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Simply put, there is no black favoritism.

Under SAT-Only Admissions, Asian American Applicants to Selective Colleges Would Gain Fewer than 3,000 Seats Out of 120,000, Georgetown University Report Finds

21% of Asian American students at the most selective colleges would not have been admitted under a test-only admissions policy


A new report from the Georgetown University Center on Education and the Workforce (CEW) finds no strong evidence of discrimination against Asian American applicants in admissions to highly selective colleges. Selective Bias: Asian Americans, Test Scores, and Holistic Admissions evaluates the common arguments made by affirmative action critics and Students for Fair Admissions, which is suing Harvard University and has lawsuits pending against the University of North Carolina and the University of Texas at Austin over their admissions practices.

Asian American applicants face lower acceptance rates at highly selective colleges compared to other racial and ethnic groups, but they are also much more likely to apply regardless of test scores. Even if standardized test scores were the only factor considered in admissions, the Asian American share of enrollment at selective colleges would increase by no more than 2 percentage points. The data do not support the claim that selective colleges adjust the number of Asian American students they admit to maintain a long-term racial balance of students.

“If we used test-based merit as the singular admissions requirement, the gain for Asian American applicants would be marginal,” CEW Director and lead author Anthony P. Carnevale said. “But on the flip side, 21% of Asian American applicants who were previously admitted would no longer qualify.”


Summary​


Selective Bias: Asian Americans, Test Scores, and Holistic Admissions evaluates the common arguments made by affirmative action critics and Students for Fair Admissions, which is suing Harvard University and has lawsuits pending against the University of North Carolina and the University of Texas at Austin over their admissions practices. The report finds no strong evidence of discrimination against Asian American applicants in admissions to highly selective colleges.

Court Cases Allege That Asian American Applicants are Held to an Unfair Standard​


Critics claim that if colleges considered only academic merit, Asian American applicants would gain a greater number of seats. SFFA and other affirmative action critics often base their allegations on three factors:
  • stagnant enrollment shares for Asian American students
  • relatively low acceptance rates of Asian American applicants
  • differences in SAT scores between Asian American and non–Asian American students at the most selective colleges.

The Asian American Enrollment Share at the Most Selective Colleges Has Remained Stable Over the Past Decade​


The enrollment share of Asian American and Pacific Islander students at Harvard and at the 90 other most selective colleges has kept pace with their growing share of the four-year college-going population. In fact, the Asian American and Pacific Islander share of enrollments at the most selective colleges grew by 4 percentage points even while their enrollment share at all four-year colleges grew by just 2 percentage points between 1999 and 2018.

Asian American Students are More Likely to Apply to Highly Selective Colleges Regardless of Test Scores​


Among students who scored 1300 or above on the SAT, 65% of Asian American students applied to one of the most selective colleges in the country, compared to 50% of non–Asian American students. And among students who scored below 1300, 12% of Asian American students took a chance and applied to one of the most selective colleges, compared to only 5% of non–Asian American students. Since more Asian American students apply to selective colleges, they are more likely to be denied a seat, which is not evidence of bias.

(Let's stop right here. Asians are applying to schoools they would not qualify for based on SAT scores and people are talking about discrimination against Asians and black favoritism.)

There is no black favoritism.

MYTHS ABOUT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION


The only way to create a color-blind society is to adopt color-blind policies.

Although this assertion sounds intuitively plausible, the reality is that color-blind policies often put racial minorities at a disadvantage. For instance, all else being equal, color-blind seniority systems tend to protect White workers against job layoffs, because senior employees are usually White (Ezorsky, 1991). Likewise, color-blind college admissions favor White students because of their earlier educational advantages. Unless pre-existing inequities are corrected or otherwise taken into account, color-blind policies do not correct racial injustice—they reinforce it.

Affirmative action may have been necessary 30 years ago, but the playing field is fairly level today.

Despite the progress that has been made, the playing field is far from level. Women continue to earn 70 cents for every male dollar. Black people continue to have twice the unemployment rate of White people, half the median family income, and half the proportion who attend four years or more of college. In fact, without affirmative action the percentage of Black students on many campuses would drop below 2%. This would effectively choke off Black access to higher education and severely restrict progress toward racial equality.

A large percentage of White workers will lose out if affirmative action is continued.

Government statistics do not support this myth. According to the Commerce Department, there are fewer than 2 million unemployed Black civilians and more than 100 million employed White civilians (U.S. Bureau of the Census, 1994). Thus, even if every unemployed Black worker were to displace a White worker, less than 2 percent of Whites would be affected. Furthermore, affirmative action pertains only to job-qualified applicants, so the actual percentage of affected Whites would be a fraction of 1 percent. The main sources of job loss among White workers have to do with factory relocations and labor contracting outside the United States, computerization and automation, and corporate downsizing (Ivins, 1995).

If Jewish and Asian Americans can rapidly advance economically, African Americans should be able to do the same.

This comparison ignores the unique history of discrimination against Black people in America. As historian Roger Wilkins has pointed out, Blacks have a 375-year history on this continent: 245 involving slavery, 100 involving legalized discrimination, and only 30 involving anything else (Wilkins, 1995). Jews and Asians, on the other hand, have immigrated to North America—often as doctors, lawyers, professors, entrepreneurs, and so forth. Moreover, European Jews are able to function as part of the White majority. To expect Blacks to show the same upward mobility as Jews and Asians is to deny the historical and social reality that Black people face.

You can't cure discrimination with discrimination.

The problem with this myth is that it uses the same word—discrimination—to describe two very different things. Job discrimination is grounded in prejudice and exclusion, whereas affirmative action is an effort to overcome prejudicial treatment through inclusion. The most effective way to cure society of exclusionary practices is to make special efforts at inclusion, which is exactly what affirmative action does.

Affirmative action is nothing more than an attempt at social engineering by liberal Democrats.

In truth, affirmative action programs have spanned seven different presidential administrations—four Republican and three Democratic. Although the originating document of affirmative action was President Johnson's Executive Order 11246, the policy was significantly expanded in 1969 by President Nixon and then Secretary of Labor George Schultz. President Bush also enthusiastically signed the Civil Rights Act of 1991, which formally endorsed the principle of affirmative action. Thus, despite the current split along party lines, affirmative action has traditionally enjoyed the support of Republicans as well as Democrats.

Myth #10: Support for affirmative action means support for preferential selection procedures that favor unqualified candidates over qualified candidates.

Actually, most supporters of affirmative action oppose this type of preferential selection. Preferential selection procedures can be ordered along the following continuum:

Selection among equally qualified candidates.
Selection among comparable candidates
Selection among unequal candidates.

Selection among qualified and unqualified candidates. The strongest form of preferential selection occurs when unqualified female or minority members are chosen over other candidates who are qualified. Although affirmative action is sometimes mistakenly equated with this form of preferential treatment, federal regulations explicitly prohibit affirmative action programs in which unqualified or unneeded employees are hired.


There is no black favoritism. The claim is a hoax used to race bait.
 
Grades and scores that would have 80% of black applicants admitted to med school are only good enough for less than 30% for Asians and whites.

And grades and scores that are so mediocre that only 8% of whites and 5% of Asians get accepted to medical school have MORE THAN HALF of blacks admitted.

 
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Grades and scores that would have 80% of black applicants admitted to med school are only good enough for less than 30% for Asians and whites.

And grades and scores that are so mediocre that only 8% of whites and 5% of Asians get accepted to medical school have MORE THAN HALF of blacks admitted.

Try not using garbage from the American Enterprise Institute.
 

When Obtaining Tenure, Black Women Have Never Been Underqualified, But Have Always Been Overlooked​


 

Experts say framing affirmative action as anti-Asian bias is 'dangerous'

“This is an old tactic in white supremacy’s playbook and should not be allowed to succeed,” one scholar said.

After the Supreme Court announced Monday that it will hear the affirmative action cases against Harvard and the University of North Carolina, experts are cautioning against the framing of race-conscious admissions as a form of anti-Asian hate — a tactic that’s been employed by conservatives.

A number of Republican members of Congress, anti-affirmative action groups and others have in recent months conflated the race-conscious policy with the anti-Asian racism and pandemic-fueled violence against Asians. The comparisons, experts said, could not only jeopardize affirmative action, which has historically helped minority groups including those of Asian descent, but also undercut the call to mitigate the very real Covid-related racism being directed at Asian Americans.

“They weaponize concerns about anti-Asian attacks and violence against other minorities,” said Janelle Wong, a professor of American Studies at the University of Maryland, College Park. “This is an old tactic in white supremacy’s playbook and should not be allowed to succeed.”

Asians get affirmative Action. Pacific Islanders get Affirmative Action. Hispanics get Affirmative Action. Handicapped whites get affirmative Action. White women get Affirmative Action. Native Americans get Affirmative Action. Why is this one person only singling out blacks and doing so using racially biased white right wing garbage?


There is no black favoritism.
 
1) Says the man ^^^ who quotes Angela Davis, an avowed Communist and former member of the Black Panthers.

2) The chart was provided directly from the Association of American Medical Colleges.
Angela Davis is right. AEI is not.

And you cherry picked one category of college study to claim that blacks are favored in all policies in America.

Your argument is disingenuous and AEI is known for its racial bias.
 
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CHARLES MURRAY​

Charles Murray, a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, has become one of the most influential social scientists in America, using racist pseudoscience and misleading statistics to argue that social inequality is caused by the genetic inferiority of the black and Latino communities, women and the poor.


We know that anything you present will be slanted and not based in fact. There is no black favoritism, that is a fact. And trying to provide equal opportunity is notv favoritism Only the people who have been historically favored make this claim.
 
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Angela Davis is right. AEI is not.

And you cherry picked one category of college study to claim that blacks are favored in all policies in America.

Your argument is disingenuous and AEI is known for its racial bias.
It’s not AEI. It’s data from the AAMC, and it gives a broad and sweeping picture of how biased medical schools are in favor of blacks.

And data doesn’t have a “racial bias.”
 
It’s not AEI. It’s data from the AAMC, and it gives a broad and sweeping picture of how biased medical schools are in favor of blacks.

And data doesn’t have a “racial bias.”
It's an article from AEI, an institute full of people who promote theories of black and hispanic racial inferiority. The study does not consider the many other factors that go into admission other than testcsciotres. And if you actually worked in admissions, you would know that test scores are only 1 of many considerations.
 
It's an article from AEI, an institute full of people who promote theories of black and hispanic racial inferiority. The study does not consider the many other factors that go into admission other than testcsciotres. And if you actually worked in admissions, you would know that test scores are only 1 of many considerations.
It doesn’t matter that the AEI printed it. (I know nothing about what they promote.) It is DATA PROVIDED BY THE AAMC.

And what could be so much more important than proven academic ability and intelligence - GPA and MCAT scores - that would justify admitting 81% of blacks while admitting only 29% of whites, and worse….only 21% of Asians? Hmmmm? Blacks have better personalities, is that it? THAT is predictive of success in a highly competitive and demanding program?

Because that is how Harvard explained the big gap in grades and scores between accepted blacks and rejected Asians: the Asians, apparently, are unlikeable.

All a ruse to justify admitting students because of their skin color, and the SCOTUS is going to put an end to racist practices.
 
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WHAT DO COLLEGES LOOK FOR IN STUDENTS?​

WHAT ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTORS IN COLLEGE ADMISSIONS?​

GRADES IN COLLEGE PREP COURSES​

Most colleges will consider your grade in college prep courses the strongest sign of your ability to do well in college. If you perform well in your AP courses, it suggests that you have the ability to take on the college workload. Even if you struggled early in your high school career, colleges will look favorably upon strong improvement in subsequent years.

STRENGTH OF CURRICULUM​

Colleges look for students who took the most challenging courses available to them who performed well in each class. Some high schools don’t offer many college prep classes. If that is the case for your high school, admissions officers will take this into account. They may also look favorably upon students who seek challenge outside of school; for example, by taking community college courses or AP courses online.

ADMISSION TEST SCORES​

Your SAT and/or ACT scores might count highly if the college requires or accepts them. Many colleges are now test optional, test flexible, or test blind. Scores from AP tests and the International Baccalaureate (IB) exams may also be important, especially to more selective colleges. To best prepare for your tests take a college test prep course or buy a prep book. This will help you study and determine the best way for you to conquer your test and receive the best score possible.

GRADES IN ALL COURSES​

Your overall GPA also serves as an indicator of your academic success in high school. Colleges may look at your transcript to get an idea of how you performed in your classes. A transcript is a list of every class taken throughout high school and the grade received in each class. Some colleges will also look at the types of classes you took in high school and note whether you took honors and AP courses if they were available.

HOW TO GET INTO A GOOD COLLEGE: THE NEXT MOST IMPORTANT FACTORS​

EXTRACURRICULAR COMMITMENT​

Colleges pay attention to your involvement in extracurricular activities. But what counts most to colleges is how long and how deeply you have been committed to one or two of those interests. This could be sports, clubs, music groups, or various other activities. They take into account the leadership roles you have held, what you accomplished, and how much time you committed to the activity.

LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION​

Many colleges require recommendation letters from your teachers and high school counselor. Other colleges may require additional letters from individuals who know you well and can provide insight into your academic abilities, character, and personality.

ESSAY OR WRITING SAMPLE​

Many colleges will ask you to submit an essay or personal statement and some will require you to answer additional questions with shorter essays. Here is your opportunity to put your personality into your application. A well-written essay can tip a decision in your favor and a poorly written one can do the opposite.

DEMONSTRATED INTEREST​

Going on a college visit, talking with admission officers, or doing an enthusiastic interview can call attention to how much you really want to attend. Applying for an early decision may also make a good impression.

CLASS RANK​

Colleges that use this factor want to see how much competition high school students had to face to achieve rank. Fewer and fewer colleges are giving class rank much importance. According to the NACAC, fewer than half of high schools now track class rank.

PERSONAL QUALITIES​

Some colleges look for signs of certain personal traits -- such as curiosity, social consciousness, or persistence -- that they feel help students succeed in college. You might be able to get an idea of which traits your colleges value by reviewing their admissions websites and mission statements, or by asking an admissions counselor or current student what types of students succeed at the school.


WHAT ARE SOME CHARACTER TRAITS COLLEGES LOOK FOR?

1. CURIOSITY

Colleges want to see that you are passionate about learning – not just about a single academic area—but about the world around you. “We want to see the kind of curiosity and enthusiasm that will allow you to spark a lively discussion in a freshman seminar and continue the conversation at a dinner table,” states Stanford University’s website.

2. PERSISTENCE

Some colleges want students who not only challenge themselves, but also who persevere through those challenges, set goals, and achieve them. You might hear this quality described as “grit” or “commitment.” A study by University of Pennsylvania psychologist Angela Duckworth indicates that “grit” might be a more effective predictor of success than IQ.

3. RISK-TAKING

Here, risk-taking doesn’t necessarily mean engaging in high-risk activities like bungee jumping or mountain climbing — it means venturing out of your comfort zone, be it in the classroom or other areas of life. Taking a risk can be joining the debate club even though you have a fear of public speaking, trying a new activity, or taking a challenging class. Colleges want students who are not afraid to make mistakes — and who understand that mistakes are part of learning.

As set forth on MIT’s website, “When people take risks in life, they learn resilience because risk leads to failure as often as it leads to success. The most creative and successful people — and MIT is loaded with them — know that failure is part of life and that if you stay focused and don’t give up, goals are ultimately realized.”

4. COMPASSION

Some colleges also look for students with compassion. According to the Greater Good Science Center at UC Berkeley, “Compassion literally means ‘to suffer together.’ [It’s] …the feeling that arises when you are confronted with another’s suffering and feel motivated to relieve that suffering.” Research shows that college students who show a higher level of concern for their peers and classmates have higher levels of self-esteem and self-efficacy.

Georgia Tech lists “compassion for others” as one of eight character traits it values. Syracuse University states, “You are a strong candidate if you strengthen and support those around you, even as you are working to develop yourself.” UCLA looks for “ demonstrated concern for others and for the community.”

Showing compassion is not just about expressing empathy for others, it’s also taking action to help them. Engaging in community service work, tutoring struggling students at your school, willingly taking care of siblings to help a parent working multiple jobs, or political activism can all be fueled by compassion.

5. OPEN-MINDEDNESS

College can be a great opportunity to engage with people from different backgrounds and cultures and to consider ideas, perspectives, and opinions that might be new or different from your own. Colleges want to see that you can respectfully consider different points of view and that you welcome the chance to consider these perspectives. For example, Pomona College’s website states that it values “an openness to new ideas and rejection of easy answers.”

Critical thinking — another skill that colleges value — requires the ability to consider all arguments and ideas – even those with which you may disagree.

6. SOCIAL CONSCIOUSNESS
Many colleges say they are looking for students who hope to apply their academic and career interests to improve the world around them. “Our ideal candidates are inspired to emulate our founder Benjamin Franklin by applying their knowledge in service to society, to our community, the city of Philadelphia, and the wider world,” states the University of Pennsylvania on its admissions page. Oberlin College says it seeks “individuals who care about the world, who believe they can make it a better place, and who have the courage to try.”

7. CREATIVITY

Based on a recent Adobe study, 95% of admissions decision-makers believe in the value of creative skills. Creativity is listed among the top qualities considered by Duke, MIT, and UCLA and it doesn’t necessarily have to be expressed through activities in the arts. Colleges often look for creative thinkers, problem solvers, innovators and entrepreneurs. To demonstrate creative thinking, you might include an experience in which you came up with a creative solution to a problem or took a unique approach to an assignment.

8. COLLABORATION

Colleges want to know that you can collaborate well with students and faculty, and that you are able to put the needs of your team over your own. If you had a leadership role on a team, it’s important to demonstrate that you were an effective leader of a cohesive group — even if your team ultimately fails. “You might think colleges look for leadership skills,” explained Morgenstern. “They do. But they’re most interested in leaders who bring people together.”

9. CULTURAL INTELLIGENCE

Colleges want students who appreciate cultural diversity and are eager to engage with and learn from people from a wide range of cultural backgrounds.

In describing successful applicants, USC has said “They are interested in the world, in other peoples and cultures, and enjoy examining important issues from a global perspective.”


You keep talking about test scores as if they are the only thing that matters. You have claimed to work in admissions. These are things admissions look for in students and YOU don't appear to know this.
 
It doesn’t matter that the AEI printed it. (I know nothing about what they promote.) It is DATA PROVIDED BY THE AAMC.

And what could be so much more important than proven academic ability and intelligence - GPA and MCAT scores - that would justify admitting 81% of blacks while admitting only 29% of whites, and worse….only 21% of Asians? Hmmmm? Blacks have better personalities, is that it? THAT is predictive of success in a highly competitive and demanding program?

Because that is how Harvard explained the big gap in grades and scores between accepted blacks and rejected Asians: the Asians, apparently, are unlikeable.

All a ruse to justify admitting students because of their skin color, and the SCOTUS is going to put an end to racist practices.
It does matter. The fact is that I am black and know there is no black favoritism. You aren't and argue based on an false assumption that misses all kinds of critical factors. Your claim is inaccurate and that's the way it is.
 
It doesn’t matter that the AEI printed it. (I know nothing about what they promote.) It is DATA PROVIDED BY THE AAMC.

And what could be so much more important than proven academic ability and intelligence - GPA and MCAT scores - that would justify admitting 81% of blacks while admitting only 29% of whites, and worse….only 21% of Asians? Hmmmm? Blacks have better personalities, is that it? THAT is predictive of success in a highly competitive and demanding program?

Because that is how Harvard explained the big gap in grades and scores between accepted blacks and rejected Asians: the Asians, apparently, are unlikeable.

All a ruse to justify admitting students because of their skin color, and the SCOTUS is going to put an end to racist practices.
SCOTUS can’t force private universities to accept people on test scores alone.
 
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SCOTUS can’t force private universities to accept people on test scores alone.
First, we are not talking test scores alone. We are talking about test scores and GPA, both. These two factors combined are highly predictive of academic success.

And what SCOTUS can do is rule that using race as a factor in deciding whom to admit is unconstitutional. Schools will try to work around it, like the ridiculous claim that blacks’ personalities are better than Asians, but these schools will find themselves in court.

it is time to abolish racist practices at the admissions office.
 
First, we are not talking test scores alone. We are talking about test scores and GPA, both. These two factors combined are highly predictive of academic success.
It does not make any difference. SCOTUS can not force a university to take applicants based on those alone.

And what SCOTUS can do is rule that using race as a factor in deciding whom to admit is unconstitutional. Schools will try to work around it, like the ridiculous claim that blacks’ personalities are better than Asians, but these schools will find themselves in court.

it is time to abolish racist practices at the admissions office.
That is hard to predict since diversity has long been upheld as a reasonable goal. And, if race is out, what about athletes, legacy and doner admissions (each of which takes a larger proportion of admissions than blacks)?
 
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It does not make any difference. SCOTUS can not force a university to take applicants based on those alone.
But they can disallow them from using race as a factor because it’s racist.
That is hard to predict since diversity has long been upheld as a reasonable goal. And, if race is out, what about athletes, legacy and doner admissions (each of which takes a larger proportion of admissions than blacks)?
Those things aren’t racist. It’s about money.
 
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