pbel
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Bible Thumping will not change the facts...The Brits or anyone else had no right to disenfranchise millions of people because the Europeans were all culpable for the Holocaust not the welcoming Palestinians...I totally sympathize with your pain...But, if you look deeply at the situation, it was Israel's declaration of forming a State on someone else's ancestral homeland and the displacement of millions of innocent civilians that gave birth to the troubles in Lebanon.
I don't hate palestinian, I am frustrated by their belief in what is being spread and their hate. I am frustrated by the destruction that result from they presence in Lebanon. I'm upset by the numbers of people that have been killed by them and because of them over the decades. I'm frustrated by the leadership and the rhetoric. I'm frustrated by the lack of willingness to take the bold step for peace.
I'm angry and upset but I don't hate the palestinians. I have family that is palestinian from Israel a great great uncle.
I'm upset that I was lied to and expected to parrot their propaganda and it cause some conflict, but I don't hate the palestinians. Even when I became a target, there were particular palestinian I was angry with. There might have been a few I came to hate for specific reasons, but I don't hate the palestinians
You really don't understand. It is not all black and white. It is not an either or. I tried for years to help them. I worked to process the paper work for some to return to Israel through reunification plans. I tried to prevent and calm the violence. I didn't do it because I hate them.
You are clueless but you will believe what you want, you have for all this time. You jumped to some assumption and you just keep blowing it bigger and bigger. You were wrong then and you are still wrong now.
You don't approve of some of my friends or who I grew up with. You ignore the rest of my friend because of your hate. You can't seem to fathom that I had friends that at one point want to kill each other, class mates that were opposing sides of the conflict but in school were even friends. You never had friend that did thing that you disapproved of or at times behaved badly? Friends that for what ever reason did not like each other?
It was one of the oddities of the people that they could be shooting at each other one day and drinking coffee and playing tric trac the next morning. The same person that helped to raise Bashir's children also help raised Dany Chamoun's. I don't know what burr you have in your saddle but you really can't seem to grasp the life, people or politics of Lebanon.
You want to keep playing the jackass, go ahead. You can be the joke if that is how you get your kicks. We can use a bit of levity on the forum.
A hat to suit you. Wear it well.
Keep typing, you are proving my points with your hateful idiocy. You blame the Palestinians for Lebanese miseries when in fact it is Israel hat created the situation with oppression and invasions...
The Jester's outfit fits you well, hateful dummy.
Specific palestinians. You think it was right to be cussing in a bus on the other side of town causing trouble, trying to assassinate a politician coming out of church in Ain el-Remaini, that resulted in four deaths?
You think it was right to kidnap and torture his son? You think it was right for them to massacre Lebanese?
Who should be blamed? Santa Clause?
Was it right to carry out a coup in Jordan? To set up terrorist training camps in Lebanon? To kidnap foreigners? To stage hijackings of airplanes?
You approve of such behavior? Did you have bury the victims brutally killed by those particular palestinians? Did you have to prepare their bodies?
Don't you get angry at criminal and terrorists? Were you ever a victim of a car bomb?
I can hate the criminal without hating the people as a whole.
If the criminal was a kid from a black gang, you hate all people that are black? Do you have all people of that city? Do you hate all gangs? Do you hate that particular gang? Or just those members involved in the crime?
Who should be blamed, Norway, Chile, Eskimos in Alaska?
The conflict did no just begin that april but had been going on for more than ten years, sporadically. It just climaxed that day with palestinians in a area they had no business being in and trying to kill a major leader in the parliament.
Who should I be angry at? Who should I blame? The tooth fairy?
Even when I was on the hit list, I didn't hate the people, but I did particular individuals within certain parties. I hated the situation, I hated the hate and violence. I did not get angry all at once, the civil war did not happen suddenly either. It built up and grew like a fire. It flared and receded over and over till it consumed the whole country. It was another clash, an other assassination, or attempt till it wasn't, till became so much more.
I tried to bring ceasefires and truces, to calm the conflict between differing groups, I want them to compromise and come to agreements. I wanted peace but allegiances were as hard to hold onto like trying to catch a wave with you bare hands. They mixed and churned and reform and ebbed and flowed. Everything was moment to moment, day to day. There were many times when those in the street and hold up in buildings did not know who they were suppose to be shooting at on any given day. I did what I could to save lives and move supplies to areas that needed them the most. I arranged truces that allowed people trapped to move to a save location. Even the most skilled could not stop the madness during that time. I tried, not just because I was asked but because I cared.
Just because there were moment and particular people that I was angry at does not mean I hated all the people who were not involved.
If you can't understand that, you will never understand me.
The Palestinians prior to Israel lived along side you in peace for 14 hundred years.
That was the problem then (1948) and today, especially with Israel's intransience in withdrawing to the 67 Armistice lines that the UN, USA and the world recognize...
After the Palestinians they will boot you out next, they are already torching churches.
They moved to establish a life on land that the Ottoman gave them permission to buy and develop.
Arabs at the time also welcomed them. The British offered them a homeland when they control the land
It was their historic and religious homeland. It was the promise of every jew to return.
Their tie to the land was recorded from africa, to persia to europe. The greeks and romans speak of the jews, their temple and their rulers.
Palestine is a modern creation after the romans destroyed the temple. There was not palestine under the Ottoman or muslim rule. There were a series of sanjuks or city/counties for tax purposes.
The story of the night visit, the dream, came at a time of conflict between the authority in the middle east the authority of the holy cities. They decided they wanted the income of muslim pilgrimage, not just that of the christians and jews. They wanted the trade and spread of knowledge and culture to pass through Jerusalem, which was not on the regular trade routes. Giving it a mythology would bring a muslim pilgrimage. It was politics and money.
You're on the wrong side of History Aris...
