"Bishop" Romney Urged Single Mother to give up Baby

[imbalance]

Jesus was a Jew lol

 

[Sallow]

The basis for this thread failed miserably so now were talking about Nazis and the constitution.

How funny.

Funny?

What's funny is that every time we have a conversation about this..you guys show your ignorance of both the Constitution, which is in English..and history in general.

 

[Peach]

Some reading material, for those who have never done any:

Amazon.com: The Nazi Persecution of the Churches (9781573830805): J. S. Conway: Books

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"By 1937 it had become clear that the Nazi sate was not to be appeased by Catholic efforts to accommodate the Church and the State in the form of a Concordat, and that Hitler's government had no intention to adhere to its part of the document. Convinced, therefore, that the Church had been in error, in face of the irreconcilability of its teachings with those of National Socialism, in abandoning its earlier opposition to the movement, the Church resumed its controversy with Nazi doctrine, while continuing to suffer from Nazi practice."
pg. 25
"In May 1936 the leaders of the Confessional Church addressed a memorandum to Hitler denouncing the anti-Christian acts of the government. When this was met with further acts of repression, the failure of the church committees to effect a reconciliation was admitted by Ecclesiastical Minister Kerrl, in a report to Hitler. From that time forward the official attitude was that the Confessional Churches was illegal, and its activities were persecuted to the point where they became almost completely ineffective. For specific instances of this persecution, see the following section."
pg. 37
"In February, 1937, Dr. Zollner, the Chairman of the Reich Church Committee, was prevented by the police from visiting nine Confessional Pastors of Lubeck who had been arrested by the secret police. This interference with his attempted conciliation led to the resignation of Zollner and his committee on 14 February 1937."
pg. 48
"On 25 October 1936 members of the Hitler Youth hurled insults at Cardinal Faulhaber as he was entering his car in Giesing, a suburb of Munich."
pg. 53
"On 1 July 1937 Martin Niemoller, Confessional leader, was arrested and put in prison. On 7 February 1938 he was tried before a Special Court in Berlin. On 2 March he was sentenced to seven months imprisonment in a fortress (i.e., honorable imprisonment) for violation of the Pulpit Law. He was also fined 500 Marks for a violation of the rules of the Emergency Decree of 28 February 1933 (originally directed against the Communists) and 1500 Marks for another violation of both laws. He was acquitted of the charge of "underhand attacks on State and Party". As he had been eight months in prison he was allowed to go free. On leaving the court he was arrested by the Gestapo and sent to a concentration camp where he remained until the end of the war."

Nazi Persecution of Christians

"Immediately after Hitler had seized the power, National Socialism
showed itself as an ideology plainly opposed to Christianism. Only a minority
among the princes of the Catholic Church like for example Bishop Berning from
Osnabruck and later Cardinal Innitzer from Vienna tried to show a friendly
attitude towards Hitler."

All true from what I have learned, Catholics were persecuted also. Placing faith in God before the Fuhrer was forbidden.

 

[JoeB131]

So in other words you are one of those hyper lynchers- a judge juror and executioner.

Mitt Romney is a Mormon. He has held elected office and never instituted any kind of theocratic law and yet you JOE KNOW he needs to have his head removed because you JOE KNOW you are right about his motives

I know Mormons can't be trusted. Ever.

Kind of the end of the conversation for me. Of course, everything I find out Willard Mitt Romney kind of confirms my worst suspicions.

Some Mormon really damaged you........

There IS help for that.

Sure there is. It's called REVENGE.

I've been evening the score for 30 years now.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The basis for this thread failed miserably so now were talking about Nazis and the constitution.

How funny.

Funny?

What's funny is that every time we have a conversation about this..you guys show your ignorance of both the Constitution, which is in English..and history in general.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNEWuqY6xzg&feature=youtube_gdata_player]Hitler saying nein in "NEIN"(nine) minutes - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I know Mormons can't be trusted. Ever.

Kind of the end of the conversation for me. Of course, everything I find out Willard Mitt Romney kind of confirms my worst suspicions.

Some Mormon really damaged you........

There IS help for that.

Sure there is. It's called REVENGE.

I've been evening the score for 30 years now.

AKA

A shallow individual

 

[Sallow]

But...But.. Mormons respect the LAW of the land...

Your red herrings will bring you botchulism.

*Idiot*

Well, except for the bank fraud, the polygamy, the raising of private armies, the attempted scession and the slaughter of the Francher party, they are the most law abiding folk out there.

YOu danced around my point, though. If Smith and Young were talking to God, and God said Polygamy was okay, then how can Mormons reject it?

What the fuck are you babbling about?

Why don't you school yourself before you blather shit like this.

Utah War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mormonism and polygamy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mountain Meadows massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Kirtland Safety Society - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[clevergirl]

Adolf Hitler's religious views are a matter of dispute. Raised by a skeptic Catholic father and a devout Catholic mother, Adolf Hitler ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood. In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches he often made statements that affirmed a belief in Christianity.[1][2] Prior to World War II Hitler had promoted "positive Christianity", a Christian movement which purged Christianity of its Jewish elements and instilled it with Nazi philosophy.[3] According to the controversial collection of transcripts edited by Martin Bormann, titled Hitler's Table Talk, as well as the testimony of some intimates, Hitler had privately negative views of Christianity. Others reported he was a committed believer.[4][5]

The fact that a megalomaniac like Hitler took Christ's name in vain does not mean he was a Christian- only desperate faux intellectuals attempt to claim Nazi's were Christian's.

Numerous mad men have took Christ's name in vain in order to lend authority to their views- Nazism was hardly a theocracy.

My thoughts on that.

1) If mad men are abusing Chirst or God's name, why doesn't God do something about it? I mean, he's an omnipotent being. All he had to do was have Hitler choke on a chickenbone.

2) People will try to embrace people they like (such as conservatives quoting Dr. King or liberals quoting Reagan) but they will always try to pass of a detestable creature onto someone else.

Fact is, whehter Hitler himself was faking it is irrelevent. It was the fact most Germans were Christians, and were receptive to his anti-semetic message. Maybe it was the fact Martin Luther published a book called "the Jews and their lies", or the Catholic policies of blaming the Jews for Jesus execution before Vatican II. It wasn't a hard sell for the crazy talk.

Contemporaries of Hitler wrote books on the subject- namely that Nazi's were not Christians- That the Catholic Church initially supported Nazism did not make Hitler or Nazism, Christian either-

The Catholic Church was in gross error to have ever allowed memebers to support Nazism- but do remember, that was prior to the atrocities committed by Hitler and Nazi Germany. The Catholic Church and Nazism

As to what God should do about it- Don't worry your little head~

 

[JoeB131]

So in other words you are one of those hyper lynchers- a judge juror and executioner.

Mitt Romney is a Mormon. He has held elected office and never instituted any kind of theocratic law and yet you JOE KNOW he needs to have his head removed because you JOE KNOW you are right about his motives

I know Mormons can't be trusted. Ever.

Kind of the end of the conversation for me. Of course, everything I find out Willard Mitt Romney kind of confirms my worst suspicions.

I suspect that if you changed your depends and got a new binkey you would feel better about things.

Wow, you know, describing your infantilism fetish is kind of weird, gramps...

You know there are children reading, don't you?

Sorry, I met some Mormons back in 1983, and frankly, what I saw was so disturbing that I put them on a permanent watch list. Now, this was before I ever started actually studying the crazy stuff they actually believe....

But, yeah, back in my college days I met Moonies and Mormons, and the Moonies were substantially less creepy.

What does it say about the GOP that these two whacky cults have so much influence?

 

[Peach]

Adolf Hitler's religious views are a matter of dispute. Raised by a skeptic Catholic father and a devout Catholic mother, Adolf Hitler ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood. In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches he often made statements that affirmed a belief in Christianity.[1][2] Prior to World War II Hitler had promoted "positive Christianity", a Christian movement which purged Christianity of its Jewish elements and instilled it with Nazi philosophy.[3] According to the controversial collection of transcripts edited by Martin Bormann, titled Hitler's Table Talk, as well as the testimony of some intimates, Hitler had privately negative views of Christianity. Others reported he was a committed believer.[4][5]

The fact that a megalomaniac like Hitler took Christ's name in vain does not mean he was a Christian- only desperate faux intellectuals attempt to claim Nazi's were Christian's.

Numerous mad men have took Christ's name in vain in order to lend authority to their views- Nazism was hardly a theocracy.

It's a matter of "dispute" for Christian apologists.

Pope Pius signed a fucking pact with the Nazis.

The Current pope was in the Hitler Youth.

Man..you guys are funny.

There REMAINS controversy over Pius the XII's action, no question he saved many Jews from death:

Pope Pius XII and the Holocaust

 

[BDBoop]

I'm starting to think the only difference between Scientology and LDS is time. And yes; it is very difficult for me to vote in support of someone who has their own "Ground control to Major Tom" religion.

 

[JoeB131]

Contemporaries of Hitler wrote books on the subject- namely that Nazi's were not Christians- That the Catholic Church initially supported Nazism did not make Hitler or Nazism, Christian either-

The Catholic Church was in gross error to have ever allowed memebers to support Nazism- but do remember, that was prior to the atrocities committed by Hitler and Nazi Germany. The Catholic Church and Nazism

As to what God should do about it- Don't worry your little head~

Oh, I never worry about what your imaginary friend for grownups is going to do.

I'm more worried about people who believe in the imaginary friend.

Fact is, most of Germany's Christian Population follwed Adolf Hitler straight into Hell. We could talk all day about what the leaders really beleived in their quiet moments, but the fact is, they never would have gotten away with it without such strong popular support.

 

[The T]

I know Mormons can't be trusted. Ever.

Kind of the end of the conversation for me. Of course, everything I find out Willard Mitt Romney kind of confirms my worst suspicions.

Some Mormon really damaged you........

There IS help for that.

Sure there is. It's called REVENGE.

I've been evening the score for 30 years now.

I see...

You have showed us whom you are...a BIGOT.

Nice going.

 

[imbalance]

Fyodor Dostoyevsky wrote in The Brothers Karamazov ~1880:

"We are not particularly afraid of all these socialists, anarchists, atheists, and revolutionists; we keep watch on them and follow all of their doings. But there are a few peculiar men among them who believe in God and are Christians, but are at the same time socialists. Those are the people we are most afraid of... The Christian who is a socialist is to be dreaded far more than the socialist who is an atheist."

I guess he nailed that one.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I know Mormons can't be trusted. Ever.

Kind of the end of the conversation for me. Of course, everything I find out Willard Mitt Romney kind of confirms my worst suspicions.

I suspect that if you changed your depends and got a new binkey you would feel better about things.

Wow, you know, describing your infantilism fetish is kind of weird, gramps...

You know there are children reading, don't you?

Sorry, I met some Mormons back in 1983, and frankly, what I saw was so disturbing that I put them on a permanent watch list. Now, this was before I ever started actually studying the crazy stuff they actually believe....

But, yeah, back in my college days I met Moonies and Mormons, and the Moonies were substantially less creepy.

What does it say about the GOP that these two whacky cults have so much influence?

The only Mormon of power in our govt is harry reid. And he is leading the democrats not the gop.

THREAD FAIL, GOING DOWN IN FLAMES. SEND BACK UP.

 

[Sallow]

All true from what I have learned, Catholics were persecuted also. Placing faith in God before the Fuhrer was forbidden.

That's nothing new. Christians have been warring between each other's faiths for centuries. King Charlemange went through Europe dragging various people out of their homes and had them swear fealty to his brand of Christianity or loose their heads. Christian Knights ravaged Constantinople while it was inhabited by Greek Orthodox Christians and cooked their children on spits.

Great religion.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The state-sponsored atheism crowd promote the lie that if you believe in God and state that publicly, then you support theocracy.

Incorrect.

There is no such thing as the ‘state-sponsored atheism crowd,’ it’s yet another rightist contrivance.

And your support of theocracy is demonstrated by your very words, the fact that you and other religious fundamentalists advocate conjoining church and State, where religious dogma is codified as secular law all must obey, regardless his religion, or lack thereof.

Most any speech by Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin, or Rick Santorum on the subject is evidence of this, where all law must be ‘bible-based.’

Go back to what our founders and our founding documents meant -- they're quite clear -- that we would create law based on the God of the bible and the ten commandments.

Sarah Palin: American Law Should Be 'Based On The God Of The Bible And The Ten Commandments'

The arrogance and ignorance of the right is currently the greatest threat to our civil liberties.

Birth control is cheap. The Catholic entities do provide proper coverage- They are free, by the their first amendment rights, to not provide a product that contradicts their religious beliefs- No one in forcing said employee to work for such an organization.

Also incorrect.

This isn’t a First Amendment issue, it’s a government oversight issue where the Commerce Clause authorizes Congress to regulate labor conditions such as workplace safety, wages, and working hours. See: US v. Darby (1941).

In this case the issue is compensation in the form of the employer paying for health insurance premiums, which is the same as wage, salary, or leave compensation. The government is therefore justified in ensuring this compensation is offered equally, including coverage for contraceptives.

The issue has noting to do with how much contraceptives cost or whether the employee can afford contraceptives or not, but that there be equal compensation for all employees, regardless the employer.

In addition, the fact that many Catholic employers already provide contraception coverage in their insurance plans further demonstrates this is not a religious or First Amendment issue, since all Catholic employers would be following a consistent policy, which they are not.

 

[JoeB131]

Some Mormon really damaged you........

There IS help for that.

Sure there is. It's called REVENGE.

I've been evening the score for 30 years now.

AKA

A shallow individual

Nope. Just one evening a score. You wrong me, I wrong back. I never start a fight, but I'm always ready to finish one.

 

[Peach]

All true from what I have learned, Catholics were persecuted also. Placing faith in God before the Fuhrer was forbidden.

That's nothing new. Christians have been warring between each other's faiths for centuries. King Charlemange went through Europe dragging various people out of their homes and had them swear fealty to his brand of Christianity or loose their heads. Christian Knights ravaged Constantinople while it was inhabited by Greek Orthodox Christians and cooked their children on spits.

Great religion.

Hitler hated religious faith. The REICH came first to him.

 

[The T]

I suspect that if you changed your depends and got a new binkey you would feel better about things.

Wow, you know, describing your infantilism fetish is kind of weird, gramps...

You know there are children reading, don't you?

Sorry, I met some Mormons back in 1983, and frankly, what I saw was so disturbing that I put them on a permanent watch list. Now, this was before I ever started actually studying the crazy stuff they actually believe....

But, yeah, back in my college days I met Moonies and Mormons, and the Moonies were substantially less creepy.

What does it say about the GOP that these two whacky cults have so much influence?

The only Mormon of power in our govt is harry reid. And he is leading the democrats not the gop.

THREAD FAIL, GOING DOWN IN FLAMES. SEND BACK UP.

And we see what kind of leader HE is...has ZERO to do with the religion...Harry Reid should be thumped OUT of the church for the amount of damage he's done to families with his actions.