iceberg
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OkWell said, except, I think you should use the term wing nuts or radical Left as there are many moderates, classical liberals, and independents whom you might agree with and respect that would identify themselves as being on the “Left”... so when you say “fuck the left” you are generalizing and playing the “deplorable” game. I appreciate you laying all that out and given how you feel I don't think the way you use the “Left” term is productive or accuratei would hope by now you know - but i did leave it pretty generic.Do you just clump everybody into the “Left” category or do you look at and listen to individuals?maybe.Some might... I think Trump has repelled more than attracted thoughBernie's supporters seem very loyal, in fact so loyal many voted for Trump or not at all to spite the treatment Bernie received from the DNC and Hillary.(interesting twists to this political melodrama)
I'm thinking there's still pragmatic moderate Democrats around but not enough to win an election for Democrats.. Time for them to switch parties and many probably will...
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but the actions of the left repel me more than trumps actions do.
i take people as they come. however in this instance we are already generalizing. "repelled more than attracted" applies to who? didn't see a need to get real deep or explanatory in my reply. but since you asked...
yes. i do take people as individuals. i get frustrated with quite a few who generalize and pretend the worst of either side represents the entire side. but again, human nature, right? in this instance by "the left" i more or less mean the democratic platform and it's leadership today.
pelosi
schiff
nadler
AOC
the list goes on and on. the "poster children" of the left these days in my mind do not have a platform. they have a bulletpoint.
get rid of trump.
their methods that include attack after attack tire me. SCOTUS pick upsets you? call him a rapist and get a circus going. lose an election? blame a foreign country for colluding with the one who won. don't like the politics of someone in your place of business? kick them out and make a video you hope goes viral. don't like the fact you lost via a 250 year old system? demand we change it to meet your needs of *today* OF WHICH you'd never do if you won the election in the same manner. create a fake crime against yourself and blame white people for their hate. it goes on and on and on.
this is "the left" to me.
now i'm sure you can rail on the right for similar behaviors and that's fine. if you can show me someone on the right making up a huge lie and falsifying evidence to get a conviction, let me know. i'll get mad at them with you. if someone on the right says someone is a rapist and has zero proof, i'll get mad at them with you also. closest i can see here is bill and his "pedophile" charges. i agree nothing is really proven but hell, at least we have what, 28 flights to pedo island and he denies he ever flew on those? i'll go by flight records, not someone saying "not me!" but i don't usually rail on bill for that because no, it's not proven. however yes, many on the extreme right call him out for it a lot. i usually ignore the topic because it's stupid.
i have many of both sides of the spectrum on ignore. mostly cause they are "extreme" examples of the side and i just don't care for the ...intensity... the extremes can do.
i see some on the right being extreme yes.
i see the left pretty much being an extreme.
they've been after trump since day 1 and screaming IMPEACH and not caring why. the entire trial to me is bullshit. from what i gather, you would agree to some extent.
if you want to beat trump, first stop playing his game. he's so much better at acting the fool and 2nd grade name calling than the left. just as i'd not challenge michael jordon to 1:1 basketball, the left shouldn't try to outdo trump in the name calling and juvenile tactics.
if you want to beat trump, develop a platform the majority of people want and show why you're better. not try to be worse than him and hope THAT gets you back in power.
we're in an extreme jacked up time that trump found a way to excel in. how he chooses to excel is gaining more interest than what the left is doing. in my mind most people are sick and tired of the trump bashing, and hell, bashing in general. the extremes will always be extreme. but i'm anxious for the time when the rest of us in the middle take our ball and go home.
unfortunately human nature is to deal with the loudest, not the best, people.
so to sum it up - fuck the left.
if you wish to know what i think about an individual let me know. but as a group that is what i see. take you for example. we had great discussions until we got to a point where you'd give someone every benefit of doubt to justify their actions i would never do.
yet when it comes to someone you don't like, you don't do the same. (hillary vs trump here, btw)
that's where our discussions dovetail into an abyss. hillary had tons of valid reasons to do very questionable things. trump was nefarious and that's that.
