combatant. He shouldn't have miranda rights (the right to remain silent)

The Miranda Warning has nothing to do with his right to remain silent. Miranda simple warns the accused that what they say can be used against them in court. With or without the warning the accused has the right to remain silent.

Integrators were allowed to interrogate without the Miranda Warning to gain information about public safety. There was never a plan not to give him the Miranda Warning just delay it. The public safety exception would be meaningless if interrogations are given an open-ended time horizon.

There is plenty of evidence to convict. Refusing to give the Miranda Warning would give the defense cause for objection because of the limitation of the exception. Why take chances on a conviction when Feds had plenty of time to interrogate the prisoner about public safety issues?

The need to mirandize the suspect is to allow any statements made by the suspect to be admissible in court. All this stuff about the need for public safety is all good but anything he said before being mirandized is not admissible in court. Once he was mirandized anything he says can be used against him in court, not that the government needs any statements from him. The evidence against him, without any statements, seems to be enough to convict him and to give him the death penalty.

it could be admissible in court

just not the court he is in

it could be used in other cases against persons related to this

or another planned future attack

 

[aaronleland]

His citizenship was obtained under false pretenses.

He came here not to be a citizen, but to mass murder American citizens with a devastating bomb. Early examinations said the bombs didn't ignite properly and killed fewer people than planned.

He was 8 years old when he came to the US. Chance are he didn't even make that decision.

Chances are very strong his mother made that decision for him. Crime families perpetuate and multiply if they're not halted.

So we strip him of his constitutional rights based upon what you assume his mother was thinking when he 8 years old? Idiot.

 

[nitroz]

Isn't he entitled to the same rights Timothy McVeigh received?

Stupid liberal!

 

[Politico]

I love how the Rightyloons always preach about the Bill of Rights. Unless it doesn't suit their needs.

 

[idb]

Suspending constitutional rights...it's a slippery slope.
Who knows where it might end.

A bit like trying to regulate guns really...a veeeerrrry slippery slope......!!!!!

 

[bripat9643]

Suspending constitutional rights...it's a slippery slope.
Who knows where it might end.

A bit like trying to regulate guns really...a veeeerrrry slippery slope......!!!!!

I'm not advocating that the government violate his constitutional rights. If the evidence gathered isn't used against him in trial, how are his rights violated?

 

[idb]

Suspending constitutional rights...it's a slippery slope.
Who knows where it might end.

A bit like trying to regulate guns really...a veeeerrrry slippery slope......!!!!!

I'm not advocating that the government violate his constitutional rights. If the evidence gathered isn't used against him in trial, how are his rights violated?

Maybe they aren't in that case...but doesn't that run the risk of gathering information that can't be used?
Why not trust the US legal system?
It's worked OK with domestic terrorists up 'til now.

 

[freedombecki]

Miranda warning then silence from bombing suspect - Road Runner

You righties are all about the constitution until it's just a tad bit inconvenient for you.

If your important other, parent, child, or best friend were murdered by homicide bombers, you might be a tad bit inconvenienced yourself, child.

 

[candycorn]

Miranda warning then silence from bombing suspect - Road Runner

You righties are all about the constitution until it's just a tad bit inconvenient for you.

If your important other, parent, child, or best friend were murdered by homicide bombers, you might be a tad bit inconvenienced yourself, child.

Is he considered innocent until proven guilty? Just asking.

 

[candycorn]

Suspending constitutional rights...it's a slippery slope.
Who knows where it might end.

A bit like trying to regulate guns really...a veeeerrrry slippery slope......!!!!!

Only some constitutional rights are worth preserving.

 

[freedombecki]

"they" do not need anything he would say to convict this guy

Exactly, so why the big rush to read them to him? Now he won't talk and we've screwed our shot at an intelligence bonanza.

You really think this idiot would be able to provide some "highly sought after intelligence bonanza"?

One of the two who weren't smart enough to keep the hostage guarded during their "escape" and who told the hostage they had done the bombing? Oh yeah, I'm sure we've robbed ourselves of some valuable intelligence.

You really are delusional.

He really isn't.

 

[freedombecki]

You righties are all about the constitution until it's just a tad bit inconvenient for you.

If your important other, parent, child, or best friend were murdered by homicide bombers, you might be a tad bit inconvenienced yourself, child.

Is he considered innocent until proven guilty? Just asking.

It depends. Eyewitnesses say otherwise. His suicide attempt under fire adds a certain statement. His admission to the crime prior to being mirandized makes another statement. His implication of others involved in the crime makes a certain statement. His shoplifter-mother's "Allah Akhbar" bullshit makes a certain statement. At the bottom line, he is on suicide watch 24/7 and he has been furnished reading materials and been given the red carpet treatment.

Ms. Bongo's "You righties" when speaking of a common terroristic enemy on this thread is a little precocious, and highly indicative of an overly-ambitious desire to bolster such malicious intention against the hardworking Americans business owners are as to split the nation by disabling American breadwinners.

If he is not tried as an enemy combatant, which he most certainly may be, It will only be if Eric Holder is impeached for proliferating terroristic causes with publicizing a trial that would better be handled by a military court.

If you came to USMB to prosper deepening the rift between right and left, your country is going to pay a price for abusing the dignity of people who bring home the bacon so both righties and lefties can have jobs if they are willing to work for it sans biting the hand that feeds them in a prejudicial Marxist design that to date has destroyed many a formerly-prosperous business. Smearing righties for attempting to stop America from becoming a society that parasitizes its own strength is beyond the pale, imho.

 

[editec]

He is a citizen of this nation.

His rights ought to be inviolate.

If you cannot understand that, then you truly do not understand American values/
(Much like out government no longer does, I note)

 

[candycorn]

If your important other, parent, child, or best friend were murdered by homicide bombers, you might be a tad bit inconvenienced yourself, child.

Is he considered innocent until proven guilty? Just asking.

It depends. Eyewitnesses say otherwise. His suicide attempt under fire adds a certain statement. His admission to the crime prior to being mirandized makes another statement. His implication of others involved in the crime makes a certain statement. His shoplifter-mother's "Allah Akhbar" bullshit makes a certain statement. At the bottom line, he is on suicide watch 24/7 and he has been furnished reading materials and been given the red carpet treatment.

Ms. Bongo's "You righties" when speaking of a common terroristic enemy on this thread is a little precocious, and highly indicative of an overly-ambitious desire to bolster such malicious intention against the hardworking Americans business owners are as to split the nation by disabling American breadwinners.

If he is not tried as an enemy combatant, which he most certainly may be, It will only be if Eric Holder is impeached for proliferating terroristic causes with publicizing a trial that would better be handled by a military court.

If you came to USMB to prosper deepening the rift between right and left, your country is going to pay a price for abusing the dignity of people who bring home the bacon so both righties and lefties can have jobs if they are willing to work for it sans biting the hand that feeds them in a prejudicial Marxist design that to date has destroyed many a formerly-prosperous business. Smearing righties for attempting to stop America from becoming a society that parasitizes its own strength is beyond the pale, imho.

Apparently a cop can lean on you in the interrogation room for 16 hours, deprive you of counsel, coerce a confession, and you're all for it? That is what "it depends" means. You must be in favor of hate crime sentencing then...that also falls under "it depends".

 

[freedombecki]

He is a citizen of this nation.

His rights ought to be inviolate.

If you cannot understand that, then you truly do not understand American values/
(Much like out government no longer does, I note)

He ought to not have acted like an enemy combatant.

Maybe what he told the man whose car he hijacked at gunpoint following the crime can clear a little of it up for you:

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BOSTON, April 22 (Reuters) - The suspects in last week's Boston Marathon bombing delivered a chilling message to the man they carjacked near midnight Thursday: "Did you hear about the Boston explosion" and "I did that," according to court papers unsealed on Monday. (Reporting by Tim McLaughlin, Aaron Pressman and Scott Malone; Editing by Cynthia Johnston)

FYI, in 2006 Congress expanded rules for terroristic activities to include considering those involved be tried in military courts as enemy combatants. Those rules are still in effect and should be observed in this case where terrorists planted a bomb right next to two children, one of whom died, and the other of whom lost her leg. They callously used a national sports event to publicize their hatred, and they made us pay for it by living off our public good will with murder, mayhem, and child abuse as their payback. If you cannot understand that, then it is you who truly may not understand American values.

 

[freedombecki]

Is he considered innocent until proven guilty? Just asking.

It depends. Eyewitnesses say otherwise. His suicide attempt under fire adds a certain statement. His admission to the crime prior to being mirandized makes another statement. His implication of others involved in the crime makes a certain statement. His shoplifter-mother's "Allah Akhbar" bullshit makes a certain statement. At the bottom line, he is on suicide watch 24/7 and he has been furnished reading materials and been given the red carpet treatment.

Ms. Bongo's "You righties" when speaking of a common terroristic enemy on this thread is a little precocious, and highly indicative of an overly-ambitious desire to bolster such malicious intention against the hardworking Americans business owners are as to split the nation by disabling American breadwinners.

If he is not tried as an enemy combatant, which he most certainly may be, It will only be if Eric Holder is impeached for proliferating terroristic causes with publicizing a trial that would better be handled by a military court.

If you came to USMB to prosper deepening the rift between right and left, your country is going to pay a price for abusing the dignity of people who bring home the bacon so both righties and lefties can have jobs if they are willing to work for it sans biting the hand that feeds them in a prejudicial Marxist design that to date has destroyed many a formerly-prosperous business. Smearing righties for attempting to stop America from becoming a society that parasitizes its own strength is beyond the pale, imho.

Apparently a cop can lean on you in the interrogation room for 16 hours, deprive you of counsel, coerce a confession, and you're all for it? That is what "it depends" means. You must be in favor of hate crime sentencing then...that also falls under "it depends".

He was an enemy combatant in his thought, word, and deed,, madam. That's the essence of any "dependence" that "it" takes.

 

[freedombecki]

Isn't he entitled to the same rights Timothy McVeigh received?

No. The Congress's Military Commission Act of 2006 leaves the door open to people who take up arms against citizens of the United States.

David Wu(D–OR) stated in the debate over the bill on the floor of the House of Representatives that "by so restricting habeas corpus, this bill does not just apply to enemy aliens. It applies to all Americans because, while the provision on page 93 has the word "alien in it, the provision on page 61 does not have the word alien in it." Wikipedia

 

[Cowman]

He was a US citizen. So cons are in favor of Eliminating certain segments of the Bill of Rights but the second amendment is off limits?

His citizenship was obtained under false pretenses.

He came here not to be a citizen, but to mass murder American citizens with a devastating bomb. Early examinations said the bombs didn't ignite properly and killed fewer people than planned.

Listen to you fucking assholes, twisting things around to try and be able to do anything to anybody, but screaming foul if the same things should ever happen to you or people you admire.

Just look at how much complaining you people are doing about the Al-Awlaki, simply because it's political to you and you think you can use it as an edge against Obama.

Just remember, the same government you twist around to be able to prosecute and interrogate people that goes against the law, will be the same government towering over you.

You people complain about the government so much, and yet you advocate all the things that make the government and other authorities worse for us.