Bolsonaro supporters storm Brazilian Congress

[Ringo]

CIA, as usual...
A former US intelligence official has confirmed that the shambolic Maidan remix staged in Brasilia on 8 January was a CIA operation, and linked it to the recent attempts at color revolution in Iran.

Why the CIA attempted a ‘Maidan uprising’ in Brazil

hello world this is a new article

thecradle.co

 

[Ringo]

England said they stole Venezuela's gold because they couldn't figure out whether Maduro or Guaido were the real president.
So now that Guaido's gone, are they giving the gold back?

 

[Polishprince]

Brazil Congress: Lula vows to punish supporters of Bolsonaro after riot

Police take back control of Brazil's Congress and Supreme Court after they are overrun by protesters.

www.bbc.co.uk

What kind of banana republic shit is this ?
Thank God it couldnt happen in the developed world.

The authorities should have shot a few of them Babbett style.

Its just the people reacting against an attempted socialist takeover in the tremendous country of Brazil. I guess the "authorities" could have shot thousands like they did in Tiananmen Square. But would these guards in Brazil actually shoot their fellow Brazilians?

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Its just the people reacting against an attempted socialist takeover in the tremendous country of Brazil. I guess the "authorities" could have shot thousands like they did in Tiananmen Square. But would these guards in Brazil actually shoot their fellow Brazilians?

What f*cking “socialist takeover” of Brazil? Are you at all aware that Brazil is an utterly capitalist, socially conservative and religious country — which Lula previously was President of for eight years from 2003 to 2011? That during Lula’s successful presidency Brazilian GDP and capitalist production increased dramatically? You nutcases think every democratic socialist who defends institutional republicanism is a “communist” dictator and then use that fantasy as an excuse to defend coup attempts and outright rightwing military dictatorships!

Guess what, “Polishprince”? You obviously know nothing about either Brazil or Lula, nor understand anything about the different kinds of popular, progressive and social-democratic struggles in South America.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

The Lula government is apparently acting fairly decisively against those who participated in the violent coup attempt in Brasilia last week, perhaps because it is aware of just how dangerous the threat to democracy is in Brazil.

Plans for huge rightwing national “Lula Election Denial” protests fizzled as demonstrators apparently felt intimidated after the quick mass arrests of those involved in the Brasilia riots and building seizures. Several security officials have already been fired and more investigations are underway.

“Pro-Bolsonaro 'mega-protest' fizzles out amid tightened security in Brazil”

https://www.france24.com/en/america...ty-as-bolsonaro-supporters-vow-fresh-protests



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[Polishprince]

The Lula government is apparently acting fairly decisively against those who participated in the violent coup attempt in Brasilia last week, perhaps because it is aware of just how dangerous the threat to democracy is in Brazil.

Plans for huge rightwing national “Lula Election Denial” protests fizzled as demonstrators apparently felt intimidated after the quick mass arrests of those involved in the Brasilia riots and building seizures. Several security officials have already been fired and more investigations are underway.

“Pro-Bolsonaro 'mega-protest' fizzles out amid tightened security in Brazil”

Pro-Bolsonaro 'mega-protest' fizzles out amid tightened security in Brazil



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How are you libs- most of whom couldn't find Brazil on a map much less have ever been there- so certain that Lula won legitimately?

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

How are you libs- most of whom couldn't find Brazil on a map much less have ever been there- so certain that Lula won legitimately?

I have no doubts. The polls universally put Lula ahead early on, though the race did get closer over time. Bolsonaro was the incumbent, with all the advantages incumbency provides in corrupt Brazil, and he also had the support of big money too. He paid a price for being President throughout the Covid crisis — which he did very little to ameliorate. He openly supported the 21-year military dictatorship in Brazil from 1964-1985. Did you?

By the way I have immediate family living in Chile and an American brother who travels the Continent on business and pays attention to these matters. Also I’ve followed events in Brazil as carefully as I could (not speaking Portuguese but only Spanish — now quite poorly). I’m also not your typical “lib.” I’ve also myself traveled many times in large and small countries of Central and Latin America.

There is zero reason to believe the election results were fraudulent. But it is certainly true the country is deeply divided, and large sections of the right have been turned into paranoid hysterics believing in “Liberal / Communist conspiracies” by the disgraceful “fear-mongering” of Bolsonaro.

But keep dreaming. I’m sure it is very comforting for you to believe in rightwing “Big Lies” from Trump … and now Bolsonaro too. It is a terrible thing to do, however, if you actually believe in democratic and inclusive government — and the peaceful transition of power that must go along with it.

 

[SavannahMann]

How are you libs- most of whom couldn't find Brazil on a map much less have ever been there- so certain that Lula won legitimately?

Well. I look to the experts who were there.

What international observers said about the first round of elections in Brazil

Election Observation Missions and other international actors that monitored the ballot cited transparency, efficiency and security as positive points

www.conectas.org

They found an honest and well run election.

As another poster put, the pre election polls said Lula would win.

But let’s look at it. The people claiming fraud don’t have any proof, or anything but wild theories. What is obvious to me is that they are abysmally bad losers.

I was talking to the wife not long ago. I told her the Internet was the best and worst thing that has happened. With it you can seek out new knowledge. See things that would be beyond your abilities otherwise. Access history, science, and entertainment that was unimaginable when we were younger.

It is the worst because you can find insanity in equal amounts. Bias and inaccurate information is reinforced instead of corrected. Truth and fact are trampled in favor of wild conspiracy theories. Ignorance is cheered while intelligence is demonized.

Imagine the Manhattan Project today. Voices raised in protest of so many Jews building a doomsday device. Nefarious plans “leaked” to certain people revealing the real plans. None of which would be true.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Well. I look to the experts who were there.

What international observers said about the first round of elections in Brazil

Election Observation Missions and other international actors that monitored the ballot cited transparency, efficiency and security as positive points

www.conectas.org

They found an honest and well run election.

As another poster put, the pre election polls said Lula would win.

But let’s look at it. The people claiming fraud don’t have any proof, or anything but wild theories. What is obvious to me is that they are abysmally bad losers.

I was talking to the wife not long ago. I told her the Internet was the best and worst thing that has happened. With it you can seek out new knowledge. See things that would be beyond your abilities otherwise. Access history, science, and entertainment that was unimaginable when we were younger.

It is the worst because you can find insanity in equal amounts. Bias and inaccurate information is reinforced instead of corrected. Truth and fact are trampled in favor of wild conspiracy theories. Ignorance is cheered while intelligence is demonized.

Imagine the Manhattan Project today. Voices raised in protest of so many Jews building a doomsday device. Nefarious plans “leaked” to certain people revealing the real plans. None of which would be true.

Excellent link and comment! We should all be clear that “Bolsonaro-ism,” (as popular as he is / was) represented a “throwback,” an open rejection of Constitutionalism and the idea of basic rights protected by law.

This concept of rights preserved and guaranteed by law was created in Brazil by compromises between broad & diverse parties and groups in society after the 21-year military dictatorship. The new Constitution of Brazil written in 1986 was an extraordinarily inclusive one, and most parts of it can be changed with only a 60% vote in Congress.

The present degeneration of Brazilian politics has complex causes, but we must remember that the wholesale rejection of Constitutionalism itself that Bolsonaro throughout his entire career embodied (shades of Trump’s one day talk of “terminating” our own basic law) … is something utterly unacceptable.

There are crucial reforms needed in Brazil, one of the most unequal and fractured major societies in the world. It is certainly unlikely that the alliance of the many quarreling political parties that allowed for Lula’s election will last or be able to rise to the occasion. But “Bolsonaroism” at least has suffered a major defeat after this massive if ineffective “citizen revolt,” and there is at least the possibility now that new emerging economic, social & political forces will find their way into bolstering healthier choices for the future.

 

[HeyNorm]

that was pathetic. surely you can do better than that?

It was pathetic, but no, he can’t do better.

 

[bripat9643]

Well. I look to the experts who were there.

What international observers said about the first round of elections in Brazil

Election Observation Missions and other international actors that monitored the ballot cited transparency, efficiency and security as positive points

www.conectas.org

They found an honest and well run election.

As another poster put, the pre election polls said Lula would win.

But let’s look at it. The people claiming fraud don’t have any proof, or anything but wild theories. What is obvious to me is that they are abysmally bad losers.

I was talking to the wife not long ago. I told her the Internet was the best and worst thing that has happened. With it you can seek out new knowledge. See things that would be beyond your abilities otherwise. Access history, science, and entertainment that was unimaginable when we were younger.

It is the worst because you can find insanity in equal amounts. Bias and inaccurate information is reinforced instead of corrected. Truth and fact are trampled in favor of wild conspiracy theories. Ignorance is cheered while intelligence is demonized.

Imagine the Manhattan Project today. Voices raised in protest of so many Jews building a doomsday device. Nefarious plans “leaked” to certain people revealing the real plans. None of which would be true.

"international observers" means a gang of leftists, and they are as crooked as the day is long. Jimmy Carter claimed the election in Nicaragua was legitimate, and we all know that was a big fat lie.

 

[SavannahMann]

"international observers" means a gang of leftists, and they are as crooked as the day is long. Jimmy Carter claimed the election in Nicaragua was legitimate, and we all know that was a big fat lie.

Interesting. It’s a trend. If you like the results then the election was fair. If you don’t they cheated.

I don’t suppose you have a family history of mobsters in Las Vegas do you? They had a similar attitude. If the house won, the game was fair. If the player won, he must be cheating. Beat him. Kill him. Dump him in the desert.

People who won and would attract notice if they were killed were blacklisted. Prohibited from entering the casinos again. A gaming establishment that didn’t want professionals involved in gambling.

It’s interesting isn’t it? You can’t explain how they cheated. Those dirty leftists. You just need to believe they did. I wonder if you know why you need to believe this?

If those dirty leftists cheated. Than your ideals. Your values. Your beliefs are the same as the majority. You aren’t in the fringe. You aren’t in the minority. A majority of the people believe as you do, so your beliefs must be right.

You need to believe the other side cheated. You need to believe that because the alternative is that a majority do not think as you do. They are not filled with the same hatred as you are. You are the minority. And that might mean you are wrong.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

BRASÍLIA — As security forces cleared supporters of defeated former president Jair Bolsonaro from Brazil’s Congress, presidential palace and Supreme Court last Sunday, the insurrectionists retreated to a place they had made their sanctuary: the lawn outside the national headquarters of the army.

The bolsonaristas had camped [there] since the right-wing leader’s October election loss to Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva. They, like Bolsonaro himself, refused to recognize Lula’s victory, even after the leftist was sworn in Jan. 1. For weeks, they had called on the military to stage a coup to keep Bolsonaro in power…

When top Lula administration officials arrived at the army headquarters Sunday night with the aim of securing the detention of insurrectionists at the camp, they were confronted with tanks and three lines of military personnel.

“You are not going to arrest people here,” Brazil’s senior army commander, Gen. Júlio César de Arruda, told new Justice Minister Flávio Dino, according to two officials who were present.

That act of protection, which Lula administration officials say gave hundreds of insurrectionists time to escape arrest, is one of several indications of a troubling pattern that authorities are now investigating as evidence of alleged collusion between military and police officials and the thousands of rioters who invaded the institutions at the heart of Brazil …

— from a pay-walled report in the Jan. 14th Washington Post

 

[odanny]

And of course he is welcome to speak at CPAC.

I'll take "What Bolsonaro and Trump have in common" for $500.

Brazil's Bolsonaro says 'mission still not over' in speech to US CPAC

Former Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro said on Saturday his mission was "still not over" after leading Latin America's largest country for one term, indicating he could be planning a potential fresh run in 2026.

www.reuters.com

 

[JimH52]

And of course he is welcome to speak at CPAC.

I'll take "What Bolsonaro and Trump have in common" for $500.

Brazil's Bolsonaro says 'mission still not over' in speech to US CPAC

Former Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro said on Saturday his mission was "still not over" after leading Latin America's largest country for one term, indicating he could be planning a potential fresh run in 2026.

www.reuters.com

Both Liars.