Bin Laden is DEAD, thread from Hell

[mudwhistle]

Obamarrhoidally afflicted.

Anyone who uses this phrase ...especially over and over...has NO objectivity...or ability to be fair...or logical. You just see what you want to see and that means the rest of your posts are complete and utter horseshit.

It's amazing that the small dick douches on here that puff up their chest and beat their chests like gorillas think that Jack Bauer justice is what the Founding Fathers would have wanted.

You just can't escape the fact that cruel and unusual punishment was seen as utterly detestable.
But live in your fake macho fantasy world.

Obama has the right to be proud. Of his decision and the people that carried it out.

But don't tell everyone you're not spiking the football when it's clear you are.

Don't lie, go ahead and spike the SOB and stop telling us you're not.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Well, let's see. In the past two weeks our President has a team that has quietly and competantly done their part in a sudden and devastating disaster in Alabama and other Southern States.

What have they done, specifically?

Did they evacuate people during the storms? No? Were they there with shelter, food and water the next day? No?

 

[Vanquish]

Obamarrhoidally afflicted.

Anyone who uses this phrase ...especially over and over...has NO objectivity...or ability to be fair...or logical. You just see what you want to see and that means the rest of your posts are complete and utter horseshit.

It's amazing that the small dick douches on here that puff up their chest and beat their chests like gorillas think that Jack Bauer justice is what the Founding Fathers would have wanted.

You just can't escape the fact that cruel and unusual punishment was seen as utterly detestable.
But live in your fake macho fantasy world.

You are just another Liberal douchebag squirting your meaningless crap that attempts to diminish America and aid the enemy.

You , and the likes of you, are insignificant farts.

No, fucktard. I'm someone who doesnt HAVE a party affiliation. I'm someone who actually cares about the ******* truth. I'm someone who doesn't see a particular president and go bat-shit cumbubble frothing nuts....like apparently you do.

What a maroon. You can't get your head out of your ass and actually look at things objectively. Shame really. I bet there's a brain in there somewhere.

 

[mudwhistle]

CIA chief: Waterboarding aided bin Laden raid - World news - Death of bin Laden - msnbc.com


Enhanced interrogation techniques" were used to extract information that led to the mission's success, Panetta said during an interview with anchor Brian Williams. Those techniques included waterboarding, he acknowledged.

Panetta, who in a 2009 CIA confirmation hearing declared "waterboarding is torture and it's wrong," said Tuesday that debate about its use will continue.

"Whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always gonna be an open question," Panetta said.

"In the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information and that was true here," Panetta said. "We had a multiple source — a multiple series of sources — that provided information with regards to the situation. Clearly some of it came from detainees and the interrogation of detainees but we also had information from other sources as well."




Yes Panetta said at least one scrap of information.


Now does that mean torture is right or even the best method of extracting good intel?


The answer is NO.

All the entities who do this stuff have told us point blank that torture doesnt work.

Torture is much better suited to extracting what you want to hear instead of what is real.

Doesn't matter. It worked in this case so the rest is all academic.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The guy was contained and hadn't been a threat to anyone in ten years.

That is the stupidest ******* lie..

I swear, of all the idiotic bullshit you morons post, that is near the top in utter stupidity.

You should be embarrassed to spew that kind of utter jaw-dropping lie. But you aren't, you serve the party and will say ANYTHING to do so...

This is why you're ******* worthless. Nothing you ever say has merit, because we all know you are 100% motivated by partisanship. If you'll spew this lie, you'll spew anything- which means nothing you post has value.


Nothing.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Who are the 38 morons that believe everything the government tells them?

I guarantee the Ravi, Rinata and bodecea were among them.

it depends on who's running the government. Ravi might, but I doubt Rdean, Chris, Rinata bodecea, Mr. Shawman, Truthmatters, NYcarbineer, Mr Clean, kerrywon ohio, ABikerSailor, edthecynic, rightwinger. would believe the government if it was controlled by the republican party.

 

[CountofTuscany]

CIA chief: Waterboarding aided bin Laden raid - World news - Death of bin Laden - msnbc.com


Enhanced interrogation techniques" were used to extract information that led to the mission's success, Panetta said during an interview with anchor Brian Williams. Those techniques included waterboarding, he acknowledged.

Panetta, who in a 2009 CIA confirmation hearing declared "waterboarding is torture and it's wrong," said Tuesday that debate about its use will continue.

"Whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always gonna be an open question," Panetta said.

"In the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information and that was true here," Panetta said. "We had a multiple source — a multiple series of sources — that provided information with regards to the situation. Clearly some of it came from detainees and the interrogation of detainees but we also had information from other sources as well."




Yes Panetta said at least one scrap of information.


Now does that mean torture is right or even the best method of extracting good intel?


The answer is NO.

All the entities who do this stuff have told us point blank that torture doesnt work.

Torture is much better suited to extracting what you want to hear instead of what is real.

But it appears it extracted real information in this case.

 

[CountofTuscany]

No Doubt.

Now, where are all the calls from The Left to drop prosecution of the CIA agents who conducted the interrogations?

Yes, remember that witch hunt two years ago?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The guy was contained and hadn't been a threat to anyone in ten years.

That is the stupidest ******* lie..

I swear, of all the idiotic bullshit you morons post, that is near the top in utter stupidity.

You should be embarrassed to spew that kind of utter jaw-dropping lie. But you aren't, you serve the party and will say ANYTHING to do so...

This is why you're ******* worthless. Nothing you ever say has merit, because we all know you are 100% motivated by partisanship. If you'll spew this lie, you'll spew anything- which means nothing you post has value.


Nothing.

Saddam was no threat to American security, but it's oil interest is a whole different thread. You can't beat Obamush up for invading a country to get a man that was not wanted for the very reason we went to war and give Bush a pass for invading Iraq. If another country would do to America what Obamush did to Pakistan it would be all out war.

 

[Vanquish]

CIA chief: Waterboarding aided bin Laden raid - World news - Death of bin Laden - msnbc.com


Enhanced interrogation techniques" were used to extract information that led to the mission's success, Panetta said during an interview with anchor Brian Williams. Those techniques included waterboarding, he acknowledged.

Panetta, who in a 2009 CIA confirmation hearing declared "waterboarding is torture and it's wrong," said Tuesday that debate about its use will continue.

"Whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always gonna be an open question," Panetta said.

"In the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information and that was true here," Panetta said. "We had a multiple source — a multiple series of sources — that provided information with regards to the situation. Clearly some of it came from detainees and the interrogation of detainees but we also had information from other sources as well."




Yes Panetta said at least one scrap of information.


Now does that mean torture is right or even the best method of extracting good intel?


The answer is NO.

All the entities who do this stuff have told us point blank that torture doesnt work.

Torture is much better suited to extracting what you want to hear instead of what is real.

But it appears it extracted real information in this case.

"Real" information? What the **** does "real" mean?

Important? Critical? The lone bit that made the whole thing possible? Actionable? Credible? Maybe-possibly-kinda-helpful?

Torturing people does two things: First and foremost it wastes time because you can't trust the information at all. Second, it shreds our constitution and treats people like excrement. Say whatever you want about the people we do it to, but at some point it's going to be done to someone innocent (yer mom) AND it's going to happen to one of our officials/citizens overseas in retaliation.

 

[Ravi]

CIA chief: Waterboarding aided bin Laden raid - World news - Death of bin Laden - msnbc.com


Enhanced interrogation techniques" were used to extract information that led to the mission's success, Panetta said during an interview with anchor Brian Williams. Those techniques included waterboarding, he acknowledged.

Panetta, who in a 2009 CIA confirmation hearing declared "waterboarding is torture and it's wrong," said Tuesday that debate about its use will continue.

"Whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always gonna be an open question," Panetta said.

"In the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information and that was true here," Panetta said. "We had a multiple source — a multiple series of sources — that provided information with regards to the situation. Clearly some of it came from detainees and the interrogation of detainees but we also had information from other sources as well."




Yes Panetta said at least one scrap of information.


Now does that mean torture is right or even the best method of extracting good intel?


The answer is NO.

All the entities who do this stuff have told us point blank that torture doesnt work.

Torture is much better suited to extracting what you want to hear instead of what is real.

But it appears it extracted real information in this case.

What information was that?

 

[Rinata]

That doesn't necessarily mean that the waterboarding was the reason for the information, just that it came from "waterboarded detainees".

He might just have well said that the intelligence came from "detainees that ate potatoes", or who "were under 5'7" tall", or who "picked their nose", or who "had a pet dog", or who "liked long walks on the beach and weepy movies"...

This is exactly right. All Panetta is saying is that we did in fact torture detainees.

From what I understand, KSM was asked the question, do you know this name, and he said no.

I am not sure why the rightwingloons count that as a win.

Thats it you're a lying **** I gave you your chance to admitt it

9:14 in the video start there
At 9:40 he was asked By Brian Williams enhanced interrogation, and that includes waterboarding Panetta said yes that is correct.

CIA chief: Waterboarding aided bin Laden raid - World news - Death of bin Laden - msnbc.com

Interesting. I'm not the only one that keeps telling you that waterboarding was not what yielded the information needed to catch Bin Laden. Educate yourself.

The torture program established by the CIA appears to have played a minor role, at most, in the intelligence effort that eventually lead to Osama bin Laden’s death. From the evidence released so far, electronic surveillance and old-fashioned intel methods were far more important.

Check out the timeline presented by an Obama administration official on Sunday. The trail starts with al-Qaida detainees captured in the early days of the war on terrorism, when the Bush administration authorized the CIA to use abusive methods like waterboarding to extract information. Detainees identified a courier for bin Laden as a “protégé” of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and a “trusted assistant” of former al-Qaida #3 Abu Faraj al-Libbi. And they gave up the courier’s nom de guerre.

Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was captured in Pakistan in 2003, with al-Libbi following suit in 2005. A U.S. official tells the Associated Press reports that Mohammed gave up the courier’s nom de guerre, Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, while in one of the CIA’s brutal “black site” prisons. As Marcy Wheeler notes, that’s not the same thing as saying the 183 waterboarding sessions Mohammed received led interrogators to the nom de guerre. But let’s be charitable to them and presume it did. According to the Washington Post, al-Libbi confirmed the alias as well.

From what we know so far, that’s about all waterboarding yielded for the hunt for al-Kuwaiti.

“One would think that if so-called ‘enhanced interrogations’ provided the magic silver bullet,” writes Jane Mayer of the New Yorker, who’s expertly chronicled torture in the post-9/11 era, “and if the courier was a protégé of K.S.M.’s, then the C.I.A. might have wrapped this up back in 2003, while they were waterboarding the 9/11 mastermind a hundred and eighty-three times.”

Surveillance, Not Waterboarding, Led to bin Laden | Danger Room | Wired.com

 

[Vast LWC]

I have posted in the past that no matter what Obama does, the people on the right will still relentlessly attack him.

I said that if Obama produced enough gold to singlehandedly pay the national debt from his ass, they would still complain about how it smells.

Thank you all for proving my point, to the letter. Well done.

 

[Rinata]

Any person that puts an entire group of people into the same trick bag is very ignorant.

You mean the way you do with Christians, Conservatives, Republicans and such?

I'd explain why, but you wouldn't understand.

Besides, you lost the printout of the talking points from KOS.

Don't worry, you can download what you think from them again...

You're a liar. I don't do that. There is a big difference in people that are conservative and people that are ignorant and hateful and uninformed.

 

[bodecea]

Any person that puts an entire group of people into the same trick bag is very ignorant.

You mean the way you do with Christians, Conservatives, Republicans and such?

I'd explain why, but you wouldn't understand.

Besides, you lost the printout of the talking points from KOS.

Don't worry, you can download what you think from them again...

You're a liar. I don't do that. There is a big difference in people that are conservative and people that are ignorant and hateful and uninformed.

You have to understand that Uncensored thinks everyone works from scripted playbooks. He thinks it works for him...so others must be doing the same.

 

[Vast LWC]

You're a liar. I don't do that. There is a big difference in people that are conservative and people that are ignorant and hateful and uninformed.

You're falling for his for his rather unsubtle trap. By actually giving his BS point any attention at all, you now fall into the position of proving that you don't.

Just keep on truckin'. He's just projecting, to deflect attention from his own ridiculous level of partisanship.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I have posted in the past that no matter what Obama does, the people on the right will still relentlessly attack him.

I have posted before that no matter what Obama does, the people on the left will mindlessly worship him.

I said that if Obama produced enough gold to singlehandedly pay the national debt from his ass, they would still complain about how it smells.

I said that if he cut the head off of his daughter on national TV, they would rave of his loss and sacrifice and the bravery he shows in dealing with it.

Thank you all for proving my point, to the letter. Well done.

Thank you for proving my point, to the letter. Obama Akbar, huh?

 

[Uncensored2008]

You're a liar.

You're going to hold your breath until you turn blue?

I don't do that.

ROFL

It's all you do, drone.

There is a big difference in people that are conservative and people that are ignorant and hateful and uninformed.

The above is meaningless. I suspect you failed to faithfully recite the KOS post...

You are a mindless sycophant.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You have to understand that Uncensored thinks everyone works from scripted playbooks.

That's because you leftists do.

It's why every one of you says exactly the same lines on any given subject.

What really sad is that so many of you are programmed by Jon Stewart.

He's a ******* comedian...

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You mean the way you do with Christians, Conservatives, Republicans and such?



Besides, you lost the printout of the talking points from KOS.

Don't worry, you can download what you think from them again...

You're a liar. I don't do that. There is a big difference in people that are conservative and people that are ignorant and hateful and uninformed.

You have to understand that Uncensored thinks everyone works from scripted playbooks. He thinks it works for him...so others must be doing the same.

You do have a scripted playbook, fool it's called Alinski's rules for radical