Bin Laden is DEAD, thread from Hell

[Vast LWC]

I see a classic case of Wagging the Dog.

Obama has alot of catching up to do.

Oh give it a rest Mudwhistle.

Even the most cursory of Google searches will pull up dozens of high-profile Terrorist kills on Obama's watch.

A search for "members of Al Qaeda killed" for instance turned up the following links near the top of the list:

- Two leading members of al-Qaeda organisation killed in Shabwa province, Yemen

US drone attack kills al-Qaeda members in Yemen

Five Members of Al Qaeda Killed in Yemen | rohinews.com - The Daily News

Taliban, al Qaeda member killed in Afghanistan - CNN

Here's a picture of one of them now, though honestly, I'm too lazy to find more photos:

 

[Vast LWC]

That is an assumption you cannot make.

Nobody is saying exactly what was the one thing that led us to UBL, and claiming so would be a totally specious argument.

Those who support "enhanced interrogation" technics want to claim that we wouldn't have found him without them, while those who are against them want to prosecute the CIA and want to say it wasn't a factor. I know those methods played a part in the process.

Stop right there. You "know" this how, exactly?

Nobody in the know is saying otherwise.

The truth is various methods were used. Whatever it took, Waterboarding, sleep-deprivation, noise inducement, positive reinforcement, Satellite photos, HUMINT, all of it went into finding him. You cannot sit on your couch and say one way or another and you shouldn't attempt to do so just because the truth offends your sensibilities.

The truth is, you have no idea if waterboarding contributed at all. Your argument is just as much of "a totally specious argument" as claiming it played no part.

 

[Vast LWC]

Thanks to the ACLU and Democrats it has been deemed illegal.

After the fact they made sure it was illegal. So instead of telling everyone.....it still goes on, but torture is still being used, just not in the U.S..

It never was used in the United States by the Bush Administration btw. It was never used in GITMO ether.

It was illegal before and after the fact. No-one "made sure" torture "was illegal after the fact". There was no need. Torture is illegal in the US.

That's why the Japanese were tried by the US for it's use in WWII.

 

[mudwhistle]

Torture in the US is illegal-so if you're agreeing that waterboarding is torture, then you're also agreeing it's illegal. Right, or wrong-it's illegal.

I like how you're assuming I'm for or against the use of waterboarding-in other posts I've clearly said I'm not really sure if I'm for or against it. I haven't made up my mind yet, I certainly see the points of both sides.

Thanks to the ACLU and Democrats it has been deemed illegal.

After the fact they made sure it was illegal. So instead of telling everyone.....it still goes on, but torture is still being used, just not in the U.S..

It never was used in the United States by the Bush Administration btw. It was never used in GITMO ether.

Last time I checked the past Republican nominee for president was against using torture (specifically waterboarding).

If you're speaking of McCain, he can lick the sweat off my nut-sack.

He's a RHINO still acting as an example for the left that somebody is buying their BS.

 

[percysunshine]

If you don't think waterboarding is torture-go get waterboarded. I guarantee you wont last 20 seconds.

That's why it works.

Course they could just drive bamboo shoots up your fingernails, or shock your balls with some juice.

I'm trying to figure out how you idiots expect us to do anything in the war on terror if you keep handcuffing our people.

Damned powder-puff limp-wrist-ed hypocrites.

Torture in the US is illegal-so if you're agreeing that waterboarding is torture, then you're also agreeing it's illegal. Right, or wrong-it's illegal.

I like how you're assuming I'm for or against the use of waterboarding-in other posts I've clearly said I'm not really sure if I'm for or against it. I haven't made up my mind yet, I certainly see the points of both sides.

You haven't made up your mind yet? The issue is, like, 8 years old by now. Also, lots of things qualify as torture but are legal. Just try watching an episode of American Idol.

 

[Vast LWC]

If you're speaking of McCain, he can lick the sweat off my nut-sack.

He's a RHINO still acting as an example for the left that somebody is buying their BS.

You spelled "RINO" wrong, unless you're insinuating that McCain is a rhinoceros.

 

[JamesInFlorida]

That's why it works.

Course they could just drive bamboo shoots up your fingernails, or shock your balls with some juice.

I'm trying to figure out how you idiots expect us to do anything in the war on terror if you keep handcuffing our people.

Damned powder-puff limp-wrist-ed hypocrites.

Torture in the US is illegal-so if you're agreeing that waterboarding is torture, then you're also agreeing it's illegal. Right, or wrong-it's illegal.

I like how you're assuming I'm for or against the use of waterboarding-in other posts I've clearly said I'm not really sure if I'm for or against it. I haven't made up my mind yet, I certainly see the points of both sides.

You haven't made up your mind yet? The issue is, like, 8 years old by now. Also, lots of things qualify as torture but are legal. Just try watching an episode of American Idol.

American Idol is def. torture haha. But I haven't made up my mind for one simple reason: does the end justify the means? Well we're not at the end yet, are we? We don't know when this war will end, and under what circumstances. To pretend to know the full effects of torture, and it's results on the outcome of a war that's not anywhere near being over yet, would be inaccurate.

And my mind was was made up before rumbles that waterboarding in part led to Bin Laden getting killed. Before that-I was against it, now I'm not sure.

Just because you make a decision 8 years ago, doesn't mean you can't go back and evaluate it.

 

[mudwhistle]

As a former member of Special Ops, I guarantee that Obama is roundly disliked. And as a current DOD employee I see evidence of it every day. As a former team member I deeply resent when anyone who doesn't know military tactics attempts to take credit for something that I and other team members did for a living. Obama never went through what every single one of us went through to be in Special Operations. That's why we can't stand a braggart who doesn't know shit about it.

Those of us who know good leadership have long recognized what Obama is and what he stands for. This is merely a publicity campaign. Only the foolish or the misinformed will fall for it.

I compared Obama's visit Friday with Bush's last visit in Dec. of 08'. I can tell the difference. I didn't appreciate Obama's phony high-fiving at the start of his speech. He needs to show some humility. He also needs to stop being a hypocrite.

Obama spikes the football

One simple question: If this mission had gone bad, ala Black Hawk Down, who would you have blamed? Obama, or the Navy Seals.

Whether you like it or not, when an organization, in this case the military, does something monumental, the person in charge generally gets the credit.

There's a reason for that: It's because the person in charge also gets the blame when things go wrong.

So, since we can safely assume that you would in fact have blamed Obama if things went wrong... You must therefore give Obama credit when things go right. Otherwise you are a hypocrite, pure and simple.

And has Obama not congratulated and given credit to the special ops team members that completed the mission, as you claim?

That's funny because I seem to remember him saying something or other...

Obama Thanks SEALs, Troops Back From Afghanistan - ABC News

Obama thanks Navy SEALs who raided bin Laden

President Obama thanks Navy SEALs team that killed Osama Bin Laden

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuZzLAv88vE]YouTube - Obama thanks navy seals[/ame]

He also gave them the Presidential Unit Citation, the highest honor given to military units.

Yeah, Obama's not giving them any credit at all, is he?

Putting your obvious hyperbole aside, I want to bring this back into reality.

Obama has thanked the Seals in private, but in public he still is pounding his chest. I don't like his tone, and a real leader wouldn't be using this opportunity to political advantage.

He can't help taking credit for this and he can't help letting everyone give him more credit then he deserves. He has a reputation for taking credit for other people's work. I can site where he's done it numerous times. He tried to take credit for the Iraqi withdrawal Bush started during the last few months of his second term. He tried to talk Iraqi officials out of signing any agreements with Bush. We heard this from the Prime Minister himself.

I have a long memory.

 

[percysunshine]

Since this is the thread from hell, enjoy this one;

YouTube - StevenCrowder's Channel

 

[Rinata]

I've been reading lots of articles, blogs, and Op-Eds, since last Sunday. This is my favorite on the topic of some right wingers that refuse to give Obama any credit:

Let me begin by explaining why former President Bush does not deserve the "executive credit." None of us are privy to the inner-workings of the White House's fabled situation room. We can't be certain of how any President makes use of the intelligence gathered in the field, or what decisions they need to make leading up to an action like the one that took place last night. What we can do, however, is make educated guesses based on all of the other decisions a President makes. President Bush was brash, untactful, and quick to the draw. He preferred action over contemplation, ninety-nine out of a hundred times anyway, the old cowboy mentality of "shoot first, ask questions later" evident in nearly everything he did. So one could assume that when President Bush received intelligence reports on the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden, he impatiently charged in like Elmer Fudd, before a reasonable plan could be drawn or full intelligence could be gathered. I honestly don't believe Osama Bin Laden outfoxed the United States for all these years... I think he merely outfoxed our last President.

The comments we're hearing from some conservatives in regards to this event only highlight the same bias, the same refusal of credit, that we've seen from them since President Obama took office. They endorsed cap and trade until President Obama did the same. They stood behind Mitt Romney's health care plan, until it went national, becoming "Obamacare," even though it wasn't really what the President wanted, and neglecting all of the Republican concessions made in the legislation. And now, they're back-peddling on the killing of Osama Bin Laden, doing anything and everything they can to prevent the President from getting even a sliver of credit for a job well done. It's pitiful, pathetic, abhorrent, and otherwise disgusting. They should be ashamed of themselves. But we all know they aren't.

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[mudwhistle]

Torture in the US is illegal-so if you're agreeing that waterboarding is torture, then you're also agreeing it's illegal. Right, or wrong-it's illegal.

I like how you're assuming I'm for or against the use of waterboarding-in other posts I've clearly said I'm not really sure if I'm for or against it. I haven't made up my mind yet, I certainly see the points of both sides.

Thanks to the ACLU and Democrats it has been deemed illegal.

After the fact they made sure it was illegal. So instead of telling everyone.....it still goes on, but torture is still being used, just not in the U.S..

It never was used in the United States by the Bush Administration btw. It was never used in GITMO ether.

Last time I checked the past Republican nominee for president was against using torture (specifically waterboarding).

If you're speaking of McCain, he can lick the sweat off my nut-sack.

He's a RHINO still acting as an example for the left that somebody is buying their BS.

 

[BolshevikHunter]

This entire thing has become a circus side show. First there was a huge gun fight, but then there wasn't a gun fight at all. Then his wife charged the Seals, but no actually Osama used her as a shield and threw her towards them. Then they captured Osama, but no actually they just killed him. Then they shot him in the head, but then it was that they shot him in the eye. Now it's they shot him from the neck up. Then we had China report that Pakistani forces killed Osama, but then they retracted and said it actually was the U.S Seals. First Many body guards died in the battle, then Osama let them leave. But then only one body guard died in the battle. Now it turns out he wasn't a body Guard at all, he was a ******* milk man. Then The Whitehouse said they have nothing more to say about the operation, then they decide to release videos of Osama playing video games and claim it's the biggest intelligence find in war on terra history. At first we got a tip of his whereabouts from one of his associates, but now the CIA lived next door all along. They can't even get their lies right. ~BH

 

[mudwhistle]

I've been reading lots of articles, blogs, and Op-Eds, since last Sunday. This is my favorite on the topic of some right wingers that refuse to give Obama any credit:

Let me begin by explaining why former President Bush does not deserve the "executive credit." None of us are privy to the inner-workings of the White House's fabled situation room. We can't be certain of how any President makes use of the intelligence gathered in the field, or what decisions they need to make leading up to an action like the one that took place last night. What we can do, however, is make educated guesses based on all of the other decisions a President makes. President Bush was brash, untactful, and quick to the draw. He preferred action over contemplation, ninety-nine out of a hundred times anyway, the old cowboy mentality of "shoot first, ask questions later" evident in nearly everything he did. So one could assume that when President Bush received intelligence reports on the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden, he impatiently charged in like Elmer Fudd, before a reasonable plan could be drawn or full intelligence could be gathered. I honestly don't believe Osama Bin Laden outfoxed the United States for all these years... I think he merely outfoxed our last President.

The comments we're hearing from some conservatives in regards to this event only highlight the same bias, the same refusal of credit, that we've seen from them since President Obama took office. They endorsed cap and trade until President Obama did the same. They stood behind Mitt Romney's health care plan, until it went national, becoming "Obamacare," even though it wasn't really what the President wanted, and neglecting all of the Republican concessions made in the legislation. And now, they're back-peddling on the killing of Osama Bin Laden, doing anything and everything they can to prevent the President from getting even a sliver of credit for a job well done. It's pitiful, pathetic, abhorrent, and otherwise disgusting. They should be ashamed of themselves. But we all know they aren't.

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I think you need to STFU.

The biggest beef you assholes keep repeating is nobody wants to give him any credit. Well, cry me a fucken river.

The problem is that if we object to his victory lap it's the same as not giving him any credit.

Once again you're exaggerating.

I'm not going to repeat any congrats I've already given the trouser-snake.

I don't have to like him. Too fucken bad you don't like it.

 

[gautama]

I've been reading lots of articles, blogs, and Op-Eds, since last Sunday. This is my favorite on the topic of some right wingers that refuse to give Obama any credit:

Let me begin by explaining why former President Bush does not deserve the "executive credit." None of us are privy to the inner-workings of the White House's fabled situation room. We can't be certain of how any President makes use of the intelligence gathered in the field, or what decisions they need to make leading up to an action like the one that took place last night. What we can do, however, is make educated guesses based on all of the other decisions a President makes. President Bush was brash, untactful, and quick to the draw. He preferred action over contemplation, ninety-nine out of a hundred times anyway, the old cowboy mentality of "shoot first, ask questions later" evident in nearly everything he did. So one could assume that when President Bush received intelligence reports on the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden, he impatiently charged in like Elmer Fudd, before a reasonable plan could be drawn or full intelligence could be gathered. I honestly don't believe Osama Bin Laden outfoxed the United States for all these years... I think he merely outfoxed our last President.

The comments we're hearing from some conservatives in regards to this event only highlight the same bias, the same refusal of credit, that we've seen from them since President Obama took office. They endorsed cap and trade until President Obama did the same. They stood behind Mitt Romney's health care plan, until it went national, becoming "Obamacare," even though it wasn't really what the President wanted, and neglecting all of the Republican concessions made in the legislation. And now, they're back-peddling on the killing of Osama Bin Laden, doing anything and everything they can to prevent the President from getting even a sliver of credit for a job well done. It's pitiful, pathetic, abhorrent, and otherwise disgusting. They should be ashamed of themselves. But we all know they aren't.

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Rinata, you are an exposed Obamarrhoidal whackjob who really should be stait-jacketed and incarcerated in the nearest Looney bin.

You are beyond help.

 

[Rinata]

I've been reading lots of articles, blogs, and Op-Eds, since last Sunday. This is my favorite on the topic of some right wingers that refuse to give Obama any credit:

Let me begin by explaining why former President Bush does not deserve the "executive credit." None of us are privy to the inner-workings of the White House's fabled situation room. We can't be certain of how any President makes use of the intelligence gathered in the field, or what decisions they need to make leading up to an action like the one that took place last night. What we can do, however, is make educated guesses based on all of the other decisions a President makes. President Bush was brash, untactful, and quick to the draw. He preferred action over contemplation, ninety-nine out of a hundred times anyway, the old cowboy mentality of "shoot first, ask questions later" evident in nearly everything he did. So one could assume that when President Bush received intelligence reports on the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden, he impatiently charged in like Elmer Fudd, before a reasonable plan could be drawn or full intelligence could be gathered. I honestly don't believe Osama Bin Laden outfoxed the United States for all these years... I think he merely outfoxed our last President.

The comments we're hearing from some conservatives in regards to this event only highlight the same bias, the same refusal of credit, that we've seen from them since President Obama took office. They endorsed cap and trade until President Obama did the same. They stood behind Mitt Romney's health care plan, until it went national, becoming "Obamacare," even though it wasn't really what the President wanted, and neglecting all of the Republican concessions made in the legislation. And now, they're back-peddling on the killing of Osama Bin Laden, doing anything and everything they can to prevent the President from getting even a sliver of credit for a job well done. It's pitiful, pathetic, abhorrent, and otherwise disgusting. They should be ashamed of themselves. But we all know they aren't.

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I think you need to STFU.

The biggest beef you assholes keep repeating is nobody wants to give him any credit. Well, cry me a fucken river.

The problem is that if we object to his victory lap it's the same as not giving him any credit.

Once again you're exaggerating.

I'm not going to repeat any congrats I've already given the trouser-snake.

I don't have to like him. Too fucken bad you don't like it.

My, that made you so pissed off!!! The truth hurts, doesn't it?? Take it out on me all you want. But it changes nothing.

And I'll never shut up, okay?? I love to shove the truth down ignorant ass hole's throats, such as yourself. You can't stand the fact that Obama has been a more successful president in just 2 years than Bush was in eight. Tough. I hope it continues to just make you and your pals nuts. Because that's exactly what it's doing. And I'm enjoying every single minute.

 

[Rinata]

i've been reading lots of articles, blogs, and op-eds, since last sunday. This is my favorite on the topic of some right wingers that refuse to give obama any credit:

Let me begin by explaining why former president bush does not deserve the "executive credit." none of us are privy to the inner-workings of the white house's fabled situation room. We can't be certain of how any president makes use of the intelligence gathered in the field, or what decisions they need to make leading up to an action like the one that took place last night. What we can do, however, is make educated guesses based on all of the other decisions a president makes. President bush was brash, untactful, and quick to the draw. He preferred action over contemplation, ninety-nine out of a hundred times anyway, the old cowboy mentality of "shoot first, ask questions later" evident in nearly everything he did. So one could assume that when president bush received intelligence reports on the whereabouts of osama bin laden, he impatiently charged in like elmer fudd, before a reasonable plan could be drawn or full intelligence could be gathered. I honestly don't believe osama bin laden outfoxed the united states for all these years... I think he merely outfoxed our last president.

The comments we're hearing from some conservatives in regards to this event only highlight the same bias, the same refusal of credit, that we've seen from them since president obama took office. They endorsed cap and trade until president obama did the same. They stood behind mitt romney's health care plan, until it went national, becoming "obamacare," even though it wasn't really what the president wanted, and neglecting all of the republican concessions made in the legislation. And now, they're back-peddling on the killing of osama bin laden, doing anything and everything they can to prevent the president from getting even a sliver of credit for a job well done. It's pitiful, pathetic, abhorrent, and otherwise disgusting. They should be ashamed of themselves. But we all know they aren't.

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rinata, you are an exposed obamarrhoidal whackjob who really should be stait-jacketed and incarcerated in the nearest looney bin.

You are beyond help.

 

[Toro]

I've been reading lots of articles, blogs, and Op-Eds, since last Sunday. This is my favorite on the topic of some right wingers that refuse to give Obama any credit:

Let me begin by explaining why former President Bush does not deserve the "executive credit." None of us are privy to the inner-workings of the White House's fabled situation room. We can't be certain of how any President makes use of the intelligence gathered in the field, or what decisions they need to make leading up to an action like the one that took place last night. What we can do, however, is make educated guesses based on all of the other decisions a President makes. President Bush was brash, untactful, and quick to the draw. He preferred action over contemplation, ninety-nine out of a hundred times anyway, the old cowboy mentality of "shoot first, ask questions later" evident in nearly everything he did. So one could assume that when President Bush received intelligence reports on the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden, he impatiently charged in like Elmer Fudd, before a reasonable plan could be drawn or full intelligence could be gathered. I honestly don't believe Osama Bin Laden outfoxed the United States for all these years... I think he merely outfoxed our last President.

The comments we're hearing from some conservatives in regards to this event only highlight the same bias, the same refusal of credit, that we've seen from them since President Obama took office. They endorsed cap and trade until President Obama did the same. They stood behind Mitt Romney's health care plan, until it went national, becoming "Obamacare," even though it wasn't really what the President wanted, and neglecting all of the Republican concessions made in the legislation. And now, they're back-peddling on the killing of Osama Bin Laden, doing anything and everything they can to prevent the President from getting even a sliver of credit for a job well done. It's pitiful, pathetic, abhorrent, and otherwise disgusting. They should be ashamed of themselves. But we all know they aren't.

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Rinata, you are an exposed Obamarrhoidal whackjob who really should be stait-jacketed and incarcerated in the nearest Looney bin.

You are beyond help.

Is there room at your mental hospital? Are you looking for a roommate?

 

[Vast LWC]

Putting your obvious hyperbole aside, I want to bring this back into reality.

Obama has thanked the Seals in private, but in public he still is pounding his chest. I don't like his tone, and a real leader wouldn't be using this opportunity to political advantage.

He can't help taking credit for this and he can't help letting everyone give him more credit then he deserves. He has a reputation for taking credit for other people's work. I can site where he's done it numerous times. He tried to take credit for the Iraqi withdrawal Bush started during the last few months of his second term. He tried to talk Iraqi officials out of signing any agreements with Bush. We heard this from the Prime Minister himself.

I have a long memory.

Yeah. How much more public do you want than CNN?

I think that if you served in Special Ops, you know well why he can't thank the specific SEAL team, in person, in public.

And it's not "other people's work" that he's taking credit for. He is the commander in chief of the military, and was personally involved in this mission, a fact that you're happy to point out when making allusions to the "legality" of the mission, so it's HIS mission.

There were lots of people involved, especially the SEAL team in question, but the responsibility for win, or loss, lies with him, and therefore so does a good portion of the credit.

You can go on and on about what you think of his personality, but your case for him "taking all the credit" is lacking any basis, and is simply a right-wing smear campaign to attempt to lessen this victory.

 

[Vast LWC]

I think you need to STFU.

The biggest beef you assholes keep repeating is nobody wants to give him any credit. Well, cry me a fucken river.

The problem is that if we object to his victory lap it's the same as not giving him any credit.

Once again you're exaggerating.

I'm not going to repeat any congrats I've already given the trouser-snake.

I don't have to like him. Too fucken bad you don't like it.

LOL.

Obama didn't fly a jet onto an Aircraft Carrier and broadcast "Mission Accomplished" when the mission wasn't "accomplished" by far.

Talk about self-aggrandizement. That's the way your man dealt with "taking the credit". In comparison, the Obama reaction to a real victory has been quite muted.

 

[gautama]

The Mendacious Obamarrhoids like trained bugs are out doing their flea dance.

Well, 2012 is coming ....... and so are the ultimate bug exterminators ..... the rational voters of America.