Black Defendants’ “Stand Your Ground” Claims Against White Assailants Are Rarely Accepted

[IM2]

You can't justify this murder.
From bringing the knife, to trespassing, to provoking the other kid.....he could have stopped at any time.
Was his culture partly to blame? Maybe, but these were his decisions and his alone.

The problem with your opinion is that it's not how things happened.

Another white racist who misses this fact:

THE METCALFS DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ASK ANTHONY TO LEAVE OR TO REMOVE ANTHONY FROM THE TENT!

YOUR culture has the problem.

Nothing Im saying is racist. Witness testimony said Karmelo sat down and started trash talking other students. What do you think happens when kids do that in other kids space? But no from the very begining metcalf was called a racist... only evidence being that Karmelo is black and Metcalf is white.
Actual court evidence and student witnesses say, Karmelo brought attention to himself by taunting.
So because I have the opinion.. Karmelo was trying to act tough... and I base that on witness testimony... him throwing a Gang Sign on face book...
You call me a racist piece of shit. I'm only using actual deduction. The other big piece of evidence that one boy got stabbed in the heart. yes its true metcalf had no authority to tell anyone to leave.. but this is what kids do when their space is encroached on. right or wrong it does it deserve getting stabbed.
You base your opinion on what?? Metcalf was white and Anthony was black.. that is not evidence of motive whatsoever. half of the Kids on Metcalf's Schools track team are black... so you want to push this narative that Metcalf saw a black kid sit down and decided he was going to impose racism...

Personally, I think I can agree with those who say Anthony got too much time, the jury did decide very quickly and I could have seen them taking more time anyways. again its just my opinion, but I think Anthony was being also stupid and did not consider the real consequences of stabbing someone in the chest... HE however never took the stand in his own defense so some of what happened in the trial is on his legal team.

Yes your opinion is racist. You, among others, have lectured about how blacks should not get angry because they have used a word, but now Anthony's alleged words justify these whites in walking up to him and starting a fight.

Now you have excuses for kid behavior, but if blacks beat a white person for doing similar things, it's wrong

THE METCALFS DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ASK ANTHONY TO LEAVE OR TO REMOVE ANTHONY FROM THE TENT!

And don't try that he didn't testify bs. He listened to his lawyer.

You made him a gang banger based on garbage you saw on Facebook. You made racist assumptions about him. You entire opinion is bad on racist beliefs about black people. Had Anthony been white, you'd be telling me how he acted in self-defense. The problem in this case was white males who were raised to believe they had the right to impose themselves on this kid, but whites like you don't want to see that because whites can never be wrong.

 

[rightwinger]

The problem with your opinion is that it's not how things happened.

Another white racist who misses this fact:

THE METCALFS DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ASK ANTHONY TO LEAVE OR TO REMOVE ANTHONY FROM THE TENT!

YOUR culture has the problem.


Yes your opinion is racist. You, among others, have lectured about how blacks should not get angry because they have used a word, but now Anthony's alleged words justify these whites in walking up to him and starting a fight.

Now you have excuses for kid behavior, but if blacks beat a white person for doing similar things, it's wrong

THE METCALFS DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ASK ANTHONY TO LEAVE OR TO REMOVE ANTHONY FROM THE TENT!

And don't try that he didn't testify bs. He listened to his lawyer.

You made him a gang banger based on garbage you saw on Facebook. You made racist assumptions about him. You entire opinion is bad on racist beliefs about black people. Had Anthony been white, you'd be telling me how he acted in self-defense. The problem in this case was white males who were raised to believe they had the right to impose themselves on this kid, but whites like you don't want to see that because whites can never be wrong.

Anthony saw someone he knew under that tent and stopped to talk to him.
There were no No Tresspassing signs in that tent.

Metcalfs got territorial and insisted he leave.
When he refused, they tried to physically remove him rather than report it to an official

 

[AZrailwhale]

Anthony saw someone he knew under that tent and stopped to talk to him.
There were no No Tresspassing signs in that tent.

Metcalfs got territorial and insisted he leave.
When he refused, they tried to physically remove him rather than report it to an official

The problem with your opinion is that it's not how things happened.

Another white racist who misses this fact:

THE METCALFS DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ASK ANTHONY TO LEAVE OR TO REMOVE ANTHONY FROM THE TENT!

YOUR culture has the problem.


Yes your opinion is racist. You, among others, have lectured about how blacks should not get angry because they have used a word, but now Anthony's alleged words justify these whites in walking up to him and starting a fight.

Now you have excuses for kid behavior, but if blacks beat a white person for doing similar things, it's wrong

THE METCALFS DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ASK ANTHONY TO LEAVE OR TO REMOVE ANTHONY FROM THE TENT!

And don't try that he didn't testify bs. He listened to his lawyer.

You made him a gang banger based on garbage you saw on Facebook. You made racist assumptions about him. You entire opinion is bad on racist beliefs about black people. Had Anthony been white, you'd be telling me how he acted in self-defense. The problem in this case was white males who were raised to believe they had the right to impose themselves on this kid, but whites like you don't want to see that because whites can never be wrong.

And none of that justifies Anthony pulling a knife, let alone stabbing or killing Metcalf.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Anthony saw someone he knew under that tent and stopped to talk to him.
There were no No Tresspassing signs in that tent.

Metcalfs got territorial and insisted he leave.
When he refused, they tried to physically remove him rather than report it to an official

And none of that justifies Anthony pulling a knife, let alone stabbing or killing Metcalf.

 

[AZrailwhale]

No matter how our black racists and apologists try to twist the situation to justify Anthony's actions, it always comes down to Anthony being where he didn't belong, becoming belligerent when ASKED to leave and making threats to Metcalf and then knifing him in the heart. Every witness, both black and white INCLUDING those called by the defense agree with those FACTS.

 

[Yarddog]

The problem with your opinion is that it's not how things happened.

Another white racist who misses this fact:

THE METCALFS DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ASK ANTHONY TO LEAVE OR TO REMOVE ANTHONY FROM THE TENT!

YOUR culture has the problem.


Yes your opinion is racist. You, among others, have lectured about how blacks should not get angry because they have used a word, but now Anthony's alleged words justify these whites in walking up to him and starting a fight.

Now you have excuses for kid behavior, but if blacks beat a white person for doing similar things, it's wrong

THE METCALFS DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ASK ANTHONY TO LEAVE OR TO REMOVE ANTHONY FROM THE TENT!

And don't try that he didn't testify bs. He listened to his lawyer.

You made him a gang banger based on garbage you saw on Facebook. You made racist assumptions about him. You entire opinion is bad on racist beliefs about black people. Had Anthony been white, you'd be telling me how he acted in self-defense. The problem in this case was white males who were raised to believe they had the right to impose themselves on this kid, but whites like you don't want to see that because whites can never be wrong.

Your opinion is racist because you ignore witness testimony. It was testified that Metcalf did not want to fight.. but because he was white... it Fits YOUR narative.
You ignored the witness testimony that Anthony taunted other students.

My opinion, assumption or whatever you want to call it... I made very clear that it was just my opinion.. I didnt even call it fact. But I based it again on witness testimony that Anthony taunted other students.. had kept his hand in his bag where he had the knife .. the YouTube images are only part of it... but My asmption was that Anthiony was a teen trying to act tough, and things escalated.

Sounds so far fetched and racist to you huh... but YOu without any witness testimony to support it..and you not being there... say that Because Anthony was black and Metcalf was white.. it had to be about race.
Again.. you ignore that half of Metcalfs team was black... but your so sure He focused on this one black kid because he is racist and bigoted. You put race first above everything else, even testimony.

 

[Yarddog]

Anthony saw someone he knew under that tent and stopped to talk to him.
There were no No Tresspassing signs in that tent.

Metcalfs got territorial and insisted he leave.
When he refused, they tried to physically remove him rather than report it to an official

Witness testimony was clear Metcalf did not want to fight.... but he did want Anthony to leave. He gave him a push to make him leave. Now even being the wrong thing to do, you cant really claim fear for your life, self defence because someone tries to make you go. You cant stab them because they do not have the authority to make you leave.
These are important details from the trial.... show some witness testimony that said Metcalf wanted to fight Karmelo Anthony. Even the witnesses called by the Defense could not do that. And there is the problem for Anthonys case.

 

[IM2]

Your opinion is racist because you ignore witness testimony. It was testified that Metcalf did not want to fight.. but because he was white... it Fits YOUR narative.
You ignored the witness testimony that Anthony taunted other students.

My opinion, assumption or whatever you want to call it... I made very clear that it was just my opinion.. I didnt even call it fact. But I based it again on witness testimony that Anthony taunted other students.. had kept his hand in his bag where he had the knife .. the YouTube images are only part of it... but My asmption was that Anthiony was a teen trying to act tough, and things escalated.

Sounds so far fetched and racist to you huh... but YOu without any witness testimony to support it..and you not being there... say that Because Anthony was black and Metcalf was white.. it had to be about race.
Again.. you ignore that half of Metcalfs team was black... but your so sure He focused on this one black kid because he is racist and bigoted. You put race first above everything else, even testimony.

Metcalf did not want to fight, but Metcalf walked over to the tent nd told Anthony to leave when he did not have th authority.

It has been said that witnesses' testimonies changed from what they said to the police initially. So we will see upon the appeal.

You say my opinion is racist but my opinion is based on living black and being in similar circumstances where a group of whites walk up to a person and try to push their weight around.

You want to believe that poor innocent Austin Metcalf did not want to fight and Karmelo Anthony was just at that track met armed with a knife, looking for a fight. That's your racist assumption. Anthony warned that Metcalf boy if he laid his hand on him he would find out what Anthony would do, and Metcalf put his hands on him. Had he not done that, he would still be here. If he were black, no matter how many witnesses would have said he did not want to fight, your racist... would still say those kids started a fight. Teat Metcf the sam way because:

THE METCALFS DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ASK ANTHONY TO LEAVE OR TO REMOVE ANTHONY FROM THE TENT!

So what made him think he could approach Anthony an tell him to get out of that tent? Explain that white man.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Metcalf did not want to fight, but Metcalf walked over to the tent nd told Anthony to leave when he did not have th authority.

It has been said that witnesses' testimonies changed from what they said to the police initially. So we will see upon the appeal.

You say my opinion is racist but my opinion is based on living black and being in similar circumstances where a group of whites walk up to a person and try to push their weight around.

You want to believe that poor innocent Austin Metcalf did not want to fight and Karmelo Anthony was just at that track met armed with a knife, looking for a fight. That's your racist assumption. Anthony warned that Metcalf boy if he laid his hand on him he would find out what Anthony would do, and Metcalf put his hands on him. Had he not done that, he would still be here. If he were black, no matter how many witnesses would have said he did not want to fight, your racist... would still say those kids started a fight. Teat Metcf the sam way because:

THE METCALFS DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ASK ANTHONY TO LEAVE OR TO REMOVE ANTHONY FROM THE TENT!

So what made him think he could approach Anthony an tell him to get out of that tent? Explain that white man.

So what made him think he could approach Anthony an tell him to get out of that tent?

Because Anthony didn't belong in the tent.

So, according to you, the problem wasn't Anthony having no authority to be in the tent it was Metcalf asking him to leave?

I guess that justified the murder?

 

[IM2]

Witness testimony was clear Metcalf did not want to fight.... but he did want Anthony to leave. He gave him a push to make him leave. Now even being the wrong thing to do, you cant really claim fear for your life, self defence because someone tries to make you go. You cant stab them because they do not have the authority to make you leave.
These are important details from the trial.... show some witness testimony that said Metcalf wanted to fight Karmelo Anthony. Even the witnesses called by the Defense could not do that. And there is the problem for Anthonys case.

Bullshit.

Metcalf did not want to fight, but he shoved somebody. That in itself shows he wanted to fight. You talk about how you can't stab somebody because he doesn't have the authority to make you go. You racist SOB. You don't have the right to put your hand on somebody when you don't have the authority to tell them to go. You don't have the right to confront someone and demand them to leave when you don't have such authority. You purposely miss all these things because of your racism.

Yes you can think your life is in danger when someone 60-70 pounds heavier than you starts getting aggressive. But in your white racist mind, only whites can fear for their lives when they see a black person, even when the black person is 140 pounds, unarmed, yelling on a subway train

You miss the most important detail on purpose and are making excuses because of your racism

THE METCALFS DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ASK ANTHONY TO LEAVE OR TO REMOVE ANTHONY FROM THE TENT!

 

[0311]

Metcalf did not want to fight, but Metcalf walked over to the tent nd told Anthony to leave when he did not have th authority.

It has been said that witnesses' testimonies changed from what they said to the police initially. So we will see upon the appeal.

You say my opinion is racist but my opinion is based on living black and being in similar circumstances where a group of whites walk up to a person and try to push their weight around.

You want to believe that poor innocent Austin Metcalf did not want to fight and Karmelo Anthony was just at that track met armed with a knife, looking for a fight. That's your racist assumption. Anthony warned that Metcalf boy if he laid his hand on him he would find out what Anthony would do, and Metcalf put his hands on him. Had he not done that, he would still be here. If he were black, no matter how many witnesses would have said he did not want to fight, your racist... would still say those kids started a fight. Teat Metcf the sam way because:

THE METCALFS DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ASK ANTHONY TO LEAVE OR TO REMOVE ANTHONY FROM THE TENT!

So what made him think he could approach Anthony an tell him to get out of that tent? Explain that white man.

Because he was WHITE and Anthony was BLACK!

 

[AZrailwhale]

Bullshit.

Metcalf did not want to fight, but he shoved somebody. That in itself shows he wanted to fight. You talk about how you can't stab somebody because he doesn't have the authority to make you go. You racist SOB. You don't have the right to put your hand on somebody when you don't have the authority to tell them to go. You don't have the right to confront someone and demand them to leave when you don't have such authority. You purposely miss all these things because of your racism.

Yes you can think your life is in danger when someone 60-70 pounds heavier than you starts getting aggressive. But in your white racist mind, only whites can fear for their lives when they see a black person, even when the black person is 140 pounds, unarmed, yelling on a subway train

You miss the most important detail on purpose and are making excuses because of your racism

THE METCALFS DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ASK ANTHONY TO LEAVE OR TO REMOVE ANTHONY FROM THE TENT!

There you go, calling a poster a racist because they dare to disagree with you. It's especially stupid of you in this case because there is no evidece or testimony to support your claims of what happened.

 

[Yarddog]

Because he was WHITE and Anthony was BLACK!

Heres the quick A.I version when asked Why Did Metcalf go up to Anthony... the answer references witness testimony.
As you can see he was asked up to 15 times by other students to leave... and it was THAT which got Metcalf involved to go up to Anthony. Anthony cursed at students and verbally provoked Metcalf
BUT You want to make it all about Race.. white and Black.... leave everything else out.
None of us were there so we are reliant on witness testimony...

Put up your evidence that it was about RACE.. tell me us what witness testimony said Metcalf did not want a black kid sitting the tent.







"According to witness testimony, Austin Metcalf went up to Karmelo Anthony to confront him and make him leave a team tent during a rainy high school track meet. [1, 2]
The detailed sequence of events provided by student and police witnesses during the trial outlined why the confrontation occurred:

Seating Dispute

• Shelter from Rain: It was raining during the track meet, prompting athletes to seek cover.
• Uninvited Guest: Karmelo Anthony, who attended Centennial High School, went to sit under a tent reserved exclusively for Memorial High School's track team. Austin Metcalf was a junior and team leader at Memorial High School. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Repeated Requests to Leave

• Team Confrontation: Multiple students testified that several athletes first asked Anthony to leave the tent because he was not a part of their school's team. Witnesses estimated that Anthony was asked to leave up to 15 times but repeatedly refused. [1, 2, 3]
• Metcalf Intervened: Because Anthony was not listening, Metcalf—described by peers as someone who was "always leading" and "protecting" his teammates—took the lead to personally confront Anthony and tell him he needed to move. [1, 2, 3]

Escalation to Physical Contact

• Verbal Provocation: Witnesses stated that when Metcalf approached, Anthony became argumentative, cursed at the students, and verbally provoked Metcalf. [1, 2]
• The Backpack Warning: Anthony reached his hand into his backpack and repeatedly warned Metcalf, "Touch me and see what happens". [1, 2]
• The Push: Believing Anthony was bluffing about having a weapon because they were at a school athletic event, Metcalf responded, "You don't have anything in that backpack, it's Frisco". Metcalf then shoved or grabbed Anthony by the shoulders to physically force him out of the tent, which immediately led Anthony to pull a folding knife from the bag and stab Metcalf. [1, 2, 3]

(Note: While the prosecution's witnesses testified that Metcalf was trying to calmly enforce the tent rules against an aggressive interloper, defense witnesses attempted to establish that Metcalf used his larger physical size to intimidate and corner a seated Anthony, arguing the actions were rooted in self-defense. Ultimately, the jury convicted Anthony of murder). [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
If you are interested, I can provide more details about the verdict and sentencing guidelines in this case, or outline the specific arguments used by the defense regarding the physical dynamics inside the tent. What would you like to explore next?

 

[AZrailwhale]

Metcalf did not want to fight, but Metcalf walked over to the tent nd told Anthony to leave when he did not have th authority.

It has been said that witnesses' testimonies changed from what they said to the police initially. So we will see upon the appeal.

You say my opinion is racist but my opinion is based on living black and being in similar circumstances where a group of whites walk up to a person and try to push their weight around.

You want to believe that poor innocent Austin Metcalf did not want to fight and Karmelo Anthony was just at that track met armed with a knife, looking for a fight. That's your racist assumption. Anthony warned that Metcalf boy if he laid his hand on him he would find out what Anthony would do, and Metcalf put his hands on him. Had he not done that, he would still be here. If he were black, no matter how many witnesses would have said he did not want to fight, your racist... would still say those kids started a fight. Teat Metcf the sam way because:

THE METCALFS DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ASK ANTHONY TO LEAVE OR TO REMOVE ANTHONY FROM THE TENT!

So what made him think he could approach Anthony an tell him to get out of that tent? Explain that white man.

The coach had left him in charge. That's testimony FROM THE COACH under oath in the trial.

 

[Yarddog]

There you go, calling a poster a racist because they dare to disagree with you. It's especially stupid of you in this case because there is no evidece or testimony to support your claims of what happened.

Exactly. none of us were there so we are very reliant on witness testimony... but now if we do that, dare to have an opinion.... yeah thats a white racist stance.

 

[Hafar1014]

Actually, it was classic stand your ground,

It wasn't his ground; it was a tent that belonged to the other team.

It is legal to carry a knife in Texas.

Not at this school event.

Exactly

Any black who stands up against whites is labeled a criminal

Especially when they murder them. THis wasnt even close to a stand your ground case

 

[Yarddog]

Exactly

Any black who stands up against whites is labeled a criminal

generalizations are never used to decide a court case though.. actual facts matter. Witness Testimony matters... or should the defense attorney have used your argument?

And your generalization isnt true.

 

[Hafar1014]

Texas law allows you to use force—including deadly force—in self-defense without a "duty to retreat". Under Texas Penal Code §9.31 and §9.32, you can stand your ground anywhere you are legally allowed to be, provided you did not provoke the altercation and are not engaged in criminal activity. [1, 2, 3]

The Core Rules

• No Duty to Retreat: You are not required to back away or try to escape if you are facing imminent danger. [1]
• Reasonable Belief: You must reasonably believe that force is immediately necessary to protect yourself against another’s unlawful force, death, or serious bodily injury. [1, 2]
• Proportionality: Your response must match the severity of the threat. Deadly force is only justified if you reasonably believe you are in danger of imminent death or severe injury. [1, 2]
• When the Law Does Not Apply
  You cannot claim "stand your ground" or self-defense if you were: [1, 2]
  • The Initial Aggressor: You provoked the conflict.

Yu cant respond to a push with a knife. You can push back. Use OC spray. But not deadly force. IN addition he provoked the conflict by saying touch me and see what happens. Guilty go to jail bye bye

 

[Yarddog]

The coach had left him in charge. That's testimony FROM THE COACH under oath in the trial.

I was not aware of that, but as team leader it makes sense.

 

[jotathought]

Bullshit.

Metcalf did not want to fight, but he shoved somebody. That in itself shows he wanted to fight. You talk about how you can't stab somebody because he doesn't have the authority to make you go. You racist SOB. You don't have the right to put your hand on somebody when you don't have the authority to tell them to go. You don't have the right to confront someone and demand them to leave when you don't have such authority. You purposely miss all these things because of your racism.

Yes you can think your life is in danger when someone 60-70 pounds heavier than you starts getting aggressive. But in your white racist mind, only whites can fear for their lives when they see a black person, even when the black person is 140 pounds, unarmed, yelling on a subway train

You miss the most important detail on purpose and are making excuses because of your racism

THE METCALFS DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ASK ANTHONY TO LEAVE OR TO REMOVE ANTHONY FROM THE TENT!

You keep substituting accusations of racism for legal analysis. Whether someone had authority to remove another person and whether someone reasonably feared serious bodily harm aren’t the same thing. I’d suggest not going for your keyboard GED in legal analysis