Boasberg’s Judicial Coup Update: Judge Gives President Trump Deadline of Tuesday for Compliance

[Skylar]

TRANSLATION: They just can't leave the country.

Nope. None of the judge's orders prevent Trump from deporting under Title 8. You just don't know how to read.

"Neither Order required the Government to release a single individual from its
custody. Neither Order prevented the Government from apprehending anyone pursuant to the
just-published Proclamation. And neither Order prevented the Government from deporting
anyone — including Plaintiffs — through authorities other than the Proclamation, such as the
INA. Indeed, as the President last month designated Tren de Aragua a Foreign Terrorist
Organization, members of the gang are already inadmissible to (and thus deportable from) the
United States under the INA. See 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)."


Try again, this time reading for comprehension.

 

[elektra]

You don't seem to be replying to anything I'm saying. If you believe that's my argument, quote me.

You'll find you're citing your imagination

You agreed they can be deported caught close to the border but not far away. Why

You are replying to my comment, I am asking you to explain. What difference does it make, 1 mile, 50, or a 1,000

 

[Leo123]

Not under Title 50 without a judicial hearing he wasn't. That's what this is all about.

Trump has authority to deport these individuals under title 8. The judge acknowledges this on page 2 of his 37 page ruling.

But Trump doesn't want to use his Title 8 authority. Trump wants to expand his authority under title 50 so he can invoke war powers without a declared war. And designate illegals as part of an invading army of some hostile nation or government WITHOUT a declared war.

All the judge did was determine that these individuals deserve a judicial hearing to see if Title 50 applies to them.

That's it.

And yet MAGA is losing its ******* shit, babbling about 'coups', and 'lawfare', 'impeachments' and 'election interference' and 'legislating from the bench', with Trump pushing pseudo-legal conspiracy theories that the judges who rule against him are guilty of sedition or treason. With treason punishable by death.

MAGA panty shitting is exhausting. Just ******* appeal like any sane person would.

That's nonsense. Those illegals are a threat to this country and are part of an invading force. Trump has every right to invoke the Alien Enemies Act and any other act he can use to get rid of this human debris. BTW, TDA is more than just a street gang, they huge, organized, multi-national and frankly terrorists. You want to let them in even though you know the danger. Why? Is there something wrong with you, do you really hate Trump that much you'd go along with a Marxist judge trying to stop deportations of illegal, organized, crime syndicates?

 

[toobfreak]

We're discussing the president's authority, not a worthless judicial diatribe.

Scruffy, why do you waste your time? Surely you realize that in every argument with every lefturd, that their final proof, their final argument, always comes down to this:

1. Lefturd: I am right! I KNOW my position is the correct one!
2. Conservative: How do you KNOW you are right???
3. Lefturd: Because I am so much /smarter/ than you, by MY word, but you just aren't bright enough to see how right I am. So my proof of being right is your disagreeing with how wrong I am!

Roberts better tell him to stand down. He's in big trouble already.

Oh yeah, this bozo is DEFINITELY in the Whitehouse's sights now. Donald, he be a comin'.

 

[Skylar]

You agreed they can be deported caught close to the border but not far away. Why

You are replying to my comment, I am asking you to explain. What difference does it make, 1 mile, 50, or a 1,000

I said that proximity to the border has nothing to do with what we're discussing in this thread. As all of the people cited weren't turned back at the border.

I don't think you need me for this imaginary conversation.

 

[Skylar]

Scruffy, why do you waste your time? Surely you realize that in every argument with every lefturd, that their final proof, their final argument, always comes down to this:

1. Lefturd: I am right! I KNOW my position is the correct one!
2. Conservative: How do you KNOW you are right???
3. Lefturd: Because I am so much /smarter/ than you, by MY word, but you just aren't bright enough to see how right I am. So my proof of being right is your disagreeing with how wrong I am!

Oh yeah, this bozo is DEFINITELY in the Whitehouse's sights now. Donald, he be a comin'.

Laughing.....oh, sweetie. There's only one side of this quoting the ACTUAL ruling. And its not the MAGA faithful. They're actively IGNORING the ruling, ignoring the Trump's legal position, ignoring Trump's citation of Title 50, NOT Title 8.

"Neither Order required the Government to release a single individual from its
custody. Neither Order prevented the Government from apprehending anyone pursuant to the
just-published Proclamation. And neither Order prevented the Government from deporting
anyone — including Plaintiffs — through authorities other than the Proclamation, such as the
INA. Indeed, as the President last month designated Tren de Aragua a Foreign Terrorist
Organization, members of the gang are already inadmissible to (and thus deportable from) the
United States under the INA. See 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)."


See, the judge's orders don't prevent deportation under Title 8. Trump can deport at his leisure using the INA. But he doesn't want to invoke under Title 8. He wants to invoke war powers under Title 50, when there is no declared war.

"They justifiably feared that, in a matter of hours, they might be removed from the country pursuant not
to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, but instead the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, a law
last invoked in the wake of Pearl Harbor as the nation was preparing for a world war. That Act
authorizes the President to summarily remove “natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects” of a
“hostile nation or government” when there is “declared war” against it or when it has
“perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States” an “invasion or
predatory incursion.” 50 U.S.C. § 21.

Your ilk lose not because we're 'smarter', but because you refuse to read.

Ignorance is only a virtue in your echo chambers. Outside it, you're gonna need to do a little research and read the actual rulings.

 

[elektra]

I said that proximity to the border has nothing to do with what we're discussing in this thread. As all of the people cited weren't turned back at the border.

That was the point I made. That these people would of been turned back at the border.

At which mile marker do they get lawyers?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Nope. None of the judge's orders prevent Trump from deporting under Title 8. You just don't know how to read.

nor does this address my claim even a little bit

"Neither Order required the Government to release a single individual from its
custody. Neither Order prevented the Government from apprehending anyone pursuant to the
just-published Proclamation. And neither Order prevented the Government from deporting
anyone — including Plaintiffs — through authorities other than the Proclamation, such as the
INA. Indeed, as the President last month designated Tren de Aragua a Foreign Terrorist
Organization, members of the gang are already inadmissible to (and thus deportable from) the
United States under the INA. See 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)."

Try again, this time reading for comprehension.

OK, I removed the words "including Plaintiffs" to make it easier for you:

neither Order prevented the Government from deporting
anyone through authorities other than the Proclamation,

What that means is that trump could not remove those folk, and that they must remain here Capiche?[sp] i.e. the ruling you cited is now your boomeranged and you asked for it

 

[Skylar]

That was the point I made. That these people would of been turned back at the border.

At which mile marker do they get lawyers?

None of them were caught at the border. Again, I don't see the relevance of your fixation of hypothetical turn backs at the border f hypothetical people.

 

[Skylar]

nor does this address my claim even a little bit

Of course it does. It addresses and then obliterates your absurd claim that the judge said they weren't allowed to leave the US. The judge's ruling states, with zero uncertainty, that the judges orders do not prevent Trump from deporting them under INA in Title 8.

"Neither Order required the Government to release a single individual from its
custody. Neither Order prevented the Government from apprehending anyone pursuant to the
just-published Proclamation. And neither Order prevented the Government from deporting
anyone — including Plaintiffs — through authorities other than the Proclamation, such as the
INA. Indeed, as the President last month designated Tren de Aragua a Foreign Terrorist
Organization, members of the gang are already inadmissible to (and thus deportable from) the
United States under the INA. See 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)."

You're literally arguing your own ignorance, refusing the read the actual ruling.

Good luck with that.

 

[elektra]

None of them were caught at the border. Again, I don't see the relevance of your fixation of hypothetical turn backs at the border f hypothetical people.

It is not hypothetical. I do see it is an answer you can't give cause you are wrong.

It is not hypothetical that people caught on this side of the border without a passport, showing that port of entry stamp by the Department of Homeland security get deported without trials.

Caught on this side of the Rio Grande, deported, caught in New York you get a lawyer.

Which law says that they get to stay, just as long as they are not caught right away?

 

[Skylar]

It is not hypothetical. I do see it is an answer you can't give cause you are wrong.

You're not having this conversation with me. You're refuting points I've never made, attributing to me positions I've never made.

I've said, consistently, that your fixation with the 'turnback' distance is irrelevant to Trump's use of Title 50 to deport.

The rest is your imagination, where you're arguing with yourself.

 

[elektra]

You're not having this conversation with me. You're refuting points I've never made, attributing to me positions I've never made.

I've said, consistently, that your fixation with the 'turnback' distance is irrelevant to Trump's use of Title 50 to deport.

The rest is your imagination, where you're arguing with yourself.

Nice dodge. We can deport them in El Paso but not Amarillo

If you did not want to comment on my comment you shouldn't of.

 

[Skylar]

Nice dodge. We can deport them in El Paso but not Amarillo

If you did not want to comment on my comment you shouldn't of.

Again, you don't need me for this. You can just imagine whatever position you'd like for me. And then refute whatever argument you've made up.

I'll stick with my own position: that your obsession with 'turnbacks' has nothing to do with Trump's use of Title 50.

Play pretend to your heart's content. It has nothing to do with me.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Of course it does. It addresses and then obliterates your absurd claim that the judge said they weren't allowed to leave the US. The judge's ruling states, with zero uncertainty, that the judges orders do not prevent Trump from deporting them under INA in Title 8.

"nope" and what part of my post does that address? here it is:

hmmm...leave it to white liberals to get it exactly wrong, they are now arguing that it is illegal for these folks to leave the country...

I can see we need to dumb it down further in the hopes of making it easier to comprehend as per your previous request:

And neither Order prevented the Government from deporting
anyone other than the Proclamation

and be it right or wrong "proclamation" is the judges chosen term...if it still eludes you I can take it down another notch by suggesting you add the word "through or by" between "than" and "the"...
if it helps to correct the poor language intended to hide the fact those folk were not suppose to leave the country I'll do it for you:

And neither Order prevented the Government from deporting
anyone other than through or by the Proclamation

Capiche?

 

[Skylar]

hmmm...leave it to white liberals to get it exactly wrong, they are now arguing that it is illegal for these folks to leave the country.

And who, pray tell, said it was illegal for these folks to leave the country?

Not the judge. The judge was clear that his ruling did not prevent deportation under INA in Title 8.

"Neither Order required the Government to release a single individual from its
custody. Neither Order prevented the Government from apprehending anyone pursuant to the
just-published Proclamation. And neither Order prevented the Government from deporting
anyone — including Plaintiffs — through authorities other than the Proclamation, such as the
INA. Indeed, as the President last month designated Tren de Aragua a Foreign Terrorist
Organization, members of the gang are already inadmissible to (and thus deportable from) the
United States under the INA. See 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)."

Just obliterating your 'white liberal' nonsense. It was quite legal to deport them. Just not under Title 50 without a hearing for each individual to determine if Title 50 applied to them.

Remember, you don't actually know what the **** you're talking about. And you refuse to read the actual ruling.

I've read all 37 pages. And I didn't need more than page 2 to dismantle your silliness.

Try again.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

And who, pray tell, said it was illegal for these folks to leave the country?

white liberals of course...well the ones I haven't spanked yet

Not the judge. The judge was clear that his ruling did not prevent deportation under INA in Title 8.

and he made it equally clear by "proclamation" that his proclamation trumped trumps "proclamation" and he could not take them out of the country

"Neither Order required the Government to release a single individual from its
custody. Neither Order prevented the Government from apprehending anyone pursuant to the
just-published Proclamation. And neither Order prevented the Government from deporting
anyone — including Plaintiffs — through authorities other than the Proclamation, such as the
INA. Indeed, as the President last month designated Tren de Aragua a Foreign Terrorist
Organization, members of the gang are already inadmissible to (and thus deportable from) the
United States under the INA. See 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)."

Just obliterating your 'white liberal' nonsense.

translation: "OK I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THAT WHITE LIBERAL GUILT TRIP YOU HAVE ME ON, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ALREADY!!...GOT IT TOUGH GUY, DON'T MAKE ME COME THROUGH THIS SCREEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

It was quite legal to deport them.

Ahhh, the sweet smell of victory,

Just not under Title 50 without a hearing for each individual to determine if Title 50 applied to them.

in absentia of course, right?

Remember, you don't actually know what the **** you're talking about.

school motto sklyar?

And you refuse to read the actual ruling.

I've read all 37 pages. And I didn't need more than page 2 to dismantle your silliness.

I'd like to pretend that's impressive in at least someway but really who cares

Try again.

ok

hmmm...leave it to white liberals to get it exactly wrong, they are now arguing that it is illegal for these folks to leave the country...

 

[Skylar]

white liberals,well the ones I haven't spanked yet

Laughing....can you cite any of them saying this? Because I'm pretty sure that's you citing yourself as 'white liberals'. You're not quoting me. And you're certainly not quoting the judge.

Remember, you still refuse to read his ruling. So you have no idea what he's said.

For those who don't have your obsessive aversion to reading, judge made it ludicriously clear that none of his rulings prevented the Trump administration from deporting these indivudals under Title 8.

"Neither Order required the Government to release a single individual from its
custody. Neither Order prevented the Government from apprehending anyone pursuant to the
just-published Proclamation. And neither Order prevented the Government from deporting
anyone — including Plaintiffs — through authorities other than the Proclamation, such as the
INA. Indeed, as the President last month designated Tren de Aragua a Foreign Terrorist
Organization, members of the gang are already inadmissible to (and thus deportable from) the
United States under the INA. See 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)."

Just obliterating your pseudo-legal nonsense.

Try again, friend. This time, maybe read the ruling.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Look at the demented LEFT so determined to remind everyone that they care more about DANGEROUS CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIENS than they do about the safety of American citizens.
You GO, "skylar" (lol).
Keep posting how much you Marxist ASSHOLES want your TERRORIST friends back.
Keep crying and stamping your feet all the way to the midterms!!!!!

 

[Skylar]

Look at the demented LEFT so determined to remind everyone that they care more about DANGEROUS CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIENS than they do about the safety of American citizens.
You GO, "skylar" (lol).
Keep posting how much you Marxist ASSHOLES want your TERRORIST friends back.
Keep crying and stamping your feet all the way to the midterms!!!!!

Nonsense. The individuals in question were already in custody. They weren't a threat to the public.

You're presenting a false dichotomy. Either security OR due process. You can have both. And we do, thousands of times a day.